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was shocked by the amount of bottle-feeders in hospital

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misdee · 27/02/2005 09:35

found it quite upsetting at times. my bed was by the empties 'bottle bank', so saw how many people on the ward were bottle feeding. in the 4 days i was there, there were 10 women on the ward in total, and only myself and another lady was breastfeeding. The midwives offered help to everyone, but most decided on bottles.

the reason i found it upsetting was because i didnt want dd3 to have formula but that choice was basically taken away from me whilst she was SCBU and was given formula by tube.

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MummytoSteven · 01/03/2005 14:18

right, thanks for that, will get off my backside, google it, and put it on here!

suedonim · 01/03/2005 14:27

Is this what you're looking for?

Breastfeeding your baby for even a day is the best baby gift you can give.

Breastfeeding is almost always the best choice for your baby. If it doesn't seem like the best choice for you right now, these guidelines may help.

IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR JUST A FEW DAYS, he will have received your colostrum, or early milk. By providing antibodies and the food his brand-new body expects, nursing gives your baby his first - and easiest "immunization" and helps get his digestive system going smoothly. Breastfeeding is how your baby expects to start, and helps your own body recover from the birth. Why not use your time in the hospital to prepare your baby for life through the gift of nursing?

IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR FOUR TO SIX WEEKS, you will have eased him through the most critical part of his infancy. Newborns who are not breastfed are much more likely to get sick or be hospitalized, and have many more digestive problems than breastfed babies. After 4 to 6 weeks, you'll probably have worked through any early nursing concerns, too. Make a serious goal of nursing for a month, call La Leche League or a LactationConsultant if you have any questions, and you'll be in a better position to decide whether continued breastfeeding is for you.

IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR 3 OR 4 MONTHS, her digestive system will have matured a great deal, and she will be much better able to tolerate the foreign substances in commercial formulas. If there is a family history of allergies, though, you will greatly reduce her risk by waiting a few more months before adding anything at all to her diet of breastmilk. And giving nothing but your milk for the first four months gives strong protection against ear infections for a whole year.

IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR 6 MONTHS, she will be much less likely to suffer an allergic reaction to formula or other foods; the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends waiting until about 6 months to offer solid foods.Nursing for at least 6 months helps ensure better health throughout your baby's first year of life, and reduces your own risk of breast cancer.Nursing for 6 months or more may greatly reduce your little one's risk of ear infections and childhood cancers. And exclusive, frequent breastfeeding during the first 6 months, if your periods have not returned, provides 98% effective contraception.

IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR 9 MONTHS, you will have seen him through the fastest and most important brain and body development of his life on the food that was designed for him - your milk. Nursing for at least this long will help ensure better performance all through his school years. Weaning may be fairly easy at this age... but then, so is nursing! If you want to avoid weaning this early, be sure you've been available to nurse for comfort as well as just for food.

IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR A YEAR, you can avoid the expense and bother of formula. Her one-year-old body can probably handle most of the table foods your family enjoys. Many of the health benefits this year of nursing has given your child will last her whole life. She will have a stronger immune system, for instance, and will be much less likely to need orthodontia or speech therapy. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends nursing for at least a year, to help ensure normal nutrition and health for your baby.

IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR 18 MONTHS, you will have continued to provide your baby's normal nutrition and protection against illness at a time when illness is common in other babies. Your baby is probably well started on table foods, too. He has had time to form a solid bond with you - a healthy starting point for his growing independence. And he is old enough that you and he can work together on the weaning process, at a pace that he can handle. A former U.S. Surgeon General said, "it is the lucky baby... that nurses to age two."

IF YOUR CHILD WEANS WHEN SHE IS READY, you can feel confident that you have met your baby's physical and emotional needs in a very normal, healthy way. In cultures where there is no pressure to wean, children tend to nurse for at least two years. The World Health Organization and UNICEF strongly encourage breastfeeding through toddlerhood: "Breastmilk is an Important Source of energy and protein, and helps to protect against disease during the child's second year of life." Our biology seems geared to a weaning age of between 2 1/2 and 7 years, and it just makes sense to build our children's bones from the milk that was designed to build them. Your milk provides antibodies and other protective substances as long as you continue nursing, and families of nursing toddlers often find that their medical bills are lower than their neighbors' for years to come. Mothers who have nursed longterm have a still lower risk of developing breast cancer. Children who were nursed longterm tend to be very secure, and are less likely to suck their thumbs or carry a blanket. Nursing can help ease both of you through the tears, tantrums, and tumbles that come with early childhood, and helps ensure that any illnesses are milder and easier to deal with. It's an all-purpose mothering tool you won't want to be without! Don't worry that your child will nurse forever. All children stop eventually, no matter what you do, and there are more nursing toddlers around than you might guess.

WHETHER YOU NURSE FOR A DAY OR FOR SEVERAL YEARS, the decision to nurse your child is one you need never regret. And whenever weaning takes place, remember that it is a big step for both of you. If you choose to wean before your child is ready, be sure to do it gradually, and with love.

(c)1997 Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC 136 Ellis Hollow Creek Road Ithaca, NY 14850

norash40 · 01/03/2005 14:36

My Mum had 4 of us. None of us wanted to breastfeed longer than 3 months (maybe there was not enough milk) and we all turned out fine.

Prettybird · 01/03/2005 14:45

Eulalia's post is very well put (which reminds me - it was Eulalia's articulate arguments about breast feeding that converted me from Babyworld to Mumsnet nearly 4 years ago! ).

Coming from Glasgow, it saddens me that such a high proportion of mothers don't even consider breastfeeding. I know that the research here has shown it to be heavily post code related - the poorer areas are the areas where people tend not to b/f. it saddesn me because to me it seems to be such an "easy" way of giving a child a "better" start in life - one that not only doesn't cost, but will also save money.

(.... and I am speaking as someone who really struggled with b/f in the first months - so I don't have rose tinted spectacles).

moondog · 01/03/2005 18:45

Legalbegle
You suggested that we avoid each other. Subsequent posts indicate however that you would like a reply, thus I will indulge you.

If you cast your mind back, you will recall that you in fact began to make abusive comments. You referred to me as a 'bore' who spoke 'inflammatory nonsense.'
Now, I'm a big girl and can take this (laughed in fact) but if someone attacks me I will defend myself with the same vigour. I am not generally aggressive. Most of my MN posts deal with anodyne matters such as effective bathroom cleaners and chickpea recipes but I will not take your offerings lying down (to continue the canine analogy.)
What goes around comes around.

Your name is a joke you say? Has it ever occured to you that some of my posts are not all together serious? I send myself up as a hairy armpitted macrobiotic earth mother as that is how some perceive me (both in RL and on MN). It is not strictly accurate (says she clad in top to toe Boden, firmly esconced in a brand new house with the Daily Telegraph at my elbow) but it amuses me and,I dare say, one or two others.

I am well aware of misdee's ability to conduct her own discussions but the point of Internet forums is that we are able to listen to and comment on a variety of discussions. That is the whole point. I merely found it odd that you appeared unable to differentiate between opinion and fact.

Finally, I am mystified as to why you think my comment on your use of (amongst others) the word 'terribly' allows me to draw conclusions about your socio-economic status. Que?
I was commenting on your syntax, not your semantics.

Apologies to everyone else. I trust the discussion may now revert to its original purpose. It is as usual fascinating to hear the opinions of the various camps.

Invariably, certain bottlefeeders seem convinced that the pride and joy that breastfeeders feel on a job well done is little more than a thinly veiled attack on the 'inadequacies' of bottle feeders. This is difficult to comprehend. Do people think that other mothers could be so conniving and unpleasant?! The phrase 'Don't flatter yourself springs to mind'.

Someone (leglebegle?) rather aggressively enquired whether statistics released to highlight yet another benefit of breastfeeding were the work of the La Leche League.

Our dastardly secret is out! The La Leche League is a sinister front for an organisation which exists for no other reason than to harangue and persecute bottle feeders!

tiktok · 01/03/2005 19:01

suedonim - thanks This also explains why nothing came up when I searched with the word breastfeeding, as the US author taks about 'nursing'.

emkana · 01/03/2005 19:25

Eulalia - excellent post as usual.

Moondog - pmsl.

karaj · 01/03/2005 19:43

Judging from the posts just below this, (my post is now probably quite irrelevant to the discussion), but just adding this note to back up my point earlier that bottlefeeding may be dangerous even in the industrialised world and why I think breast milk matters :

This is from Baby Milk Action (any one seriously interested in breastfeeding should join and support this UK group who campaign against the unethical practices of formula companies - I am a member):

"EU scientists say no to powdered milk for babies under 4 weeks - The European Food Standards Agency (EFSA) issued a press release on 18 November (2004), warning of the risks of contamination from Enterobacter sakazakii and Salmonella in powdered infant formula.

The EFSA is responsible for risk assessment but has nevertheless made several dramatic management recommendations, including that all babies under 4 weeks not breastfed should be fed liquid ready-to-feed milk and that afterwards powdered formula should be reconstituted with water at 70 degrees C. We are asking why it failed to mention the need for warnings on labels and why the report was not made available for the two Codex meetings in November, where decisions were delayed again because of ‘lack of information.’

We are also asking the UK Government if ready-to-feed milks will be available on welfare schemes.

We have been calling for warnings on labels since March 2002, following the death of a 5-day-old Belgian baby because of contamination from Enterobacter sakazakii. The implications of this issue in the developing world are even more serious. "

prunegirl · 01/03/2005 20:10

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lucykatie · 01/03/2005 22:15

hold on a minute....who are you to judge anyone and how they feed their kids.

what if these women could not breast feed?

i bottle fed both of my dd and the reason....because i wanted too, nothing medical just my choice and my business.
it really touches a nerve with me....like its anyones business what you feed your kids on.....by the way what do you eat?...oh yeah none of my business eh?

lucykatie · 01/03/2005 22:19

and just to add, some of you people on here are really making others feel like crap, what if someone has had both boobs off due to cancer....are they then failing to give their kids a good start in life just because they could not breast feed?

i really hate mothers who judge other mothers....god we have so much in common at the end of the day.....MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

moondog · 01/03/2005 22:25

Errr lucykatie, if you had bothered to read the thread you would quickly grasp that even the MOST breast feeding obsessed person in the world really doesn't worry or care how you choose to feed your child.
As for your boobless woman example...if it wasn't so simplistic it would actually be quite funny.
(Come to think of it, it is actually VERY funny..)

FairyMum · 01/03/2005 22:28

I think that's a good example. Women without boobs should of course bf. I am glad you brought it up!

wanda · 01/03/2005 22:28

Can I suggest a meet up for this thread?

moondog · 01/03/2005 22:31

Fairymum!! You're becoming as mischievous as me!
Wanda,I'll come! Will there be discounts on drinks for women with one/no boobs?

lucykatie · 01/03/2005 22:32

OH REALLY REALLY FUNNY ....NOT SO IF YOU ARE THAT PERSON EH? YOU KNOE EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN.

I DID READ THIS THREAD FOR YOUR INFORMATION AND YES I STILL STICK TO MY WORD....YOU LOT CAN SOMETIMES BE SO HORRIBLE.....

wanda · 01/03/2005 22:33

Who will be in the Blue Corner?

lucykatie · 01/03/2005 22:34

MOONDOG YOU ARE A SELFISH WOMAN WITH NO RESPECT FOR OTHERS....YOU CLEARLY DO NOT KNOW ANYONE WITH A SERIOUS ILLNESS.

YOU ARE A HORRIBLE PERSON.....ENJOY YOUR DRINK....OH AND WATCH YOU DONT CHOKE ON IT!!!!!!!!!!!

wanda · 01/03/2005 22:34

It would be just such a great opportunity to get so many like minded women together.

lilsmum · 01/03/2005 22:36

moondog, why have you got such a bad attitude problem? there really is no need to be so horrible is there??????

lucykatie · 01/03/2005 22:37

HOORAY FOR LILSMUM.....ABOUT TIME SOMEONE ELSE SAID SOMETHING.

snafu · 01/03/2005 22:38

Oh fgs.

Lucykatie, calm down and stop shouting, please. If you want to have a genuine discussion about this can I suggest you turn your rant lock off?

HunkerMunker · 01/03/2005 22:40

LOL at rant lock

lucykatie · 01/03/2005 22:42

SORRY SNAFU....rant lock off but i am raging at the moment.....

snafu · 01/03/2005 22:44

But are you seriously suggesting that anyone on this thread would have a problem with a woman who had had a double mastectomy not breastfeeding? Seriously?