What do we think of Kirstie Allsopp's link with SMA?

[hunkermunker]

I am slightly less than utterly unimpressed You?

And yes, of course, it's her decision, yada-yada, but what a shit decision it was.

Kirstie, I knock walls down in your general direction.

What are you talking about Dottoressa? Do you imaging Tiktok is really a clock?

Yes indeedy, ExterminAitch! What's more, I'm the real McCoy (i.e. not a medical one).

Personally, I lied about bf to stop the hv badgering me. I told her that bf was all going marvellously well, then cracked the Cow and Gate open shortly after her departure...

imagine

oh v clever dottoressa

what do you do for an encore?

Do you mean she isn't a clock? Wilf, you are shattering all my illusions.

now this is a definite

Thank God we can agree then,ExterminAitch!
Am sticking to less contentious threads in Style from now on!

that sounds like a choice to me, you lucky thing. seriously. but there are thousands of us who wanted to bf and couldn't/didn't get the support etc and who had no such choice.

what influenced you to buy C&G, btw?

Juggling?

Sorry - this is all a bit silly. I just don't see why Kirstie shouldn't be allowed to advertise whatever she likes without other people getting pious about it, whether it be SMA or the Conservative party.

ST, no, i'm sure as a paed nursse you'll have a lot to contribute on here. it's such a shame when women get themselves into twists about bfing (speaking as one who did) but it's mostly resolvable If Only They Had Good Post-natal Care...

and by the same token, Dottore, if she puts her name to something poxy we have every right to think less of her for it.

Dottoressa, it's all explained on this thread

C&G - um, the fact that they stocked it in my local Safeway, so we could walk to get supplies.

But it is also true that I was screaming in agony after trying (and failing) to bf my first child and being told that he wasn't properly latched on (yes, I knew he wasn't!!!) After two weeks of that, I did then make the choice not to continue, and chose not to do it at all with DD (though did express milk for bottles for the first couple of weeks). So I'm not quite as glib as it may appear...

I already told her that SPB, but she ain't listening...

the Conservative Party?

Now I am really offended.

Exterm - it does depend on your definition of poxy. But yes, if you consider formula to be poxy, you do of course have every right to think less of her...

isn't that an extraordinary way to make a decision about the only thing you're going to feed your child for the first precious months of their lives? (despite being by far the most sensible reasoning, of course).

i take it you put more thinking into your car seat? maybe read a which report? would that there could be such a thing for formula... [dreamy]

sorry that you had such shite support, Dottore, it's a shame.

yep, i think that i'd have to be pretty skint to endorse formula, and she isn't. it is a lifesaver, but it's poxy compared to what should be on tap, with proper support. it just is.

Thank you, SPB. Wilf - the problem is that you just didn't make the same point quite so politely.

I fear I don't do sensible thinking (I chose DS's school because the green uniform suited his colouring). Ah well!

(And what's wrong with the Conservative party? Anything that gave us Mr Dreamy, Michael Portillo, should be celebrated...)

They must be feeling the pinch of more crediable mothers like Charlotte Church!!!

The issue isn't whether individuals choose formula or not. It's about how it's marketed and what independent information is available so that parents can make an informed decision.

In the formula v breastfed debate, there is no question as far as content. Breastmilk wins hands down. Why people may need to use formula is a personal decision, and in my opinion a private one.

(no idea who Mr Dreamy is.)

oops, that will teach me not to notice that a thread is 3 not 1 page long.

well mine's got 11 pages...?

(Wilf - I thought you were a woman, too )

Nancy - you don't need to worry about what I say in classes. We don't really talk about the way formula is marketed. As a result, there is no problem with people telling me and the rest of the class that it is fine to advertise it because any suggestion that this form of marketing should stop makes women feel like 'criminals' or 'lepers'.

ST - I despair when a paediatric nurse, who says she helps women breastfeed (and I believe your sincerity here), says the flipside of 'the breastfeeding coin' is that formula is the devil's milk.

Who is saying this?

In my experience, the only people who make this and similar points are people who are denigrating breastfeeding support - I have never heard anyone involved in breastfeeding support make this sort of nasty, hurtful comment.

We should not be afraid of outlining the health impact on infants of using formula, for fear people will accuse us of using horrible descriptions, which can only be hurtful i) to the many people trying to help women get the bf experience they planned and ii) to women who use formula.

Cor, did this kick off then?

Whoda thunk?

Amazing there are still people on MN who don't know that wanting formula advertising banned isn't the same as thinking formula's evil or that women who feed their babies formula are criminals (fgs - that's a new one, even on me).

The clue is in the emphasis on the word advertising, you see?