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Infant feeding

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Were you formula fed as a baby?

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Janni · 01/04/2008 21:55

Do you believe you would be healthier or more intelligent had you been breastfed?

Do you believe you were disadvantaged in any other way by being formula fed?

I was not breastfed.

I breastfed my own children for 20 months.

I realise though that I do not feel in any way disadvantaged for not having been breastfed myself.

I just wondered how others felt.

OP posts:
naturelover · 02/04/2008 09:13

Me and my siblings were all formula fed (in the 70s). My mum smoked during pregnancy. We were big robust babies, hardly ever ill, no allergies. All healthy, slim adults with a few degrees between us as well. I don't judge my mother for formula feeding, she had no encouragement to breastfeed and honestly didn't know there was much difference between breast milk and formula.

I think she found it hard to understand why I was "giving myself such a hard time" in the early days trying to get bf established. I've tried to be tactful about my strong desire to breastfeed, since clearly we turned out ok on formula!

LilyMunster · 02/04/2008 09:19

weird question.

none of us can turn the clock back.

the health benefits and risks of either feeding method are what they are.

what on earth is this thread question supposed to prove? Confused

MrsBadger · 02/04/2008 09:20

I was exclusively bf for 5m and then with solids till a year, and wouldn't take a bottle, even of ebm.
I am intelligent () and healthy and fine.

My mother decided she wasn't going through the bottle-refusal thing again and introduced formula to my little sister very early on in the hopes of getting her used to it.
Dsis had a series of stomach bugs that culminated in a stay in Great Ormond Street on IV antibs and fluids, during which time my mother's supply had dwindled past saving, and left Dsis unable to digest cows' milk and stuck on soy formula.
She has eczema, asthma, hayfever, a bunch of allergies and what would now be called ADHD exacerbated by E numbers and other food additives. She still has a minor milk intolerance and a generally screwed-up attitude to food and her weight (but then so does my mother, so I'm probably the exception to have missed out on this).

She is much, much cleverer than me though, and has the salary to prove it (grr).

StealthPolarBear · 02/04/2008 09:25

caz I had no idea you had had such a hard time trying to feed your LO I hope your mum was doing it with good intentions but
What does she say about it now?

blueshoes · 02/04/2008 09:28

lilymunster: "what on earth is this thread question supposed to prove? Confused"

Totally agree. If having been formula-fed has stunted my intelligence, how can I possibly have enough brain cells to even come up with a plausible answer to OP's question?

Big Tip: Discount the responses of all ff-ed mnetters. They don't have a clue what they are on about!

MrsTittleMouse · 02/04/2008 09:29

I was BF at first, and then the MW told my Mum to supplement with FM as I was a greedy little porker. Of course, it was such a faff for my Mum and she ended up with the worst of both worlds, and she FF me exclusively after that because she thought that she didn't have enough milk. I've not done too badly though.
When my DB was born, she BF him exclusively, but he was a bit more reasonable in his demands I think! I'm actually really impressed with her that she managed to BF at all, as after the birth she was given a sleeping pill and we were whisked off to the nursery and given bottles. Not the best start to establish BF.
I BF my DD for 10 months and my parents were really impressed that I kept up as DD was as greedy as me. It was exhausting. My (mad) grandmother was very anti-BFing though, and kept telling me that my milk was not strong enough/too strong depending on the problems that she thought I was having. I kept well away from her anyway, as she is a bit too interested in everyone else's breasts/sex life/contraception.

kiskideesameanoldmother · 02/04/2008 09:30

I was bf for a time but dont' know how long for and then put on formula. I am skinny but think I inherited my body type from a grandmother as I also eat more than my size would lead you to believe. I understand that as a baby I cried alot. As an adult, cow's milk gives me stomach ache. I wonder if the two were connected. I can only imagine that having 2 under 5's plus a constantly crying baby must have wreaked havoc with my mother's mind. Whether the fact that I haven't spoken to my mum for nearly 3 yrs may or may not have anything to do with attachment issues I may have formed early on.

I am fairly intelligent and don't suffer any of the usual problems associated with ff.

Dh was ff from birth, he has a lot of weight problems and high blood pressure even though he exercises a lot more than I do and has always done so, eats no more than I do - I have a huge appetite for my size. He suffered dreadful eczema well into his childhood and still gets breakouts on his arms and legs.

Dd had some formula early on in hospital because the midwives were crap at supporting me with a nonlatching then jaundiced baby. She has tested positive for cow's milk and egg allergies since and also now suffers eczema and some asthma.

To me all this is neither here or there. MN is not representative of the demographics of the UK. 70% of MNers I think, have completed university so yes, a lot of us have been ff. Would it be any more representative if I went to a sink estate in a large city and ask the same question as the OP? No and it would be unfair to do so. Some people would rightly stand up and shout 'foul!' and they would be correct.

Many of us will thrive inspite of the fact that formula is not ideal foods for a baby. The human body is nothing if not amazingly resilient.

to say that formula is much better now than it was 20, 30, or even 40 yrs ago shows a lack of understanding of formula and the process of making it. It is not a sophisticated product. Indeed a lot of the 'developments' that the companies would like us to believe have been made in the last 10 yrs have not been proven to be beneficial. All they have to prove to food standards agencies is that they are not harmful to the health.

MaloryTowers · 02/04/2008 09:31

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princessosyth · 02/04/2008 09:32

I was ff, I do not have any allergies. I don't believe that I would have been any healthier or more intelligent if I had been bf.

You can't rely on anecdotal evidence though, if that were the case then I know loads of people who wouldn't bf as amongst my friends and family it is actually the bf babies who have been more sickly.

You can't ignore the research though as I am sure it has been carried out a much larger group than the Osyth clan of 40 or so! I have noticed that the bf babies/children in my group of families and friends are slimmer and seem to have smaller appetites than their ff counterparts, this really concerns me and would definitely encourage me to bf next time round. For me I think the obesity issues are key I have read so much research that suggests that ff babies are more likely to become obese adults. I don't buy the whole intelligence theory though, I haven't seen enough research to convince me of that.

MrsTittleMouse · 02/04/2008 09:32

I think that this thread is interesting though, as it shows how the push for FFing in the 60s and 70s is still effecting us all today.

yurt1 · 02/04/2008 09:34

Do you believe you would be healthier or more intelligent had you been breastfed? Only had 2 childhood illnesses - rubella and measles. Was fine with both. Developed chickenpox immunity without catching it. Have Oxford degree and am doing 2nd PhD. Think academic intelligence is over-rated.

Do you believe you were disadvantaged in any other way by being formula fed? No.

DS1 was breastfed for 13 months

DS2 was breastfed for over 2 years

DS3 was breastfed for a few weeks.

DS2 is prone to coughs etc. Did take him ages to catch chickenpox which I put down to breastfeeding. DS1 and DS3 have eczema. DS1's started a few weeks old (right after first baby jabs). DS3's started around 2 (not vaccinated). DS1 and DS3 have the same gut problems (which breastfeeding should protect against to some extent). DS1 is severely autistic. DS2 and Ds3 aren't.

It's one factor amongst many others.

Ledodgy · 02/04/2008 09:35

I was bottlefed as I came early and refused to latch on. I don't feel disadvantaged i'm as healthy as the next person, and I have a 2:1 degree and would have got a first if i'd partied less and studied more.

Mil has had 6 children only one was breast fed and she's the only one who has ever been overweight, the one who catches the most illnesses and the only one who has allergies sometimes there are exceptions to the rule as mil says 'Bloody typical!'

trishpops · 02/04/2008 09:39

don't think the OP was trying to 'prove' anything. i've found this thread v interesting to read TBH. for me it has reinforced the opinion that i already had which is that breastfeeding is great and formula is great too - formula is not heroin FFS.
i was BF for 4 months then FF. mum smoked at least 20 a day during her pregnancy with me and i was 8lb 13oz. no asthma, allergies but a little overweight now, although that didn't develop till i was in twenties. if a uni qualification is a sign of intelligence then i'm intelligent.

Sabire · 02/04/2008 09:44

You know I find this thread a bit depressing - given that these responses are mostly from women who are graduates.

It really drives home for me the true degree of misunderstanding about research into breastfeeding.

The comments about being intelligent, despite not being breastfed as a baby (oh the irony!) If anyone here had actually read the research and not just relied on reports of it that they'd stumbled across in their copy of the Daily Mail they'd know that it seems to show that for the majority of the population (because not everyone is genetically 'programmed' to benefit from the IQ boosting powers of breastmilk) being breastfed gives approximately 6 additional IQ points. That means it gives you a slight extra 'edge' in IQ terms over what you would have had, had you not been breastfed. In other words - it won't make someone who's intrinsically thick, bright.

Can we be logical about this for a minute? Is the IQ boost that comes with breastfeeding something you as an individual could perceive? Of course not - unless you could live your entire life again in exactly the same way, with the single difference of how you were fed as an infant. And probably not then either - unless you had your IQ formally tested and could compare test results.

As for all the other things...... The vast majority of adults in their 30's and 40's in this country describe their health as 'good' despite the fact that many actually have very unhealthy lifestyles, and despite the fact that approximately a fifth were exposed to cigarette smoking in the womb. Does this mean that prenatal smoking, poor diets and lack of exercise don't have a signficant impact on health?

And would six months of exclusive breastfeeding have given you better health in childhood and adulthood? Yes. You would have a different distribution of body fat. Your IQ would be slightly higher, your blood pressure slightly lower, your arteries slightly less stiff. As a child you would have been likely to have had fewer trivial infections and doctors appoinments (although the likelyhood is you still would have had some). Would you be able to perceive this benefit as an individual? No - no more than you'd be able to see or feel the benefits of having an optimal diet in childhood (which many of us have not had).

We all know that a large minority of children in this country are being raised on diets high in saturated fat and refined carbohydrates and low in fresh fruit and vegetables. I challenge ANYONE to identify which children have these diets based on an examination of their individual health records. Does that mean that these children wouldn't benefit from a balanced diet? Of course it doesn't? That's the whole point of doing research using large samples and strict controls. Without this research we wouldn't have known that smoking in pregnancy is bad - doctors used to even recommend it to women because the health affects on babies weren't noticable to the individual. Yes some babies of smokers were born with low birthweights, but there can be so many reasons for this - not just smoking. The majority of babies born to smokers are seem perfectly healthy, although research tells us that smoking, particularly in early pregnancy DOES damage fetuses.

Diseases such as coeliac, crohns and diabetes, which have been linked to a lack of breastfeeding are actually not very common and in any case, once again there's no simple cause and affect mechanism at play that would make it possible for us as individuals to identify the role of infant feeding in the development of these illnesses - hence the need for large scale research with proper controls.

I also think that someone needs to point out that when you look at the research that shows significant differences between the health of populations of ff and bf the really striking differences, particularly when it comes to things like gastric illness and respitory infections, are between EXCLUSIVELY breastfed babies and formula fed babies. Now only a tiny minority of bf babies in the UK today are TRULY exclusively breastfed - ie, no formula at all, from birth. And if that's true of babies today it must have been an even smaller minority of babies who were exclusively breastfed in the 1960's, 70's and 80's. Those of us born in those decades were also much more likely to have been weaned onto solids before 12 weeks as well - something that's also implicated in the development of diabetes, coeliac and crohns disease, as well as respitory illness, diarrheoa and obesity.

So basically, in a very long winded way the point I'm trying to make is that threads like this are COMPLETELY pointless and tell us NOTHING. In fact - they tell us less than nothing because they distort our understanding of the true complexity of the relationship between infant nutrition and child and adult health.

uptomyeyes · 02/04/2008 09:44

I was FF. My mum was given a pill to dry up her milk. Women on the maternity ward were allowed 4 cigarettes per day, which they could smoke on the ward, but not when the Dr was doing his rounds, and a bottle of guinness to boost their iron levels!

They were given e full sterilising kit, bottles and teats and free packs of Ostermilk powder! no pressure then.

francagoestohollywood · 02/04/2008 09:48

I was breastfed for a week only, then my mum gave up and started to bottlefeed me (typical in the 1970s, in Italy).
I think I'm quite clever. No allergies, no asthma, I was quite a healthy child.
I breastfed ds for 10-11 months (can't remember exactly) and dd for 7 months (had to quit to take medication). No allergies, no asthma, at least for now.

Janni · 02/04/2008 09:48

Thanks for all your interesting answers.

My mum didn't even try to breastfeed me - her mother had fed 10 children and my mum wanted to do things the 'modern' way !!

I am very pro-breastfeeding but I think this thread provides some much needed balance. I hate it when mums who can't establish or maintain breastfeeding feel like failures - that's no good for anyone.

It's great how the smoking culture has changed since we were babies!

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scorpio1 · 02/04/2008 09:51

I was breastfed for a few days, until my mums nipples started bleeding and she hurt too much.

I think i am perfectly intelligent enough

I have never breastfed; i often wonder if its becuase i know Mum didn't and looked to her to shape my own baby-raising? I remember asking her when i ws first pg (age 16) and she told me she FF, so i just followed suit, and the second time with ds2 i just FF because it 'worked' first time.

I am now pg with db3 due any day and really want to try even just a feed, to see what its like. I told Mum and she was so proud, so she is not against it, just found it hard with no support i think.

scorpio1 · 02/04/2008 09:52

Also have no asthma, excezma or allergies, neither do my DC.

Aitch · 02/04/2008 09:53

i was ff, my brother and sisters were bf.

i have high bp, a tendency to be porky if i don't watch it, kidney and heart issues which are a pita.

my bf sis, otoh, has asthma and exzema but the other two who were bf have nothing whatsoever.

mind you, i was also weaned onto baby porridge at 2 weeks by the helpful midwives...

suey2 · 02/04/2008 09:57

BF (1970), but this was against convention at the time and my mum was seen as being a bit of a nutter- she BF all 4 of us (i was the 4th)

madamez · 02/04/2008 09:58

This is another one of thsoe stupid-people-and-risk-perception subjects.
it's better for a baby to be BF as long as BF is successfully established and the mother is happy to do it. But there isn't that much difference. FF babies don't all explode or grow up to be Tories. There's a contemporary tendency among the stupid to look for a blame factor in everything, and for every minor deviation from the herd to be somehow medicalised - actually, the tendency to blame everything on something the mother did either while PG or when the person was an infant is age-old. ANd has always been stupid.

francagoestohollywood · 02/04/2008 10:00

lol I agree with the tendency to blame mothers when pg etc

Sabire · 02/04/2008 10:02

"I think this thread provides some much needed balance"

So shall we start a thread for all the people whose mums smoked in the womb, in which they all say how it hasn't had any effect on them?

It'll give much needed balance to all the women who can't give up smoking who feel really guilty about it.

jackeybauer · 02/04/2008 10:05

I actually can totally see the point of this thread.

Amid all of the science and research surrounding the benefits of breastfeeding, this thread shows those mothers who are feeling guilty at being unable (for whatever reason) to give their children this benefit that it really isn't the end of the world. Not to say this thread is denying the reality of the health benefits but it is showing that ff babies do still turn out to be fully functioning adults!!

When you are struggling with bfeeding it becomes the biggest issue in the whole world and if it doesn't work you can become consumed with guilt that your child will be irreparably damaged and disadvantaged as a result of something out of your control - a really horrible feeling. A feeling that made me spend the first few weeks/months of ds' life being horribly depressed...

Anyway.... I was bf for a few months and then fed on cows milk and weaned early. I had no child hood illnesses, am a healthy adult with a degree and in the middle of a phd.

My brother was the same except fed on carnation milk . He has allergies but is otherwise healthy and is a nurse with a degree and MSc.

We both tend towards being on the upper end of the normal weight range.