why does j lo just get a wet nurse? if she doesn't want to bf?

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if i had all her money and i didnt want to thats what id do, at least for a few months anyway.

Sabire - I suspect you are not winning friends and influencing people with your tone...

Look at my face....

am I bovvered.... ?

who really cares what she does?She is hardly going to givwe an interview and say i want to keep my perky mtv tits for my videos so I have resorted to the bottle

I don't think she is trying to Madonna.

I think she is trying to provide people with statistics.

Question for the 2011 census perhaps?

10,000 women is massive? How many women live in this country? What percentage of that is 10,000?

JodieG1 - it doesn't matter how big the survey is - as long as it's representative!

Well, sample size does matter. But 10 000 is a pretty good sample size.

maybe she doesn't know she can hire a woman who will express milk for her twins to drink? i certainly didn't know you could!

Agree with expats first post ++++!!

Shocking sabire, how judgemental and why on earth (i cannot understand for the bloody life of me) do people care how other people feed their bloody kids!!

Oh and agree with chocpeanut! WEt nurse? Jesus Christ! How insulting!Maybe she just doesnt want to bf ! Some MNetters cant accept that!

I'll wet nurse for J-lo

Just thing of the hourly rate I could charge for sitting on my arse...no shortage of the good stuff here.

I seriously thought of wet nursing, or selling some on the internet as I was a gusher

I decided not to incase it wasn't bought for just babies...

By Sabire on Mon 31-Mar-08 23:07:27
"but like most surveys it only asks "some" people."

Yes - it asked 10 000 women

and the statisticians who designed it and worked out how it was going to be distributed and collected in would have gone to very great lengths to ensure that the sample was representative of the population as a whole, in so far as it's possible to do so.

Good grief woman what were you expecting? That they ask every single woman in the entire country?

Roll on the day when they introduce research literacy as a topic in PSHE in schools......

wow talk abou up your own arse.
you quoted these findinga as proof.
they just proove what the sampled people did/do or what ever.
so imo just the same as any other survey....crap.

2shoes - I appreciate it probably comes as news to you that there there is a connection between social class/age/nationality and likelyhood of initiating breastfeeding, but the connection is common knowledge among health professionals who've studied this subject at university level.

Every single midwifery textbook on infant feeding acknowledges this fact.

Not dissing you for you not knowing this BTW - unless you've studied infant feeding as an academic subject or you're involved in working with new mothers in a professional capacity you're not that likely to have come across this information. (although that said there are many women on this board who I suspect have done neither of these things who are really well informed about the social context of women's feeding decisions anyway)

CarmenElectra - I don't think you understand that people who care about infant feeding see it as an important child and public health issue. In other words - they see it as being about more than a lifestyle choice for mothers. They're interested in the sort of information and messages that women are given about formula and breastmilk, and in the sort of support that's given to women who want to breastfeed.

I do wish you'd stop slagging off the motives of those of us who want to discuss the ins and outs of this subject. It really ISN'T about making moral judgements about other people's feeding choices. I have no wish to make anyone feel bad for their choices - but I would like to have the opportunity to discuss the wider issues and the evidence on the health aspects with a group of other women who are well-informed. It's one of the reasons I like mumsnet so much - there are so many women here who are really knowledgeable about this subject who've got interesting things to say. TBH it's a bit galling to have people popping up in the thread shouting words to the effect of 'stop picking on ff mums - fgs - why does it matter how babies are fed'. Nobody's picking on anyone (ok - apart from Jlo) and nobody should have to justify taking an interest in this subject.

Back to the OP - I somehow imagine that Jlo's response to the suggestion that she use donor bm for her babies would have been 'eeewwwww!.

BTW - did you know that when bm is purchased by the NHS in this country it costs approximately £100 a litre! Makes Aptimel look positively cheap!

Sabire - my mother grew up solid middle class in the bronx and my father grew up dirt-poor in brooklyn. My mother breast-fed me and my siblings and I breast-fed my ds. Wow. My dad should have played the lottery the day my mother put her breast in my mouth.

Regardless of what the statitics say (and I'm not going to argue that they say anything other than what you assert) your post about JLo's working class roots is incredibly offensive on several levels -- and the fact that she's a celebrity doesn't make your opinions expressed in that post any less objectionable.

have only skim read

i was certainly aware of the correlation between socio-economic groups and breastfeeding rates

i thought a lot of people were - obv not

not happy - or palatable, necessarily - news, but there you go

oh, and winning ther lottery wouldn't put you in a higher socio-economic gourp i'm afraid

(i did say this would kick off though)

Just what the op intended I think Tutter...

oiland water, you have quoted one person, in a possible sample of ten grand.
people who constantly diss statistics need to rethink their stance. if statisticians didn t study large population groups, then we would be left only with the information available about the poepole immediately around us.
okie, i'm not being very eloquent right now, so i'm going to give an analogy. dissing statistical studies in the way that someof you have done so, without any knoweldge about the methods used in the study, is a bit like the mad religious leader type person i heard about who said that studying engineering was wrong and blasphemous, but happily went around driving his car.

How is it 'incredibly offensive' to say that your social background will influence the choices that you make in life - including how you feed your baby?

How is it offensive to say that it's hard to escape the cultural conditioning of the class you're born into - no matter how far from it you travel in later life?

Seriously - what's 'incredibly offensive' about that?

I don't understand what is offensive about discussing the fact that some social classes/age groups/ethnic groups etc are more likely to breastfeed than others. It's not a moral judgement, and it's certainly not to say that ALL young working class women will bottle feed and ALL older middle class women will breast feed - it just tells us that a older middle class mother is more likely to breastfeed than a young working class mother.

Anecdotes don't change the validity of the statistics.

pukka - who said I'm dissing a statistical study? I was "dissing" Sabire's application of a statistical effect to one particular person J.Lo. and her offensive way of doing so.

And I have no idea what you mean by "you have quoted one person, in a possible sample of ten grand." I am not extrapolating what Sabire said to any larger group.

But, since YOU mentioned it, I believe statistics can be very helpful but they can also be used in a misleading way(and please don't jump down my throat -- I am not necessarily talking about the breastfeeding statistics often cited on these threads). I will not be automatically swayed to a particular argument if someone proffers the Mumsnet breast/bottlefeeding holy grail of Statistics!!!! or Studies!!!! Yes, I will consider those Statistics!!!! and Studies!!!! but I will do so thoughtfully instead of slavishly defering to them.

I assume you've heard of Mark Twain's tidbit: 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.'"

Sabire you are priceless. check out the thread titile before you say this a sensible thread.
I never get involved with the bf stuff on here. but for people to judge a woman they have never meat and will never know the truth about is tragic.