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Had a horrible, horrible day - need some tiktok and hunkerisms please. (Huuuuge post)

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verylittlecarrot · 31/01/2008 17:56

I've had a wretched day following receipt of a letter from the paediatrician. Distilled down, it basically reduces dd down to two things; "failing to thrive" and "inadequate calorie intake". It also claims she has some delay in her motor development - ascribed to the failure to thrive - which he hopes would "pick up once her nutrition improves". I am surprised to hear this and don't agree with it.

Other possible causes have been ruled out (thyroid, heart, absorption problems)

The formerly supportive bfc who referred me (at my request) apparently felt a little miffed that I had not followed one particular piece of her advice, namely to express several times a day in addition to feeding on demand. (I attempted this for a while but abandoned it for several reasons, both practical and theoretical, in favour of just putting the baby to the breast at very frequent intervals.) This rejection of her advice has been noted in the letter. I rang the bfc to find out what this was about and challenged her, as she has previously told me I have "gallons of milk" and that supply isn't a problem. She seems less certain about my supply now, apparently.

The letter has a lot more to it and doesn't present me in a great light either. The paed wants to refer us on to a dietician.

There's so much I want to dispute in the letter - the diagnosis, the apparent motor delays, the conclusion that it is my bf to blame, the advice to wean her earlier rather than later (on baby rice!), the assumptions that I take random advice off the internet and lack the necessary intelligence and discretion to research properly info salient to dd's specific circumstances.

But actually, I've had enough. Spent the whole day in tears. I think I've run out of fight.

It's almost worse having gained the knowledge I have, from MN, because in RL you just sound like a non-compliant nutter with odd ideas and bizarre principles. And there isn't a tiktok or hunker in my neck of the woods to back me up, sadly.

So here are my questions

If I were to introduce a high cal formula at this stage, after 6 months of excl bf, perhaps a bottle a day, what effect might it have on my supply? (I already know what it will do to my psyche) Assuming that the hcps are correct, and for some reason I have an inadequate or fragile supply.

Is this likely to damage my long term plans to continue bf until she self weans?

Are there any risks to dd in doing this, vs carrying on bf (and weaning obv)

Is there a formal, diagnostic procedure to confirm that I have low supply? No-one has examined me ever in all of this, it's just a conclusion that has been reached through elimination of other causes.

Taking into account a steady and consistent weight GAIN from day 2 of her wee life, starting at 3 oz a week and now slowing to about 1 oz a week, does this sort of growth pattern seem consistent with low supply? She gained better in the beginning than she does now - might my supply be worse than it was?

If so, is it too late to fix things now?

I still feed every two hours roughly, sometimes more, both sides, and take domperidone (although I stopped for a few days last week as I honestly didn't feel it was making any difference, but have started again in desperation)

Does it make any difference that I still get engorged if she goes 4 hours between feeds at night occasionally? Does this mean anything?

I'm grasping at straws, anything to avoid admitting that my body has provided "inadequate calorie intake", which has caused motor development delays. The very real fear that I might have harmed my baby has been writen down in black and white today. It is sickening to read it.

I'm rambling and incoherent because I'm so upset. But I'm losing my nerve against the pressure. I need to consider formula, if it will help dd catch up some of the weight she needs so badly. I can't forgive myself for causing her problems. I feel like a defective failure. I tried to do everything I was supposed to do and it just hasn't worked.

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AitchTwoOh · 06/02/2008 01:05

are you going to send a letter in, vlc? i note that mamadoc said you should, it's a good idea imo.

verylittlecarrot · 06/02/2008 01:15

I think so Aitch. As time passes I stand a better chance of composing one that doesn't read like the slathering ravings of a neurotic madwoman.

I'm going to give it another week. At the moment it would be liberally peppered with "AND FURTHERMORE..."

I'd love to possess the patience and restraint of a tiktok or hinker.

Sadly, I do not.

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verylittlecarrot · 06/02/2008 01:16

or even a hunker

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verylittlecarrot · 06/02/2008 01:17

as I believe hinkers are slightly hotheaded

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hunkermunker · 06/02/2008 01:21

I don't possess it, VLC.

I do first drafts and redrafts and only send the redrafts...

verylittlecarrot · 06/02/2008 01:28

Ah yes, but I am a redhead. And a little bit of ginger comes out in everything I do, no matter how hard I try. It's a medical condition, you know.

You, however, are calm as a calm thing, in the face of severe provocation.

I am a little bit in awe.

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AitchTwoOh · 06/02/2008 01:28

ROFL at hunker's restraint. you mean a muzzle, surely?

verylittlecarrot · 06/02/2008 01:35

Where can I get me one of them there muzzles

I could do with one

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AitchTwoOh · 06/02/2008 01:38

i am frankly frightened to google for you...

verylittlecarrot · 06/02/2008 01:39

Hey Aitch
today she has been mostly eating
most of a banana smushed with cream
some porridge pancake with choppy up dates
a rather surprising amount (a few tablespoons) of very buttery carroty - well - carrot smoosh let's call it
some steak (ok she just sucked and chewed that)
and half a pear, which she demolishes slice by slice

It's going down her throat! I'm quite amazed, really.

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AitchTwoOh · 06/02/2008 01:42

oh VERY good, vlc. i used to love seeing little dd with steak juices running off her chin.

verylittlecarrot · 06/02/2008 01:48

am lurking on your blog frequently to get ideas. must sign up...

thanks for all the support.

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AitchTwoOh · 06/02/2008 01:50

you are most welcome.

welliemum · 06/02/2008 06:16

Brilliant work, that babycarrot! She's really got the hang of this eating "thing", hasn't she!

vlc, you deserve a medal, really you do, for standing up to the pressure from professionals when you know you're right. Even if you have to make her do a million situps to reassure yourself from time to time...

I second what everyone else says about writing a letter. I too use the Hunker Method of several drafts - the first one is always the most enjoyable. The last one is terribly rational and reasonable and can be posted with a clear conscience.

And at Aitch's consultant, am speechless really.

verylittlecarrot · 06/02/2008 10:18

thanks welliemum

We just weighed her. Baby carrot has gained

HALF A POUND

since Friday

OH
MY
GOD

(She does seem a little constipated though... )

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AitchTwoOh · 06/02/2008 10:22

YAAAAAAAAAY! (cut out bananas)

verylittlecarrot · 06/02/2008 10:31

CUT OUT?????

Can't I add summat else IN?

Like orange juice, or prunes?

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AitchTwoOh · 06/02/2008 10:36

if she's bunged, the nanas need to go. there's a 'dambuster spread' recipe on the blog forum that's a mix of lentils etc (you could add lots of olive oil), you might want to give that a try tonight. it was invented by a mum who's child was prone to constipation and seems to do the trick. apricots get dd moving as well.

SparklyGothKat · 06/02/2008 13:13

wow well done baby carrot

tiktok · 06/02/2008 14:39

carrot - that's great news

MommaFeelgood · 06/02/2008 19:41

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Jacanne · 06/02/2008 19:43

I have been following this vlc, though haven't posted - I'm really happy for you - well done very very little carrot

harpsichordcarrier · 06/02/2008 19:46

hurray!
remember to weigh the poo when it comes out

StealthPolarBear · 06/02/2008 19:52

excellent new vlc
Apricots always work for DS, sometimes too well...

welliemum · 06/02/2008 19:52

nonononono, don't fix the constipation til she's been weighed!!

Then you can tell the HV & co to have a nice life, you won't be back.

THEN, and only then, go mad with the orange juice or whatever.