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'comment' in the guardian on bf

But ... what about prescription drugs? They're also subject to an advertising ban (in this country, anyway). And that's so that laypeople aren't unfairly influenced to demand drugs without sufficient knowledge. Isn't the ban on formula advertising more like this?

to hunker, thank you so much for speaking out on womens behalfs, i really admire women like you that can put things across so well.

you make me proud to be a woman.
sorry if thats a bit suckky but its true
you go out of your way to help make things better for women like us, and i think thats amazing.

also about the article what a complte twat, there was no point to that piece at all was there? unless it was just to get a bf supporters how fucking sad.

NQC, Go and tell brendan!! Quick go now
(Its that way >>>>>>>>)

vs excellent post too, im registering to recommend you both

Aw, RRB and

NQC, I said that in my post about prescription drugs - kinda. Worth saying again though!

just reccomened vs and hunker

Hunker, we are on the most recc'd page

For what it's worth, I finally posted!

Your comments about the class division reflected in breastfeeding figures are deeply patronising. First of all to characterise middle class women as those sipping lattes belies little understanding of who this demographic are. In your schema where do breast feeding teachers, doctors, lawyers etc etc sit?

I also do not understand how in one sentence working class women are doing "tireless, thankless and sometimes degrading hard work", yet in the next sentence they are suddenly embracing this to become "modern mums". In the same paragraph you also resort to the weakest form of journalism - "many of the working class women I know" - invoking the unverifiable army of friends who apparently justify your poorly researched and poorly written piece.

But seeing as you think it's acceptable I'll parade some of my friends - from all sorts of classes - who didn't manage to breastfeed because of poor support, lack of education, difficult working conditions (including a lack of decent maternity provision, breast feeding breaks, proper expressing facilities). For the vast majority of them not breast feeding was not a positive choice. And for those who did choose not to breast feed they had no access to properly peer reviewed information regarding infant formula.

VS Thanks, all!

Lyra, excellent!

my post, not as well put as some of yours but i try !

do you call this journalism? how sad, why couldn't you use this opportunity to really get the heart of why women find breastfeeding so difficult, what support can women be offered to help increase numbers of women breast feeding.
as the facts are 9 out of 10 women that stop breast feeding before 6 weeks, do not want to stop.
i know many family members and friends that have to live with the regret that breast feeding did not work out for them and many still feel sad about it many, many years later, anyone that really cares about women, would try to avoid this happening to yet more women and babies.

why counldn't you research this and actually try and find out how to improve things for these mothers and babies?
instead you just took the easy and lazy route of slating all the people that go out of the way to support breastfeeding, usually women with there own lives to lead, taking calls in there own homes on a vouluntery basis to help support women that are struggling.
advertising does not increase product information at all.
how do the following slogans help improve choice at all?
1.closer than ever to breast milk

1. inspired by breast milk

now which slogan provides any information? none its just advertising hooklines.

this article is so poor, i totally agree it is about time the guardian terminated there contract with you.

you just took the easy way out with your very lazy "journalism" when you really could of used this opportunity to really improve thing for the millions of mothers and babies out there.

i spaced it out a bit to make it look a bit clearer

do you call this journalism? how sad, why couldn't you use this opportunity to really get the heart of why women find breastfeeding so difficult, what support can women be offered to help increase numbers of women breast feeding.
as the facts are 9 out of 10 women that stop breast feeding before 6 weeks, do not want to stop.
i know many family members and friends that have to live with the regret that breast feeding did not work out for them and many still feel sad about it many, many years,if not forever, anyone that really cares about women, would try to avoid this happening to yet more women and babies.

why counldn't you research this and actually try and find out how to improve things for these mothers and babies?
instead you just took the easy and lazy route of slating all the people that go out of the way to support breastfeeding, usually women with there own lives to lead, taking calls in there own homes on a vouluntery basis to help support women that are struggling.

advertising does not increase product information at all.
question:
how do the following slogans help improve choice at all?

1.closer than ever to breast milk

1. inspired by breast milk

now which slogan provides any information?
answer;
none its just advertising hooklines.

this article is so poor, i totally agree it is about time the guardian terminated there contract with you.

you just took the easy way out with your very lazy "journalism" when you really could of used this opportunity to really improve thing for the millions of mothers and babies out there.

there is just one word that sprung immediately into my mind...and that was fuckwit....

Good post RobinRedBreast, bet he doesnt read any of them though.
Pisses me off people like him have jobs in journalism.

thanks vs, just realise ive spent allday fighting for bf what with starting off with gmtv

wonder if you or hunker or someone wrote a really good piece and snt it off to the nationals, would it get published or do you really have to be a journalist to get the chance to air your views like this?

What a complete tosser.

No-one is interested tbh robin, there is very little in the media about breastfeeding and people like Brendan whatshisface only get the chance to air their views as they already have a column.

yes i guess your right vs, makes me so

They can advertise formula if the same amount of exposure is given to advertise breast-feeding.
"Surely it is time we left it to mothers and mothers alone to decide how to feed their infants" - I agree - with the support of the health professionals, and not opinionated columnists or advertising execs. What an idiot. Doesn't he realise that formula feeding is the norm and bf is fighting a minority corner - and the class card!!! most of the so-called middle class mums I know abhore the idea of bf.......prevents them going shopping or getting back to their career........think it's hippy earth mutha stuff.....

See comments like these (from a woman) I find so upsetting.
Not just misinformed, but hateful. Why???

'Everybody knows in the first few days you pass on useful anti-bodies, which is very good if you're raising your child naked in the bush with no access to medicine or vaccinations and nothing to eat but acorns. But if you carry on too long you'll completely ruin your breasts for no scientific reward. To each their own, personally I did like breast-feeding when my baby was very small but for me, personally, sagging scarred misshapen breasts are not a reasonable price for the moral benefits of breast feeding for the official reccomended time. 6 months is a ridiculously long time to breast feed IMO, babies are actually quite big by then - and they bite! They're too old for symbiosis, they don't like it, they want to taste other things. (How does evolutionary biology expain the advantage of ruining your breasts btw?? I know you'll come up with some ridiculous expanation based on the closely-observed sexual behaviour of ants!'

Where was that? I didnt see it, breastfeeding does not ruin breasts, pregnancy and bad bras does, or at least can, I have had better breasts every time I have had a child.

Oh that unmemorablename person.

I really don't get it - why is there such strong feeling against bf??

I've loved bf my DD and am very grateful I had great support from one particular MW, otherwise it may never have got off the ground, and am very much in favour of personal choice but I'm not anti-bottle because I bf.
It makes me sick that breasts are just now a sex/image concept and not what they have evolved for - nurturing our babies......

Grr - it's a sodding myth, that bfing causing misshapen breasts shite!

Yes that unmemorable person

She goes on and on about women being able to reclaim their bodies, and not have to be subjected to the tyranny of nature etc.

I find that attitude so sad... I had a difficult pregnancy, but I loved the big belly, and the fact that I was nurturing a baby.
I BF for 14 months, and apart for the first 3 months, where I did feel like a milk bar (on top of the cracked nipples, bleeding, mastitis and more), once my supply regulated I was back to tight tops, heels and makeup- just because you're Bfing doesn't mean you can't reclaim your body, you're just sharing it with baby for a bit...

What's wonderful is how she wants to reclaim her body from her child, so it can be given in perfect condition...........to a man.......