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growth spurt?? advice / moral support needed please

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chiefcookandbottlewasher · 23/01/2008 10:40

i am breastfeeding my dd, 6 days old today. So far she has taken to it really well, no problems latching on, a little bit snoozy on the breast but getting some decent periods of sleep between feeds.

Since yesterday however, she has fed almost constantly round the clock with hysterical crying the minute she comes off the breast (she does this voluntarily but just wants to go back on immediately). She snatches small sleeps in between feeds.

My milk came in over Sunday/Monday and ironically the initial nipple cracking that i had has now healed and i have no discomfort when feedng. My main concern is that dd may not be getting all she needs from me, but last night after a solid 3 and a half hours swapping between one breast and the other i gave in and fed her some formula. she took about 30ml and promptly threw most of that back up so she appears to be filling up on my milk, its just that she can't get enough! Also, where initially my breasts were swollen and felt quite hard, they have now softened again and are comfortable. I take this as another sign that dd is getting plenty from them. I have checked that she is not suffering from wind, she does not just want to suck on a finger or dummy for comfort, has regular nappy changes etc.

My husband is concerned that dd is missing out on something and this is why she wants to feed all the time, also that i am getting only snatched five and ten minute bursts of sleep. He is trying to persuade me to switch to bottle feedng. I am determined to carry on feeding dd myself, can live wth the sleep deprivation (as long as its only short-term), and am hoping that this is merely a growth spurt and will soon pass. Can anyone advise / reassure me that I am doing the right thing? Would be really helpful to know that others out there have been through the same thing.

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soremummy · 23/01/2008 13:18

It will

annabanana169 · 23/01/2008 13:35

hello. Ugh, its knackering isn't it... My 12 week old, who was 7 weeks prem so acts like a 5 week old, feeds 2 hourly or more frequently still during the day and often at night with the odd 3 or 4 hour stretch every now and then. But then randomly, he just attaches and wants to feed for hours. But it has started to improve when I finally accepted that bf was all I could do on days like that, and convinced DP that I wasn't just sitting on my arse all day! And I have definitely got used to functioning on much less sleep. So, it does improve, and I'm starting to enjoy it now! Good luck, keep going. You can do it, you've given your LO an amazing start. Anna

laundrylover · 23/01/2008 14:02

Another good thing is to learn to feed lying down and take your baby to bed for a few hours.

I do hope that none of you are stressing about housework or other such things??? If you are stop right now.

chiefcookandbottlewasher · 23/01/2008 15:57

well just out of bed, what a slattern! dp came and joined us and used his magic touch to get lo to sleep for an hour or two so i could get my head down. (laundrylover, he is being a diamond - totally besotted and just looking for an excuse to spend some tme with her really, so i suppose i should take advantage more!! the only frustration is that she will sleep for him and not me, although that's probably because he doesn't have an enormous pair of milky boobs!)

Again, great to know it will get better. Suppose you have to get your head out of the old mindset where you actually did stuff during the day and slept at night...

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laundrylover · 23/01/2008 16:17

Sounds great that sleep Chiefcook! With men it's just convincing them that a bottle is not the only way to bond! My DP used to take DD1 to the supermarket and do a big shop whilst I had a bath - he loved it. As your LO gets bigger and less booby dependant he'll be able to spend lots more time with her too - you're already realising that she acts differently around him eh? Sometimes our boobs do get in the way, all milky smelly and warm.

Bouncingturtle · 23/01/2008 18:49

Well he slept for a couple of hours while I was out, woke up wanting a feed when we got back, then slept again for an hour. Then I've fed him again and he just thrown it all back up again.
Feeling very low now
Dh is here now so am going to try to express some more milk so he can feed him later.

chiefcookandbottlewasher · 23/01/2008 19:24

was feeding when i last posted and am still feeding every hour for approx 40 mins. Expressing is starting to seem like an attractive option. BT can you tell me some of the 'rules'? I seem to remember a midwife telling me that breast milk would keep at room temp for up to 24 hours, or have i made this up? should i keep it in the fridge? the only reservations i have are that a)dd feeds far more quickly from a bottle so i may be making my life more difficult by encouraging her to feed sooner after she has had the expressed milk and b)that givng her a relatively regular bottle feed will put her off the breast. Any thoughts?

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BITCAT · 23/01/2008 19:44

it doesn't last, but this is normal snatch sum sleep when you can mine were like this, hows weight gain.

chiefcookandbottlewasher · 23/01/2008 21:10

she was 8lb 9 at birth. When she was weighed for the first time this Tues she had lost 3oz. The midwife told me she would normally expect about 10% loss so she's obviously getting something!

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Bouncingturtle · 23/01/2008 21:41

Bitcat - ds's weight gain was good, 6lb6 at birth, 6lb4.5 on day 8, 6lb11 on day 11 and 7lb8 on day 18. Haven't weighed him since, though am taking him to get weighed again on Monday.
Chief - As fas as I am aware, EMB keeps for 4 days at room temp, 24 hours in a fridge and 1 month in a freezer.
I have expressed at different times of day, you tend to get more first thing. Best time is of you can feed baby on one side and express on the other. The advice I've seen is not to subsitute night breast feeds for bottle feeds, I think it is because you produce more milk at night and it can interrupt supply (please correct if incorrect). I get Dh to give a feed in a bottle at our bedtime, to give me a bit of a break.

On a different note, my boobs are really painful, and have been on and off for the last few days. They all most feel engorged. They tend to hurt after a feed and then the pain goes after about an hour or so. Did mention to HV yesterday she wasn't terribly helpful.
I'm feeling better now Dh is home, had a cry earlier as I was feeling very useless. DS feeding still ok but a bit unsettled. Probably cause he is watching Torchwood!

BITCAT · 23/01/2008 22:02

some weight loss is normal in 1st few days, but i do hope it gets easier for you very soon. if you were to express some milk is there anyone who would take over for you for a little while so you can perhaps get a shower and a little nap, as i am sure you would feel lot better if you could get sum sleep.
Bouncingturtle it sounds like your baby is thriving and is gaining weight, great!! but i do also hope things settle down for you soon also. try a hot water bottle for your boobs it may make them leak a little but it does ease everything!!

Bouncingturtle · 24/01/2008 07:14

Just looked at my last post I meant 4 HOURS not DAYS!!! Duh!
We had a better night, fed him at 11pm, changed his nappy, then DH fed him at 2am with EBM and changed him again. Then I fed him at 4.30 and 6am (I was ready to get up then) he's been awake until DH went work but is now asleep again. I am dressed and am having breakfast, I will be getting ds dressed once I have done a couple of jobs.

annabanana169 · 24/01/2008 09:11

Hi chief, you can keep ebm in a proper freezer with a seperate door for 3 months. Some websites say 6 months but i think that's the US guidelines. Kellymom website gives all the times for different types of freezer and fridge and room temp for prem and full term babes. I think I've read its better to use ebm that's not been frozen i.e. The fresher the better so if you're going to use it within 4 days don't freeze it. Anna

laundrylover · 25/01/2008 10:18

Morning ladies,

Chief, the best guidelines on EBM storage are here.

Turtle, from what you say about the pain I am worried that you may have thrush in your ducts - have you any other signs of thrush on your nipple or in your babies mouth?
I am meant to be working but if you do a search on my name and thrush you should find plenty of threads with advice....if it is thrush you need to sterilise things in Milton to kill it BTW.

Your babies are gaining weight well both of you. You're doing fine, it is knackering but you'll be flying soon I promise....

Keep up the good work!!

tiktok · 25/01/2008 10:52

Chief, this pattern is normal....less demanding if you go with the flow and don;t have high expectations of your baby being able to be apart from you for very long. Just over a week ago she was inside you - she's gonna take a little while and some patience and comfort while she accustoms herself to the outside world!

Your dh is not being helpful, though he may think he is! You need support to bf, not suggestions your dd is missing out on something - like what? What could be in cows milk formula that is better than human milk?!

Things will settle down as you gain in confidence. Formula will prevent breastfeeding becoming established. It is normal and biological for babies to feed round the clock in the early days. Responding to this teaches them they are loved and that their needs are important. That's a good lesson to learn

tiktok · 25/01/2008 10:54

Turtle, could be thrush, could be positioning and attachment....get it checked by someone who knows what to look for. Good luck

laundrylover · 25/01/2008 11:30

Chief, show your DH this thread and tell him that me and Tiktok are gonna come round and bust his ass if he doesn't get the kettle on , the chocs out and your feet up pretty damn sharpish!!!

laundrylover · 25/01/2008 11:32

Tiktok, quick question for you please! I have damaged my foot quite badly running and the physio says that bfing (even at this late stage) still softens ligaments etc. Why is this? I look to you as font of all knowledge!! Thanks. Sorry for hijack girls.

Bouncingturtle · 25/01/2008 12:15

What other symptons should I look for with Thrush? Is it the white spots? Can't see any in his mouth. I do use Milton to sterilise my breast pumps and dummies and bottles I use for EBM.
My nipples look fine, nothing on them.

tiktok · 25/01/2008 12:24

LL - maybe something in what she says, but research is not v. conclusive. Some women with SPD still suffer postbirth, and some don't - bf seems irrelevant. But as I say, we can't be sure.

(SPD is ligaments in the pelvic area separating).

Bouncing, thrush can be hard to diagnose. Breastfeeding Network (google it) has a good online leaflet.

My money would be on something to do with positioning, though.

chiefcookandbottlewasher · 25/01/2008 13:05

lol laundrylover, think he may be secretly reading this thread - he got me a nice bar of Green and Blacks last night and i ate the lot in one sitting! Not sure how that'll help the pregnancy belly but very satisfying!! Don't want to be too hard on him as he has been fantastic this week. He's one of those men who just wants to help by providng an instant practical solution to everything and could just see that i was frustrated, dd was hungry and formula would provide a 'quick fix'. We had a good chat about bf'ing last night and now that he gets the reasons why i want to persevere he's completely bought in

things have moved on again here. dd now still feeding hourly-ish but for shorter periods mostly, so at least she's not attached to me for 45 mins out of every hour! She's detaching herself from the nipple while still awake now, where before she would just fall asleep and fall off, so looks as though she feels she's getting enough. Think it was taking time for my supply to catch up with her demand and she just wasn't satisfied with the amount i could provide. A better night last night also, three feeds altogether but she stays on for much longer so it turns into an hour-and-a half to two hour session with nappies and setting down etc, but at least i can get a bit of rest in between. Amazing what aifference a few hours sleep makes, feel much more positive today

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chiefcookandbottlewasher · 25/01/2008 13:09

ps mw here this afternoon so will get some reassurance on dds progress hopefully.

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Bouncingturtle · 25/01/2008 13:20

Thanks for that, Tiktok - i suspect you may be right, still faffing about with pillows here! Most feeds are pain free after the intial latch, but the odd one is uncomfortable.
Will seek advice from bfc.

chiefcookandbottlewasher · 25/01/2008 13:21

bloody hell, keep posting before i've finished - do this in RL too, always sending blank text messages! Turtle, obviously can't offer any advice but hope you get the problem sorted. Also had a bit of a cry yesterday, weird because i felt fine and was then just sobbing out of nowhere! must be the hormones as it was over as quickly as it started but think it does you good to let it all out. It also got me that bar of Green and Blacks, so it was good for me in more ways than one!

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Bouncingturtle · 25/01/2008 17:26

Chief - expect more tears, it is hormonal, still get teraful now and ds was 4 weeks yesterday! Still if it gets you more chocolate then bring it on