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robertarthur · 16/12/2007 11:32

Hi,

I have been involved in make a short video about breastfeeding featuring breastfeeding expert Vicki Scott (from Philips Avent)

She gives out breastfeeding tips and also reacts to new research.

It would be great if you could have a look at it and let me know what you think.

You can do that by clicking on this link uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ryBezqpCaaA or by pasting this onto your website : uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ryBezqpCaaA
Hope you like it !
Ben

OP posts:
kiskidee · 16/12/2007 11:59

are you aware of this thread? and those linked onto it?

TinyTimLivesinVictorianSqualor · 16/12/2007 12:11

expert

mears · 16/12/2007 12:28

I have watched and not sure I like it to be honest.

Takes more than a week or two to get breastfeeding established and I found it strange the order of questions. 'some babies like to feed one day and not the next' being one of them.

Not sure who this is aimed at. If it is for mums wanting to know about initiating breast feeding it would have been good to mention the benefits of skin-to-skin contact. If it was mentioned then it has gone past me. Certainly useful for a baby who is refusing the breast.

Actually, sorry on reflection I don't think it is a particularly helpful video.

5goldrings4MONKEYBIRDs · 16/12/2007 12:30

Ho ho ho - another selection of useful info.

'mum might have eaten something that's putting the baby off'

'babies snack... if mums can keep their babies awake for half an hour or so, maybe an hour, encourage the baby to take a good feed...'

Asked about support she hints at(but doesn't name) voluntary groups then moves swiftly on to selling the Pillocks Advent DVD (will they sue me for that?! ) which has info on BF, expressing, equipment, weaning and other helpful stuff...

Watch and learn, women...

TinyTimLivesinVictorianSqualor · 16/12/2007 13:13

Why when he asked about pain didn't she mention bad latch???
Surely anyone who knows anything about breastfeeding knows that the latch is probably the most important thing to get sorted and that if it's not right it can hurt???
And how on earth is expressing the milk when you've eaten something funny going to make baby drink it any better?
As for snacking, depending on age the babies stomach is probably about the size of a walnut! That's why they don't take huge feeds.
Robertarthur, if you want real good advice contact someone from La Leche League, the NCT, the breastfeeding network or ABM.

5goldrings4MONKEYBIRDs · 16/12/2007 13:30

methinks Robert Arthur perhaps commissioned by Pllocks too?!

TinyTimLivesinVictorianSqualor · 16/12/2007 13:35

I get so frustrated when I see things like this, I would've given better information and I'm not an 'expert' yet the main part of my info would've been to contact the real experts!

AwayInAMunker · 16/12/2007 13:46

Watching it and going to comment as I watch:

First of all, Philips Avent conducted a survey that says more women want to breastfeed, but are worried about doing it in public...the cynical side of me says... Well, bingo, Avent make bottles so you can get the "benefits of breastmilk, but none of the shame" (and in large fiery letters, I think FFS!).

OK, will press play again...

Breastfeeding's not as socially accepted as it could be - there was a survey fairly recently (in the last year or two) that showed that over 80% of people thought bfing in public was fine - actually, more people thought it was fine than the percentage of women who start to breastfeed - how ironic.

So Vicki's not telling the full story here. Quelle surprise.

Pressing play again...
WTF is this bollocks about a baby feeding one day and refusing to feed the next? Is this really the most important thing to have in a video made called "Breast is best!"? This is surely not even in the top ten of concerns that women have about breastfeeding, surely?! Strange-tasting milk?! Evidence for same, please, Vicki.

Aha, I see - "expressing milk" or "using some milk that you've got from the freezer" - what with an Avent breastpump, Vicki, and stored in handy Avent pots? You corporate deleted.

Pressing play again...

Demand feed for only the first week or so to establish supply? Hokay. Vicki, please, please, please, stop this endless self-promotion based on scant facts. It's tedious and damaging. If you truly care about women, you'll learn more about breastfeeding before you do any more of this sort of stuff.

Pressing play again...

There is a lot of support for mums who wish to breastfeed? Are you kidding?!!!!! Where I live, and where a lot of MNers live, there is nothing but one NCT bfc. OK, you might get lucky and chance upon a midwife who knows her stuff, or a health visitor who isn't actually damaging with her advice, but jeeeeez, Vicki, are you for REAL?! And I'm in London - hardly in the arse end of hicksville.

And why not actually mention the different voluntary groups in the video? You're saying it's hard to access - well, how did you make it any easier?!

Ohhhhhhhh, I see - it's because (handily) Philips Avent have produced a DVD about breastfeeding - with handy tips about how to "use all the equipment" - my cynicism doesn't diminish, Vicki, not one iota.

Pressing play again...
Yeah, it'll only take a couple of weeks, Vicki, in all cases.

Ah, finally, she says something that I agree with:

"Just feel confident. You can produce a lovely baby, why shouldn't you be able to breastfeed it as well?"

But other than that...

Disclaimer - I have flu and have eaten a clementine and an apple since Friday evening. I may be suffering from extreme grumpiness. I have censored the more vitriolic stuff from this post.

mears · 16/12/2007 13:48
Grin
TinyTimLivesinVictorianSqualor · 16/12/2007 13:48
AwayInAMunker · 16/12/2007 13:51

VS, I think my head might explode, especially in my weakened state.

It contains stuff about weaning too.

Wonder what age it says from?

And how many times Avent have the solution to all your feeding angst with some piece of randomly shaped plastic and rubber?

There's no money in "just breastfeeding" though, is there? And, sadly, many women feel the urge to surround themselves with as much paraphernalia as possible when they have a new baby, when the reality is that they need far less stuff than the baby magazine lists, etc suggest.

TinyTimLivesinVictorianSqualor · 16/12/2007 14:04

so truedp asked me what we need for the new baby and was quite suprised at my list of buggy,cot,clothes,nappies.

AwayInAMunker · 16/12/2007 14:06

LOL VS! Don't even need a cot if you co-sleep Or a buggy as long as you have a length of fabric... But a buggy is a must, I do agree, if you ever go clothes shopping with your baby. And easier if you need the loo when you're out!

fingerwoman · 16/12/2007 14:08

not if you've got one of those things ytou can use to hang your baby on the toilet door.

i'd google for it but i'll never find it

fingerwoman · 16/12/2007 14:10

actually it's here

TinyTimLivesinVictorianSqualor · 16/12/2007 14:11

Oh wow!
I am actually using a sling and getting a bedside cot so I can co-sleep but the loolas look so nice

NineBabiesDancing · 16/12/2007 14:45

Hunker, you don't wear your baby while peeing ?!? After a few weeks I didn't think twice about taking DD in sling into the toilet with me (even before we started to EC.)

I also found the only use for the buggy was to lie baby in whilst I try on new clothes. In fact since my DD can now stand on her own, I have lost track of my buggy...think it is in the spare room.

My essential list for a newborn would be
few cloth nappies
potty
that expensive nipple cream for a £10 a tube
a sling (but you'll end up with a few)
cot to sidecar or bedguard

Wish I had known that before my DD came along...how much rubbish did I buy

AwayInAMunker · 16/12/2007 16:45

BE, oh, I have (not any more - he's 22mo!). But I had DS1 as well, and a 21m age gap - so if I was to take a just-2yo and a tiny baby into a public loo with me, I really, really wanted a buggy with me

RobertArthur, where are you?

I've thought more about this video and I reckon it was either edited or set up initially to only show the bits that had "Avent solutions".

VVVExcitedAboutChristmasQV · 16/12/2007 17:01

What a big pile of poo pants ka ka.

MerryPIFFLEmas · 16/12/2007 17:11

impersonal, little bit sanctimonious, little bit patronising and smarmy.

Trivialised the important things (demand feeding, establsihing supply, PN support) and made mountains out of molehills (public perceptions FFS?)

Bore no resemblance to my first childs bf pattern or my feelings so if it is aimed at first time mothers, it's not enough infact I would go so far as to say re do teh whole thing and involve nursing mothers those who found it easy and those who have had fights and struggles
BF is about real women, look at hto change their feeding how many come here and are truly inspired JARM for a start.
That's where the true support and help way lies...

AwayInAMunker · 16/12/2007 17:13

Glib, that's the word. It's an Avent advert. Actually, I wonder how Avent do at Code-breaking?

MerryPIFFLEmas · 16/12/2007 17:33

sisterhood within motherhood is the answer I suspect

MrsJohnCuSackFullOfPresents · 16/12/2007 17:44

surley this thread should be somewhewre else blatantly AN ADVERT??????

I thought we'd already had the converstation about advertising masquerading as normal threads

MrsJohnCuSackFullOfPresents · 16/12/2007 17:46

ooh I forgot as it is blatantly an advert

I've only just got up...

NineBabiesDancing · 16/12/2007 19:11

TBH it is impossible to cover even the basics of breastfeeding in such a short slot of time.

If you cut down on a lot of the talking bit and instead displayed the following telephone numbers and weblinks on the screen, for a long enough time to allow the viewers to copy down and use the information.

That would be very helpful and supportive to new breastfeeding mums.

Breastfeeding Support Numbers
National Childbirth Trust 0870 444 8708
La Leche League 0845 120 2918
Breastfeeding Network 0844 412 4664
Association for Breastfeeding Mothers 08444 122 949

Useful Weblinks
www.mumsnet.com
www.howbreastfeedingworks.com
www.kellymom.com
www.breastfeedingnetwork.org.uk

HTH

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