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Close to giving up with 4month old ds2, using nipple shields, dreadful latch, help!

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accessorizewithbabysick · 08/04/2007 16:17

Please, I do want to be persuaded to keep on with this, I find some things about breastfeeding really lovely but nearly every feed is uncomfortable because he just won't latch properly & never really has. I was in tears today and yesterday because of this, it's like an endurance contest & my neck, shoulders & back (and nipples of course) are aching so much I'm taking pain killers every day.

I started using nipple shields from birth nearly because they're flat, managed to get him off them to some extent but can't get him to gape properly so often end up going back to shields as my nipples hurt so much. Have rung the NCT 3 times, had a BFC come to see me and also rang La Leche last week. They've suggested lots of things, and I've tried them all but I really feel that now it's either put up with the pain & discomfort or go onto formula. I want to keep onto until 6 months because of asthma & eczema in the family, but this is just ruling my life & I can't take any more of it like this. He feeds about 7 times during the day & sleeps 12 hours at night which is my salvation thus far.

Any more advice, can I pay for a bfc to come and see me as the NCT one just suggested lying back on lots of pillows & letting him crawl up me. Which was fine, but doesn't really work in a cafe on a straight backed chair. Thanks so much

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accessorizewithbabysick · 17/04/2007 16:22

Thanks bumblemummy, that picture's quite useful. But what happens if baby doesn't open his mouth wide as mine doesn't (little ratbag)! I did just feed him in the car with no pillow & it was quite comfy but still not right as his mouth is not wide. I shall have to persevere!

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accessorizewithbabysick · 17/04/2007 16:43

just tried that out (no cushion, holding breast a little) and very comfy! he even latched on with a nice big gape! ono took 10 mins too, fantastic thanks all!

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mears · 17/04/2007 18:07

That's brilliant. If you can have one comfy feed, it will eventually happen for them all

Bubblemummy · 17/04/2007 18:24

Glad to help a fellow aussie! Just came over here from Perth in January myself...

Oh , and if you have trouble getting him to open his mouth wide, try making sure his chin is touching your breast and then tickle the top of his mouth with your nipple (sounds weird, but it worked for me!)

accessorizewithbabysick · 18/04/2007 20:05

Will try the tickling thing tomorrow bubble, I've tried every other trick to get him to open his mouth! You must be really missing oz, I've been here 12 years & I still get v.homesick. Jan not a good time to be in england, is it?

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Bubblemummy · 19/04/2007 12:42

Yeah, we came over whilt it was summer there and winter here! A bit silly really

mears · 20/04/2007 11:09

How's it going?

accessorizewithbabysick · 20/04/2007 21:19

Bubble, why did you come over? Is it just temporary?

mears, thanks for asking Horrible today, I must have not been concentrating yesterday as nips so sore today they hurt even with shields on. Luckily ds2 sleeps for 12 hours normally so they get a chance to heal. I used some formula today just to avoid having to feed whilst we were out, my shoulders & neck are so sore from feeding and stress that I'm in agony. I'm still aiming to get to 6 months though (he's 4 1/2 now), it goes in roundabouts, I no longer expect things to be perfect anymore and a lightbulb to go on although the advice here has been invaluable.

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accessorizewithbabysick · 23/04/2007 16:44

Anyone still watching? I think I might have thrush, I'm now getting pain radiating from my left side after each feed. Nipple looks a little red, but then he's chewing them anyway. Any chance this might not be thrush, I've looked up the suggestions for controlling it and quite frankly if I have to do all of that (give up wine, cheese, bread etc plus medication) on top of the rest of this I've had enough!!! Does that sound awful? I've just had a lovely feed with him on my bed, but it's the 7th feed since 8am and I am still using shields half the time. He's now 21 weeks.

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aoifaz · 23/04/2007 19:45

Hi accessws ,
this is my first post to mn , v.exciting !
My dd is 9 nearly 10 weeks and I'm the same as you, using shields practically all the time. Therefore I've been reading your posts avidly ! Ist off I reckon what you've described is thrush for sure . I've had it on and off since the beginning . I think I've finally kicked it now though .I used cream after every feed , change breastpads after every feed and changed bras v.regularly .I know it's back when I have pain even with shields .In fact thrush was the reason I started using the shields , although I didn't know it was thrush at the time.

I'm pretty much resigned to using the shields now until I finish at 6 mths or so .they re a pain in the bum and not at all discreet for public feeding , but needs must...... The only thing is that I ahve to keep giving my supply a nudge every so often to keep it up....

Anyway , get the daktarin for the nips and you'll be better in a day!

aoifaz

moondog · 23/04/2007 19:45

You girls need fluconazole.And fast!

moondog · 23/04/2007 19:47

Read this

Welcome aoifaz btw.

aoifaz · 23/04/2007 19:53

thanks moondog !

I have my fingers crossed that I'm clear.I asked my ob/gyn for diflucan at my six week check and he agreed no problem , but then nappy brain walked out without the prescription , doh....Good to have the info to hand though as I have a feeling I might need it yet..

aoifaz

moondog · 23/04/2007 20:02

It really did the trick for me after six weeks of misery.
Well done for you on the b/feeding front!
Have you sought help for the shields issue.Someone posted the other day about successfully ditching them after 4 months"!

aoifaz · 23/04/2007 20:55

I may psyche myself up to try again alright .Would love to be free of shields .4 mths - wow well that is v.encouraging indeed !
a

accessorizewithbabysick · 23/04/2007 21:21

hey aiofaz, glad you stopped lurking to post on this thread! You're doing so well to get past all of these problems and still be feeding, I gave up at 9 weeks with ds1, couldn't cope anymore. Have you rung the NCT or La Leche League, I would thoroughly recommend them, they helped me to get off nipple shields partly anyway. Why are you using them? I know it's impossible to feed discreetly in public isn't it? I can manage to feed now without one on the left side, and sometimes take a bottle of EBM with me just to avoid the problem.

moondog, isn't my gp unlikely to prescribe Fluconazole given the risks?

I'm still not sure if I have thrush, haven't had any more pain for the last few feeds and he's just done his nighttime one for nearly 90 mins! But I read the LLL and the Kellymom stuff and much of it sounded right & I've been eating waaayyy too much choc lately due to stress & feeling a bit depressed (I had pnd first time). Not to mention a cheese sandwich is pretty easy to rustle up I rang the LLL lady I spoke to a couple of weeks ago and she advised getting swabs, but in the meantime I'll go to the chemist and get started. I would really like to continue to 6 months due to the eczema and asthma, ds2 already has some eczema so I want to try and protect him. Anyone know what value there is after 6 months for eczema?

Did get very upset earlier about all of this, I just feel like bf should be getting easier at this point not bl&^y harder which it is.

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moondog · 23/04/2007 23:31

Some GPs are unwilling yes,but all the big breastfeeding bodies endorse its use and it was the only thing that worked for me.
As what most Gps know about b/feeding could be written on a postage stamp,I am happyto go with the experts.

aoifaz · 24/04/2007 00:10

accwbs

I 'm still using the shields basically because she won't open her mouth to latch on properly anymore.( She used to and we had a perfect latch , checked by a lc at home and everything !) .I really only meant to use the shields to get past the pain from the thrush and resulting cracked nipples , but I got addicted and lazy I suppose .Sometimes I can get her on for a comfortable fefd without them althoughtbh I haven't tried in about a fortnight .I'm going to give it a go again tomorrow.....
I've been lashing in the fenugreek and fennel tea and eating readybrek, but if I have to do this evry few days I'll go mad ! I want the comfortable , easy BF !!

I don't live in the UK , but I did pay for a lactation cons to come to my house. I should really get in touch with La Leche, I have the numbers. I think I'm embarassed to still be using them at this stage.
Having said that , from other threads here I see that it's not unusual ! If my supply would just behave I wouldn't give a damn tbh !
How are your nips now ?I found the thrush started off not too bad , only occasional pain but this got gradually worse .It was only ever on one side though . BTW I would sterilise the shields in milton every so often in case of thrush because I'm not sure that the steam sterilising kills thrush - although I'm open to correction on that .
Hope you get relief from then pain soon..

A

accessorizewithbabysick · 25/04/2007 21:39

moondog, still not convinced I have thrush, no further symptoms so I'm ignoring it tho did mean to get some daktarin from the gp. Have just namedropped my father (senior pediatrician) to my gp in order to get the meds I needed for ds1 this week, so best not p**s her off again by quoting mumsnet or breasfeeding network on thrush!

aiofaz, I do sympathise, the gape problem is soooo annoying, ds2 was never great, but they get used to the nipple shield, it's a diff. way of sucking. My bfc put it best 'the difference between sucking on your finger, and sucking on your closed fist' which made it really clear to me. Don't honestly feel bad about asking for more help, this is your first child, she's only 10 weeks, you can't figure it all out overnight. There are plenty of people on mnet asking for help with their 3rd child. I can pass on the tips that I was given for the same issue and one of them might help?? And do you try it lying down, I almost never need nipple shields like that & it's a really nice way to do it.

  • latch on standing up, then sit down
  • Use a rolled up flannel under your breast o help lift it a bit
  • do it without a bra
  • press his chin down to make the gape better
  • ensure both lips are flared out (this is hard, haven't managed that)

She suggested trying everything more than once on different days and keep retrying other tips as things change so quickly with babies and what didn't work 1 week ago might work now & I've found that to be true.

And have you come across 'Biological Nurtering' yet? You basically lie down propped up by loads of cushions so you're comfortable reclined, place baby across your body and let her 'climb' up you - the way they reach the breast, they have to open wide . I'm prob. not explaining it v.well, but google it and you might find more info. I tried it in the bath quite successfully, and haven't persevered, it's a way of retraining them to latch on properly (and again I've prob. got that wrong, apologies to people who know what they're talking about like tiktok, mears...).

And are you using something good on your nipples, like lanisoh or kamillosan? Expensive but worth it. Where are you, if not in the uk? I find not wearing a bra at night is good too, gives them a bit of air to heal. Right, enough of me now, you'll wish you'd never posted. But reallly you're doing so great first time round, I never sought out help the way you're doing!

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aoifaz · 26/04/2007 18:28

Hi acwbs !
Thanks for your reply. I'm actually a 3rd time mum, but my 1st was 3lbs born and I just expressed and then dd2 was born with a cleft palate so expressed again ........

although it IS my 1st time to bf !We're still on the shields but as I've kicked the thrush , no pain at all. I started on fenugreek to boost my supply a bit and it's worked fabulously ! I can't believe it actually , it's like the first few weeks postpartum .I'm still trying without shields and maybe we'll get there in the end.
if not and my supply stays ok well then so be it , it's not the end of the world, just a bit akward really .

Your tips are great I'm definitely going to try them , and I'm very interested in this Biological Nurtering , I thought that was possible only with very newborns ? Must try a nice bath so !

I'm in Ireland btw !

Aoifaz

accessorizewithbabysick · 27/04/2007 21:27

hey aoifaz, glad the tips were helpful, not mine just ones I've gleaned from bfc's! Well I hope one or more might be helpful. It's fab you're getting a chance to do bf for real 3rd time round, but you must be really frustrated with it! Is it poss your supply just isn't established quite yet? Did you ring anyone else for help, sure LLI have nos for Ireland?

Re: biological nurturing, I was told by the bfc who demonstrated it to me (with a doll) that she had a video of a 20 week old baby doing it. I think ds was 14 weeks or so when I first tried it. I have noticed recently that ds will change his latch after a little while, I've noticed him opening his mouth wider. Maybe he's figured he gets more milk that way, smart cookie. My nips are aching today, could'n't get comfy as out and about all day. How are things going with you?

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