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BF is going from bad to worse and I'm not sure how much longer I can keep doing it

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Olihan · 02/02/2007 20:09

DS2 is 5 weeks old and so far has been exclusively bf. However, he's still not back to his birthweight of 10lbs 2.5oz and has only been gaining weight at a rate of 1 - 2 oz a week. Last week he was feeding almost continuously and I saw a bfc who helped me with my latch but that hasn't made any difference with his weight gain. He did stop feeding so often and was going 3 hours between feeds but that stopped at the weekend and he's back to constant feeding for most of the day. He seems to feed, fall asleep, falls off the breast, then wakes 5 -10 minutes later and does the same again for most of the day. He will occasionally have an hour or two of being awake and not wanting to feed but that's only once in a day.

The HV who weighed him on Weds told me to keep going with the bf, feeding him every 3 hours round the clock which I've been trying. DS2 has other ideas though and will only go half an hour to an hour between feeds through the day and then sleeps from about 9pm until the early hours of the morning. It is impossible to wake him up when he's in that phase and if I do manage to stir him he will suck a couple of times and fall asleep again. So he's going about 6 hours without feeding and I don't know how to change that.

I'm also finding it tricky to keep him latched on in the way the bfc showed me. He'll suck a few times but then moves his mouth so he's where he likes to be. I end up taking him off almost every other suck or leaving him with a 'bad' latch for a bit before starting the whole battle again. I think the shape of my boobs may be contributing to the problem as I have to support the boob he's feeding on with one hand and his neck/shoulders with the other. As soon as I stop supporting my boob he loses the latch. But I can't spend an hour plus in the one position, I end up in agony.

Tiktok suggested breast compressions and I've got the Jack Newman stuff on it feom Kellymom and tried it but I can't tell when he's actually drinking and when he's just sucking. It hasn't made any apparent difference to his sucking pattern when I've been squeezing so I'm either doing it wrong or it doesn't work on me.

I just don't know how to make it work. I'm in tears a lot over it, I don't want to switch to fomula because I failed with bf with my older 2 and so want it to work his time. I feel like a total failure knowing that I can't bf when it's the most natural thing in the world. I just don't understand what's going wrong and why it's getting worse not better. What else can I do to make it work this time? I'm in tears just writing this down because formula is starting to feel like it's inevitable.

I also feel like I'm not being fair on ds1 and dd. They're only 3.1 and 17 months and they need me but I spend literally all day apart from the half hour preschool run, making the lunch and putting dd down for her nap just sat on the sofa with ds2 attached to my nipple. I can't take them out on my own because they are too youg to play independently in the park, etc and they won't sit down for long enough in a cafe etc for me to manage a full feed because ds2 doesn't seem to do a 'feed', all day is a feed.

So, what do I do? Do I just accept that I've done my best and I'm just not a breastfeeder, or is there something else I can do to make it work? All I want is to be able to feed him and know that he's full and won't need feeding for a couple of hours.

Soory if this doesn't make much sense, I'm getting myself into a right state over it all but don't know what to do or the best.

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SydneyB · 05/02/2007 09:43

I hope I've not missed a similar comment further down this thread and am repeating something someone else has already said. My DD is 8 weeks and for weeks has been frantically feeding when she's awake - non-stop between 7 and 11 in the morning, passing out for 2 horus and then again til 5 and then passing out and feeding all evening before conking out at 11. Two things have helped me. 1) I've realised that she was actually exhausted and not necessarily hungry when she was screaming at me. Not wanting to promote a particular way forward but I've found the Tracy Hogg route has really helped me - EASY - Eat, Activity, Sleep - particularly noticing when DS is tired - i.e. 2/3 yawns time for nap and trying to settle her. The upshot of this is that the feeding has really calmed down. I give her an hour feeding time and have noticed that by the end of this hour she has finished and is much calmer. More sleeps have meant less frantic behaviour.

  1. We have succumbed and now top her up with formula before bed at 7 and after a full breastfeed. And we wake her at 10 and do that again. I've tried for nearly 2 months to exclusively breastfeed but for whatever reason she just wasn't getting enough from me in the evenings and now she's sleeping from 7 to 10 and then 11 to 7 and is generally a much happier well rested baby. I'm sure if I'd stayed with the frantic evening feeds we might have got there but for my sanity and my DH's sanity and for the sake of a well rested happy baby I'm afraid I gave in.

Sorry to ramble but what I'm trying to say Olihan is take the route that makes sense for YOU and your DS. We can't all exclusively breastfeed be it through exhaustion or circumstances that make it difficult to. Trust your instinct and ignore the politics!!

hollyandalice · 05/02/2007 09:45

Hi Olihan. I had this problem with dd and I found nipple shields worked a treat. Not being too personal, but do you have flat, inverted or small nipples? If you do then give nipple shields a go. They help the baby latch on and means you can bf without pain. Hvs don't like them as apparently they inhibit milk flow, but I used them for 3 months and my dd thrived on my milk.
HTH

yellowrose · 05/02/2007 09:48

Sydney - almost all excl. bf babies have frantic evening feeds, mine did until he was around 3- 4 months old. it is called cluster feeding, they nearly all do it. it does not mean you do not have sufficient milk, it is just baby's way of storing up for the night and making your body produce even more milk, esp. when they are having growth spurts. read kellymom.com - it will explain the biology of it better than i can.

RubyRioja · 05/02/2007 09:51

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SydneyB · 05/02/2007 09:55

Yep, I know Yellowrose but I'm afraid that I have to admit that I just wasn't up to it! Knackered and crying frantically feeding upstairs whilst DH's family had dinner downstairs was the final straw. Just had to break the cycle for my own sanity and in the end admit that after 8 weeks I just couldn't do it anymore. All credit to others who can though.

yellowrose · 05/02/2007 09:59

ruby - i am quite happy to stick up my ARSE (we say ARSE here not ASS like the US) at my DH any time, very baboon like, don't you think ? - it's what they do when they are looking for sex !

are you comparing modern Britain to a zoo then ? charming !

yellowrose · 05/02/2007 10:01

sydney - i am sorry you had such a terrible time. it sounds like you have it sorted now, which is what it is all about

RubyRioja · 05/02/2007 10:03

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yellowrose · 05/02/2007 10:04

oh, and i don't need a stick up it to get kinky

Olihan · 05/02/2007 13:58

Hi all, sorry for the gap in posts - ds2 has been in hospital with bronchiolitis, fortunately it's not a bad bout and he's home again now. He's been able to feed throughout and has put on 4 oz in 4 days so things seem to be picking up.

Will come back later when he and dd are asleep to post a bit more.

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yellowrose · 05/02/2007 15:19

good for you olihan. perhaps that's why he was feeding constantly before you went into hospital ? he was feeling poorly and wanted more comfort and more bf to help him recover. my ds always fed more when he had a cold/teething.

let's hope he continues the progress, you have done fantastically well to help him with his weight, well done

Olihan · 05/02/2007 20:45

Well, I can't say thank you enough for all the advice and support from everyone, you definitely got me through Friday night without sending dh to tesco! Being told I was doing a good job really boosted my confidence and put things into perspective a bit more.

I saw another bfc on saturday morning who spent a couple of hours with me, talking it all through, checked my latch and helped me with positioning so my arms didn't ache halfway through and showed me how to tell he was swallowing, all of which really helped too. She agreed with Mears, Aloha and Elasticwoman that his high birthweight was probably why he seemed to be gaining so slowly. She also didn't think he was tongue tied which was a relief. (Thanks for the suggestions and links though, it was good to rule another problem out.)

Saturday night ds2 was really poorly and struggling to breathe so we were sent to the hospital by the GP but luckily he didn't need oxygen so the bf wasn't affected. Yellowrose, I'm sure you're right that the constant feeding on Friday was just for comfort because he was feeling poorly.

Pregnabrain, will be using your tricks to keep him awake once he's a bit better - I feel mean doing it while he's ill!

I've got a coorie pouch sling which is a bit big so I can't feed in it yet but my mum is going to shorten it for me when she comes next week. I'm hoping by then that we will be a bit more secure with the latch and he'll be able to feed in it. Ds1 and dd will hopefully get more attention then, I'm trying not to feel guilty about them, and remember that this won't last forever.

Determination and lizbet, I'm liking the cake idea - will definitely be following that advice!

I am very much taking it a few days at a time still, I think that way I won't be setting myself up for a fall or putting too much pressure on myself. The fact that he's put on 4oz in 4 days is a big relief because he's now above his birthweight AND put on more in 4 days than he did in the last fortnight.

So, for now, bf is going well and I'm feeling 500% more positive about my ability to do it. Thank you all again, your support has been invaluable and I know I wouldn't be in this position if it wasn't for MN.

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yellowrose · 05/02/2007 21:25

oh olihan, that is one of the most lovely posts i have read here on MN ! you are doing fantastically well (excellent that you got such good support from a bfc) and your baby will be fine. he sounds like a lovely chap

mears · 05/02/2007 23:11

You sound so positive Glad that you felt supported. Hope DS gets better soon.

moondog · 05/02/2007 23:17

Fantastic Olihan.
So good to know you are feeling more optimistic and confident in yourself.

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SmileysPeople · 06/02/2007 17:35

Great to hear that Olihan. I think being positive and feeling confident are half the battle.
So whenever you need that boost again, you know where to come, MN.

I hope you're really proud of yourself, it's been really tough yet you're still sticking at it. Way to go girl!!

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