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Is there actually anything wrong with formula feeding?!

155 replies

taffy101 · 12/01/2007 21:01

Don't get me wrong, I am an avid breast feeder (fed dd till 1 and currently feeding ds), but the more I hear about people who bottle feed that their babies sleep through straight away and gain loads of weight, it makes me wonder. I believe WHO have even brought out new weight charts for bf babies, which basically puts their average weight lower than a bottle fed baby's.

I do realise all the benefits of breast feeding but once baby has all vital antibodies and mum+baby are nicely bonded, if formula milk makes for a more contented baby why has it become so demonised?

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Socci · 13/01/2007 00:30

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Socci · 13/01/2007 00:32

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Tortington · 13/01/2007 00:43

ff can sometimes be easier for the mother

hercules1 · 13/01/2007 00:50

If it's easier for the mother than it becomes "best".

Tortington · 13/01/2007 00:53

why is that? everyone knows breast is best..for the baby. sometimes mums are just not in the right emotional place and its wrong to stigmatise the choice they make

hercules1 · 13/01/2007 00:56

Best is not just about what is nutrionally better but what is best for the whole mum and baby.

Tortington · 13/01/2007 00:58

well put

hercules1 · 13/01/2007 01:00

I never enjoyed breastfeeding particularly but I didnt loathe it. If I had disliked it I wouldnt have done it no matter what all the research and evidence said and wouldnt have felt guilty.

LadyOfTheFlowers · 13/01/2007 01:01

i agree totally with that.
if the mother is not happy doing it, why do it? it wont benefit the baby much- a stressed, tense woman who is clearly not enjoying it. babies' little antennas are always switched on!

hercules1 · 13/01/2007 01:03

If you could get breast milk ready made in a bottle I'd have bought it.

Tortington · 13/01/2007 01:07

theres a profitable business idea!

can you freeze it?

LadyOfTheFlowers · 13/01/2007 01:09

my mother was rambling about 'wet nurses' the other day.
don't women in europe with lots donate it to hospitals still?
i would have bought it also if i could have. (i just simply did not produce enough following birth complications.)

chocolatekimmy · 13/01/2007 10:28

hercules1 "Breastfeeding is really for lazy mums who cant be arsed to get out of bed to sterilse and make up formula, get it to the right temp, wash it up and sterilise it again"

Thats one of the most pathetic quotes I have seen on mumsnet! You have obviously breast fed yourself so is it meant to be a joke?

I don't know any breast feeding mums who stay in bed all day and don't have to get up. What about expressing, washing up pump/bottles, sterilising that etc. Not to mention the physical drain a a breast feeding mum - hardly the lazy option!

hercules1 · 13/01/2007 11:32

Chocolatekimmy - You dont have to expres and sterilise if you are breastfeeding.

Of course I was saying it tongue in cheek. Although I do think breastfeeding is far less faff than bottlefeeding.

chocolatekimmy · 13/01/2007 12:09

Good, assumed it was but you never can be sure - would suggest you make it clear in future if its tongue in cheek.

No you don't HAVE to express if breast feeding but many women choose to for many different reasons.

hercules1 · 13/01/2007 12:13

I guess I assumed that anyone who "knows" me on here would realise I wouldnt mean that seriously.

JoolsToo · 13/01/2007 12:18

In answer to the OP as in all things it depends on the individual - even individual babies.

All my 3 were bottle fed. dd was a nightmare for the first few months (that may just have been my inexperience who knows?) but she was a very lazy feeder.

She weighed 7lbs at birth and 23lbs at 12 months so hardly a monster baby!

the two ds's were better feeders and more contented and slept better initially.

They weighed 8lbs and 8lbs 2ozs respectively and were also never large babies.

In fact all 3 have never been overweight or sicky.

As for the 'hard work' aspect of bottle feeding - I've never really 'got' that description of it, absolute doddle as far as I'm concerned, partly because dh was so involved in it.

JoolsToo · 13/01/2007 12:23

I told a lie there.

dd weighed 18lbs 4ozs 4 days before her first birthday.

ds1 weighed 22lbs 15 ozs 5 days before his.

can't find ds2's weight chart!

Aloha · 13/01/2007 12:56

But to answer the OP, yes there are risks involved in formula feeding. As I said before, there are times when the risk of continuing to breastfeed (such as when the mother has a condition meaning she is not producing sufficient milk or on immunosuppressant drugs) would put the baby are greater risk. And people make all sorts of calculations about risks and benefits in their lives. I drink too much wine and don't exercise enough, for example. I sometimes (often!) cannot face trying to force my kids to eat apples instead of biscuits, but I won't give them Angel Delight.

Anyway, re formula, these are some of the risks.
Formula feeding accounts for up to 26% of insulin dependent diabetes mellitus in children.

Otitis media (middle ear infection) is up to 3-4 times as prevalent in formula-fed infants.

US Formula fed infants have a 10 fold risk of being hospitalized for any bacterial infection.

Heart, circulatory and respiratory failure Scientists worldwide have documented higher blood pressure among formula-fed infants, as well as more apnea and episodes of oxygen desaturation, inferior body temperature regulation, less growth and longer hospital stays.

Necrotizing enterocolitis Researchers in the United Kingdom have confirmed that formula-fed infants develop necrotizing enterocolitis six to 10 times more often than breastfed babies.

Diarrhea A summary article for industrialized nations demonstrated an average of triple the risk of diarrhea for formula-fed babies. The risk in China and Israel is reported as slightly less than triple; in Scotland, the risk is five-fold; and a doubled risk is measured in Canada.

Respiratory illnesses It is clear that respiratory infections are at least triple in the United States for formula-fed infants. The death rate is likely to be even higher, since some of these studies note that both the severity and extent of respiratory illnesses are considerably higher once they occur.

Cancer A joint study between the United States and Canada on neuroblastoma, a common childhood cancer, revealed a doubled risk for children who did not receive breast milk for more than one year. This study is consistent with several other childhood cancer studies in other nations.

Low birth-weight and pre-term birth A U.S. study performed at George Washington University Hospital found 2.5 times the number of infections among formula-fed infants in the intensive care unit than among those receiving human milk. Another study at Georgetown University Medical Center also found more than double the number of infections in very low birth-weight infants not receiving human milk. A San Diego study found twice as many infections in pre-term, formula-fed infants compared with infants who received human milk.

DizzyBint · 13/01/2007 13:09

my poor dd had breastmilk laced with curry from day one, and now the poor child is 8 months she is given it for tea. poor unfortunate thing. in fact, she had it inflicted on her through the umbilical cord before she was born. how dare i?

hercules1 · 13/01/2007 13:11

Dizzy - you've stored up years of problems for yourself there.

Sterny · 13/01/2007 13:35

On the sleeping through the night issue I fed my baby EBM in a bottle for the first 12 weeks of his life and the first time I gave him some formula I thought he would sleep longer, but he didn't!

Twinklemegan · 13/01/2007 16:47

Aloha - that's a pretty scary set of statistics. I am interested though in how much of this increased risk could be down to other demographic factors. eg it has always been my perception (trying to word this very carefully) that the less well off/less well-educated in this country TEND to bottle feed. Those sectors of the population often have more problems with getting healthy balanced diets and there may be an issue in some cases with hygiene procedures etc. God it's impossible to put that in a non-offensive way. Being a failed breastfeeder I am now bottle feeding so I hope no one will take it as being offensive, but do you see what I'm getting at?

Aloha · 13/01/2007 19:30

I agree that there is likely to be a demographic issue there with some of the stats, but the diabetes link, to name but one, is all to do with the properties of breastmilk. The regulation of blood pressure is, I think, also because of the difference between the feeding and not the other health factors.
I mixed fed my first baby and I was unaware of any of this, or that formula too soon would eliminate significant benefits of breastfeeding. I would have liked to have known, even if that knowledge is uncomfortable for me now. I think knowing more made me more determined with dd, despite having problems including mastitis and severe pain initially. I'm NOT saying that I am better than anyone else, just that I know from my own experience that knowing more can affect your decision to persevere or not.

Caligula · 13/01/2007 19:45

Totally agree with Aloha here, I look back at what I actually knew about BF with DD and know that I would have behaved differently with the benefit of more information. Hence my slight obsession with the lack of real knowledge about BF that most people in our culture have.

Re the demographic issue, I think when they are doing research on health issues they try and factor in the other variables such as smoking etc.