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I think this is the end of breastfeeding and I just dont know what to do

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cestfini · 03/03/2016 10:56

I have name changed for this, because I am ashamed I suppose. (Rationally, this is irrational, i know).

My son is 20 weeks old. Breastfed since birth. Weight gain tapered off from 8 weeks or so. Not the real issue. The issue is this.

Over the past 2 months he has become a nightmare to feed. Gradually he has weaned himself off any position he was previously happy in. We started off with feeds in any which way, any posituion, any place. Cradle hold at the M1 service station? Sure. Biological recline position in inlaws bedroom? Totally. Side lying at home on a lazy Sunday? Why not? Koala bear hug at a cafe on a rainy morning? Loved it.

But then come 3 months, things began to change. He started getting more and more restless and fidgety. We lost the rugby hold first thing. I put it down to his long legs. Then we lost the cradle hold or really any hold across my body - he starts twisting his entire torso and head away from me towards even a dark wall and starts screaming. So we lost the cradle hold. I started calling the NCT breastfeeding helpline every day. Every single day. I think I know the names of at least 23 NCT breastfeeding cousnellors by now. They kept running out of suggestions.

Warm bath. Feeding in a dimly lit room. Duvet day in bed naked. No distractions. Co sleeping at night. The only position we got left with was - side lying with me on his left for both boobs, upstairs in our bedroom. He would feed this way every 2 hours or so, and even then there has been endless twisting away from me.

At this point, you may think about silent reflux, other digestive issues, wind, thrush, tongue tie. I have seen our IBCLC (the only one in my county) twice. The GP 5 times. The health visitor nearly every week. Baby brasseries to get feeds observed. but what feeds observed? He wont feed if I hold him. I even lay down with my boobs out on the floor of a baby brasserie to do the only remaining side lying position but no. A cranial osteopath. Nobody knows why he refuses to take the breast.

I tried mixed feeding. Could never work out when to give him how much formula. I call the NCT line and ask for advice on mixed feeding and I hear the same sentence "wish we could wave a magic wand" - but in the end every day becomes this relentless saga of not knowing what to offer breast or bottle when and how.

Its almost like he does not wish to eat. He is otherwise okay, Hovers between 25th and 9th, born on 50th, poos wees develops okay, smiles etc - except when I hold him.

Hardly naps. 5 or 10 mins tops.

I cant do this. I cry all the time because every day is this relentless stint of going upstairs to lie in bed for him to eat every 2 hours, he lets go in 3-5 minutes and naps for 10 mins and grizzles constantly.

NCT helpline asks me "what is your ideal scenario"? My answer is - that he would breastfeed downstairs, or upstairs, maybe 6-8 times a day, maybe even take a bottle at night. That I would not need to feel scared of holding my son into positions that will lead to pushing me away and shouting.

I think this is the end. The real aim was to do 6 months breastfeeding and then morning and night feeds for a couple more months. But I am crying every single day. Every single time I try to feed him. I do not know where to begin. They say "replace each feed". But how? Do I make up 2 ounces for a feed? Every 2 hours? How do i begin?

I have failed. I truly have. And you know what? Not with any of the "usual" issues. Tongue tie, pain, (never ever had pain), supply (enough milk to feed two), nothing. Its like as he grew taller and taller, 3 months onwards this baby has gradually basically started rejecting the breast one by one we have gone through positions.

I thought I would keep all breastfeeds between say 8 pm-8 am (Currently that means a dream feed at 10 pm, and breastfeeds at 3, 5 and 7 am) and do bottles for the rest. But I cant figure out how much and when. What will satisfy him. I go back to work 1st of May.

If someone can help me do at least that i.e. tell me (literally tell me, yes the magic wand is required) - when to offer how much to him and still keep my supply for a while for mornign and nights without going bat shit crazy, I will be indebted.

I am really beginning to dread waking up, dread feeding him. He is 20 weeks on Saturday and weighs 6.5 kilos. He is 71 cms tall.

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Smartiepants79 · 03/03/2016 21:01

Others have said it but I'll add my bit.
My Dd could easily finish a feed in under 10 minutes but the time she was 3/4 months.
I think you've had lots of good advice and hope that it's cracked it!
Good luck.

Coconut0il · 03/03/2016 21:04

No expert advice but just wanted you to know that my 6 month old DS only feeds for about 5 mins at a time. I do offer him the breast if he's ever a bit niggly but he will turn away and look around more often now.
If I have been away from him for a few hours he will feed for longer when I get back.
Stop thinking you are a failure. You are not.

poocatcherchampion · 03/03/2016 21:15

This is one of the best threads I'm so happy for you op! Carry on! Xxx

iamtotallyserious · 03/03/2016 21:31

What a lovely thread. I was going to respond (having had three babies who feed very speedily and been incredibly freaked out the first time) that ten minutes can absolutely be enough time and that the distractability thing is normal at his age. So thrilled to see the amazing TikTok come in with some lovely words of wisdom. She has given me so much help over the years (me under different names no doubt!). I EBF the first two for 16/17 months.

My youngest is 12 weeks and unless it is at night when he tends to feed for a bit longer, he empties a breast within 5-8 minutes. I think I produce a bit more than he needs and my let down is aggressive - I can hear him glugging down the milk and though not so bad now sometimes he coughs and splutters.

I hope you are feeling better about everything - I know how all consuming the worry can be. Your son looks gorgeous btw.

HisBowtieIsReallyACamera · 03/03/2016 21:32

Glad you are all sorted Smile
I was just about to pop on and agree that demand feeding was the way to go, every two hours might be too often and yes, they do get more efficient at feeding and can get all they need in 5-10 minutes. Also the twisting away/fighting it might be tiredness rather than hunger.

FraterculaArctica · 03/03/2016 21:36

Glad you are feeling better about things. This just reminded me that my DS did the 5-10 min feeding thing... from the age of 3 days!! I was all set up for a newborn to feed for 40 mins plus, every hour - and he just wouldn't! That was also stressful Smile

HisBowtieIsReallyACamera · 03/03/2016 21:40

My DS2 is 16 months now, but I think at that age I put him down for his first nap no later than 09:30 then a second one about 13:00 ish. And he could probably have done with a 3rd one late afternoon but would never take it! Used to nap for exactly 40 minutes each time...
Now he has one afternoon nap, usually 1.5 to 2 hours but today he had 3 hours - to make up for waking up at 04:30 I presume Hmm

FusionChefGeoff · 03/03/2016 21:46

I Fecking love Mumsnet! So many times I see posters solve a problem which the OP didn't even realise she had (usually in relationships) and here we have the opposite but still amazing result! I was really moved by the emotion in your OP and I was sad that anyone could feel that anxious or that consumed about feeding. But hey, what a turn around and such a simple fix Grin I am delighted for you and your adorable baby.

I also remember being quite annoyed when feeds didn't last a full episode of Hollyoaks - and, yup, by 5/6 months I barely had time to get comfy before he'd finished!

DorothyBastard · 03/03/2016 21:52

Your baby is gorgeous!

Can I ask, in the early weeks did you get a lot of letdown pain? I am currently feeding my second baby and both times I got the most toe curling pain for the first 30 seconds of every feed (for the first few weeks). I think it's because my letdown is so strong and the milk would just gush out at a million miles a second.

Both my DCs were really efficient feeders and would empty both breasts in 10/15 mins max (5 mins or so each side). They are both on the 75th centile.

Some babies just bolt it down Smile

motherigloo · 03/03/2016 21:53

Cest - I struggled big time with breastfeeding and ended up giving up and switching to formula at 5 months. Felt horrible about it at first but it was absolutely the right decision for us.

My DS was a 'snacker'. He had long feeds at first but by 4 months he was def done in 5-10 minutes. Sometimes less. When we switched to formula I was able to see how much he was getting and how quickly. His friends would nurse an 6oz for 20/30 mins. I kid you not, my DS was done in around 2 minutes. He is now 17 months and drinks his bedtime cup of milk in less than a minute. Conclusion ; he's a guzzler!!

Like others have said, 5 minutes might be enough! I had slight over supply and a very fast flow which I think meant my DS has to adapt to guzzling quite quickly. Perhaps yours is the same.

Good luck :-) I'm glad things are looking up!

daisydalrymple · 03/03/2016 21:55

Having seen tiktok has been on, I will not bother adding anything, as wont do it as knowledgeably Grin but am shamelessly place marking so this appears in my threads I'm on list so I can gaze at your gorgeous boy again!!

You know that phrase they look drunk full after a feed?? I think you got there in 5 mins flat Grin 40% proof BM for sure.

Good luck op hope it's a lot more relaxing and enjoyable now for you both xx

cestfini · 03/03/2016 22:01

ahh what lovely replies!! I hope it lasts - (both my sanity and his feeding) - currently he's been sleeping upstairs since 7 pm. Yes it could be fatigue over tiredness, genuine dislike of certain positions and of course being forced to eat too often.

I never got letdown pain btw i never had any pain at all. I never feel letdown, just that i see a pool of milk dropping into my cleavage from unused boob when he is feeding from the other boob side lying.

Thanks for saying he is gorgeous! He's got two races mixing in him and has the most lovely skin if i may say so!

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cestfini · 03/03/2016 22:19

Night night and here's a bonus pic for helping us!

I think this is the end of breastfeeding and I just dont know what to do
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chaosagain · 03/03/2016 22:22

Beautiful baby!! My dc2 was also a bolter, just to add to the throng of others. Dc1 was totally different and fed for AGES each time.
The bolter has always been 50th centile weight and 90th for length. He was usually done breastfeeding in 5 mins.
He's 4 now and he eats in a pretty similar way - he's always finished before his big sister and puts away quite a lot of food!
You have a gorgeous baby who is ebf. Well done! Hope feeding gets less stressful from here..

iamtotallyserious · 03/03/2016 22:28

Not wishing to divert the thread but interesting about let down pain someone mentioned above - I had this with all three, progressively worse with each baby. It was seriously painful at every feed with this baby and I still have it now sometimes, and he is 12 weeks. Wonder if there is any correlation to fast let down... muses

TakesTwoToTango · 04/03/2016 09:50

Aw! He's adorable! I hope things go smoothly today Smile

cestfini · 04/03/2016 15:14

Well here's the update. So I let him be - I decided I won't offer him milk anymore.

He woke up at 5:30 am and played by himself and asked for milk at 6.

Since then he's asked every 3 hours and has had lovely feeds - no struggling - 13-20 mins in length at 6, 9, 12 and 3.

We have played gone to the park with our dog and I've even managed to answer work emails as part of my journey towards resuming!!

I feel light. Free.

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JassyRadlett · 04/03/2016 15:27

I'm so pleased to read your update and that the change has been so fast and so complete - for both of you. You sound like a huge weight has been lifted. Smile

That sounds like a pretty perfect day.

figginz · 04/03/2016 15:27

Amazing Smile
Go Mumsnet. And go you, cest(pas)fini

FreeButtonBee · 04/03/2016 15:41

Ahhh, that made me a little bit teary.

I think it's hard to move from that period when you have to anticipate their every need to letting them call the shots more. Every step along the way is a bit like this - learning to trust them and not force things.

NickyEds · 04/03/2016 15:56

Smile You'll here on here over and over again that the hard work of bf is front loaded so the first few weeks are very hard but from then on it's easier- sounds like you've cracked it op!

About the let down pain: I ever had pain as such but could feel the "rush" of milk in the boob not being fed on in the first couple of months. When it disappeared I was certain it meant dd wasn't getting any milk. I got horrible after pains when I had a let down for a week after dd was born though, really painful.

icklekid · 04/03/2016 17:07

I'm so happy you sound so much more relaxed and relieved! Long may it continue 😀

Whatdoidohelp · 04/03/2016 17:10

Well done!

Bounced · 04/03/2016 17:27

My babies both liked the 6, 9, 12, 3, 6 schedule and fell into it naturally. not place marking for cute, milk-drunk baby pix, oh no

cestfini · 04/03/2016 17:38

Thanks everyone! Last pic on the thread as a going out thank you!

I think this is the end of breastfeeding and I just dont know what to do
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