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I think this is the end of breastfeeding and I just dont know what to do

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cestfini · 03/03/2016 10:56

I have name changed for this, because I am ashamed I suppose. (Rationally, this is irrational, i know).

My son is 20 weeks old. Breastfed since birth. Weight gain tapered off from 8 weeks or so. Not the real issue. The issue is this.

Over the past 2 months he has become a nightmare to feed. Gradually he has weaned himself off any position he was previously happy in. We started off with feeds in any which way, any posituion, any place. Cradle hold at the M1 service station? Sure. Biological recline position in inlaws bedroom? Totally. Side lying at home on a lazy Sunday? Why not? Koala bear hug at a cafe on a rainy morning? Loved it.

But then come 3 months, things began to change. He started getting more and more restless and fidgety. We lost the rugby hold first thing. I put it down to his long legs. Then we lost the cradle hold or really any hold across my body - he starts twisting his entire torso and head away from me towards even a dark wall and starts screaming. So we lost the cradle hold. I started calling the NCT breastfeeding helpline every day. Every single day. I think I know the names of at least 23 NCT breastfeeding cousnellors by now. They kept running out of suggestions.

Warm bath. Feeding in a dimly lit room. Duvet day in bed naked. No distractions. Co sleeping at night. The only position we got left with was - side lying with me on his left for both boobs, upstairs in our bedroom. He would feed this way every 2 hours or so, and even then there has been endless twisting away from me.

At this point, you may think about silent reflux, other digestive issues, wind, thrush, tongue tie. I have seen our IBCLC (the only one in my county) twice. The GP 5 times. The health visitor nearly every week. Baby brasseries to get feeds observed. but what feeds observed? He wont feed if I hold him. I even lay down with my boobs out on the floor of a baby brasserie to do the only remaining side lying position but no. A cranial osteopath. Nobody knows why he refuses to take the breast.

I tried mixed feeding. Could never work out when to give him how much formula. I call the NCT line and ask for advice on mixed feeding and I hear the same sentence "wish we could wave a magic wand" - but in the end every day becomes this relentless saga of not knowing what to offer breast or bottle when and how.

Its almost like he does not wish to eat. He is otherwise okay, Hovers between 25th and 9th, born on 50th, poos wees develops okay, smiles etc - except when I hold him.

Hardly naps. 5 or 10 mins tops.

I cant do this. I cry all the time because every day is this relentless stint of going upstairs to lie in bed for him to eat every 2 hours, he lets go in 3-5 minutes and naps for 10 mins and grizzles constantly.

NCT helpline asks me "what is your ideal scenario"? My answer is - that he would breastfeed downstairs, or upstairs, maybe 6-8 times a day, maybe even take a bottle at night. That I would not need to feel scared of holding my son into positions that will lead to pushing me away and shouting.

I think this is the end. The real aim was to do 6 months breastfeeding and then morning and night feeds for a couple more months. But I am crying every single day. Every single time I try to feed him. I do not know where to begin. They say "replace each feed". But how? Do I make up 2 ounces for a feed? Every 2 hours? How do i begin?

I have failed. I truly have. And you know what? Not with any of the "usual" issues. Tongue tie, pain, (never ever had pain), supply (enough milk to feed two), nothing. Its like as he grew taller and taller, 3 months onwards this baby has gradually basically started rejecting the breast one by one we have gone through positions.

I thought I would keep all breastfeeds between say 8 pm-8 am (Currently that means a dream feed at 10 pm, and breastfeeds at 3, 5 and 7 am) and do bottles for the rest. But I cant figure out how much and when. What will satisfy him. I go back to work 1st of May.

If someone can help me do at least that i.e. tell me (literally tell me, yes the magic wand is required) - when to offer how much to him and still keep my supply for a while for mornign and nights without going bat shit crazy, I will be indebted.

I am really beginning to dread waking up, dread feeding him. He is 20 weeks on Saturday and weighs 6.5 kilos. He is 71 cms tall.

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villainousbroodmare · 03/03/2016 14:58

If it's of any interest to you, this is our schedule. It works magically well for us. We were very freestyle but this is better. It took a bit of gnaaah gnaahh nggggh to achieve but it works well. I find that it gives me or DM or DH or whoever is doing it the confidence to be sure that what we are doing is appropriate... it takes away that "I wonder is he really tired?... could he be hungry? aargh aaaargh etc"
6am drowsy co-sleeping bf
7am up
9am nap
10am feed (plus solids as DS is older than yours)
12.30 nap
2pm feed
4pm nap
6pm feed
7pm bed
10pm dreamfeed
2am feed if he wakes. Usually does.

FreeButtonBee · 03/03/2016 15:00

Agree with waiting longer between feeds and that he might have got super efficient by now. My DS has an awful cold and feeding very badly. He fed for 3mins yesterday, choked on his own snot 🙄😱 and coughed up time whole feed. It was a LAKE of milk!!

TiredMummy2015 · 03/03/2016 15:01

5 min feeds can be plenty! Both of mine have only ever fed for a couple of minutes at a time. Both thrived. I agree that every two hours is a lot at 20 weeks. My 15 week can go 3-4 hours between feeds.

cestfini · 03/03/2016 15:09

Gosh from that schedule I'm trying to feed him way too much.... Okay let me revisit this over the weekend, before i throw in the BF towel (literally) 4 weeks earlier than what I aimed

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tiktok · 03/03/2016 15:12

I wonder if what has happened is this:

Your baby started a perfectly normal and typical behavioural stage at three months. He did not need or want to spend much time on the breast. He got what he needed nutrionally in a few mins.

This freaked you out ( it freaks out many mothers).

You tried to persuade him to eat more.

He resisted.

You tried harder.

He resisted more.

You kept trying. You switched positions. You begged him :) . Feeding sessions became tearful and stressed.

This thing has gone on about eight weeks but you have tried something new and/or called someone and/or seen someone at least once or twice every day in that time and feeds are still stressed and tense.

I absolutely agree with the idea of feeding him on his cues. Not on a schedule. On his cues. Give him back the initiative and let him learn feeding is not a nervous, distressing, stressed time.

He's growing just fine. Let him set the pace. Relax and make the atmosphere relaxed and responsive.

Try this for several days so he gets used to the change.

Five minute or even two minute feeds can be fine.

What do you think?

cestfini · 03/03/2016 15:12

Here he is after his five minute feed saying thank you to you lot.

I think this is the end of breastfeeding and I just dont know what to do
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poocatcherchampion · 03/03/2016 15:13

My 4mo is like this too.

It is just a phase. I've ridden it out twice before.

On off jiggle around. Feed to sleep is a joke. He likes to scream to sleep Hmm
And he doesn't bend to fit anymore.

But he is cute.

Press on op. You are doing fine Flowers

poocatcherchampion · 03/03/2016 15:14

Fed to sleep? Don't show off now!
Fab job!!!

Sleepybunny · 03/03/2016 15:16

My DD2 is like this, she's just over 3 months. Fusses and refuses feeds. She loves arching her back and screaming as soon as her nose touches nipple. We call it the 'banana baby'
It's hugely stressful and I feel like I've failed too even though she's ebf too. I think it's because I had romantic images of cosy cuddly feeds while she played with my hair and I gazed into her eyes. That would obviously be my reward for all the painful cluster feeds in the early days. Hmm

cestfini · 03/03/2016 15:16

Yes tiktok that is what happened perhaps.... Thanks to myself and baby

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villainousbroodmare · 03/03/2016 15:18

www.babycentre.co.uk/a9136/how-much-formula-milk-does-my-baby-need

We offer 120-150ml from a bottle or sippy cup for the daytime feeds. It's almost never finished but he's so much keener since my excessively kind-hearted DM and DH stopped trailing around after him with sups of milk and titbits of food, in the manner of an over-attentive waiter proffering unwanted canapés!

Grin at poor little Freebuttonbeebaby and the lake of milk!

villainousbroodmare · 03/03/2016 15:20

He is absolutely gorgeous btw, Cestfini.

Niceteeth · 03/03/2016 15:21

Just wanted to say he's gorgeous! My 15 week old is a fast and efficient feeder as well, 5 minutes is usual for him. Keep up the good work.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 03/03/2016 15:22

This might be useful
kellymom.com/ages/older-infant/distractible-baby/

This suggests that the birth experience for the baby may have an impact though it sounds as though this is only a relatively recent development
www.lalecheleague.org/ba/aug00.html

My DD was a very poor feeder, not as bad as yours sounds but she started teething at 4 months and things got very difficult.

Have you started weaning onto solids? How is that going?

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 03/03/2016 15:25

Oh he's beautiful, look at those lovely dimples - he looks well fed, really Smile

Ignore my post, I completely missed that you are feeding every 2 hours. You must be knackered.

tiktok · 03/03/2016 15:28

Hope things go better for you, OP.

I am dismayed at the lack of help you got from the seventy billion people you spoke to :(

Did no one suggest your ds was in fact doing fine and behaving normally? I mean.....this whole scenario (healthy baby starts apparently refusing breast after short feeds only at about three months) is common and normal. The fix is to stop fighting it.

NB: this is different from nursing strike.

figginz · 03/03/2016 15:30

You poor things. He's gorgeous by the way. You have already had lots of fab advice so I'm just sending you a chin up. Hope you get back to happy feeds. I had a baby who liked to go on nursing strikes when teething or when I was due my period so I understand how anxious and sad you feel. Flowers

mrsjskelton · 03/03/2016 15:35

YOU HAVE NOT FAILED! 20 weeks is fantastic and a lot more than so many mothers can manage. 6 months is only 6 weeks away so I think you can call that an amazing achievement Thanks

JassyRadlett · 03/03/2016 15:43

Oh, yay Mumsnet, and boo to the lack of support you've had.

Both my boys were/are super-efficient feeders. I've had HVs telling me that DS2 couldn't possibly be getting enough milk on such a short feed, before they watched him. And then weighed him and saw he's sticking to the 91st centile (he's above 99.8 for length).

Hope everything gets easier. DS2 is a distractable nightmare to feed at the moment unless he's super hungry. He's 18 weeks, I think.

cestfini · 03/03/2016 16:07

He woke up played and rooted. We went upstairs and he Hungrily had a 8 minute feed (both breasts) and is back to playing now. Normally (before this thread today) this is when I would be trying to get him to feed more/different positions/crying/calling NCT

But I have let him be and he is now laughing at our little dog play with her ball and saying glaaaa gloo and blowing spit bubbles

We will see how this goes and I will post back.

Thanks Mumsnet

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dannydyerismydad · 03/03/2016 16:52

You sound so much more relaxed already. I'm smiling. I hope you are too x

villainousbroodmare · 03/03/2016 18:04

Ah, great. Give him a big old cuddle from us.

PenguinsAreAce · 03/03/2016 18:35

Aw, he is gorgeous! Look what a happy contented baby. You are doing really well, what a great mum you are.

Sometimes we all get a bit too wound up about something. It happens.

Fingers crossed you have the root of this issue now. and stop timing him feed please

NickyEds · 03/03/2016 20:34

I had something similar to this with my dd. I was utterly convinced I was starving her, despite her weight being fine....and being alert and happy....and having lots of wet and dirty nappies! She would just fuss at the beast, arch her back, bat her hands etc whenever I tried to feed her. I was sure I had supply issues, bad latch, the lot. Turns out some 5 month olds don't feed every two hours! Someone wise on here (probably TikTok Wink) said that a 5 month old can be trusted to take what they need. I wasn't feeding her on demand I was demanding she feed and it was clearly pissing her off ! I think a bit of me almost couldn't believe it was that easy (ds was hard to feed)and I really could just put her on the boob for 5 or so minutes every 4 hours!

cestfini · 03/03/2016 20:52

Yes that is it. I can't believe (still) that he's done in 5-10 mins tops. Although he had ONE half an hour eyes shut feed before bed today!

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