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Night feeders thread part 3 - Up all night feeding? Come join! [title edited by MNHQ]

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mrsmugoo · 08/07/2014 20:45

Part 3!

Quick recap - DS, 17 weeks, EBF (stubborn little bottle refuser), crap sleeper! Super knackered Mummy, surviving on 1-2 hour sleeps :(

So I am hoping for a better night tonight seeing as bedtime went smoothly. Last night was hideous and I've eaten a twirl, a bounty and a salted caramel brownie today just to get through the day!

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mrsmugoo · 12/07/2014 04:36

First feed!!!

Went from 7:30 - 4:15!

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Batmam · 12/07/2014 04:48

Wow! He must've sensed you weren't there

Batmam · 12/07/2014 05:07

Johull how was the rest of your night, did she wake again? Hope it was just a top up to help her sleep through.

Snap bluebird, I've been worried about him all day and waking him for feeds in case he's ill. Especially since all his feeding yesterday increased my supply, I'm a poor man's Dolly Parton once again and desperate to offload!

puggywug81 · 12/07/2014 05:58

Well done Kate and mrsmugoo!

Cariad the bus/pram incident must have been terrifying, hope you are ok.

Going to meet a pregnant friend in Manchester for a catch up today, our first proper one since I had Fin,excites but nervous at having to get a boob out in public,when I'm with oh I usually feed Fin in the car.

Cannotbelieveit · 12/07/2014 06:41

Great news Mrs!!

We got just under 8.5hours here Grin

KateTheShrew · 12/07/2014 07:48

mugoo 7.30-4.15 is amazing! You must be so happy. I really might have to give your spare room plan a whirl.

We had an AWFUL night, at least at the beginning. We'd been out nearly all day so he was really tired and conked out at 8 without his usual bedtime feed. Woke at nine and fed and went back down easily. Then woke again at midnight, fed... And SCREAMED. He would fall asleep in my arms but wake screaming as soon as he touched the cot no matter how long I had held him for.

Poor DH tried rocking and shushing several times to give me a break but he just screamed even louder!! Apparently only mummy would do Hmm

I finally got him back to sleep at 1.15 and then he (and I) slept until 6.15. That's actually quite a long stretch for him, and even more impressive since he hadn't fed properly since midnight. But what was all the screaming for?!

Am a bit concerned that he's suddenly refusing to settle for DH, he loves his daddy usually! I'm going out for lunch tomorrow and leaving them alone for a couple hours to try to get him used to me being away. Here's hoping it's not a disaster!

TwentiethCenturyGirl · 12/07/2014 08:24

Puggy - if you're really worried about feeding out and about, Selfridges have two comfy feeding areas by the baby change stations. Admittedly they're in the ladies loos, but they're in little private areas and don't smell and have comfy seats. I'll feed in most places in the city centre but often use them because DD can get distracted when in public!

Fantastic news MrsM - hope you feel like a new woman today Smile

mrsmugoo · 12/07/2014 08:40

Morning everyone - DS came in with me at 6 as he was shuffling around but didn't feed him and he settled next to me until 7:30.

I'm so chuffed we seem to have made a breakthrough with him!

My DH bless him, stayed up nearly all night watching the baby monitor and has diligently logged his every move - apparently he woke up a good 5 or 6 times but each time took anything from 2-15 minutes to fall back asleep by himself.

DH woke me in the spare room at 2:30 to ask me if we needed to wake him for a feed because it was way past 1am (which was the minimum I said I wanted) but I said no way, never wake a sleeping baby. So i went back to sleep in our room and he didn't wake and grizzle until 4:15.

Batman Re: the self soothing. I don't think you can actually "teach" a baby to self soothe, they just have to get their by themselves. However what I did was give him the opportunity to do so, and then consistently make him do it every single time. so once I knew he could do it, that was it - no rocking, shushing, patting, walking, bouncing etc… It's into the cot and over to you.
How I did this - controversially I let him CIO/CC. I had tried other methods such as Pick Up/Put Down, Shush/Pat and Gradual Retreat but the first two sent him into a massive rage and I'm not sure he's arsed if I'm next to him or not so that had no effect whatsoever. Putting him down, letting him cry and bit and just waiting for him to sort himself out worked very quickly. Literally I started last Friday, we had about half an hour of crying at the start, by Sunday night I could put him down and it would be 2 mins of grizzle and off he'd drift. The key though was him finding his fingers to suck on. If he's struggling, I can now guide shove his fingers into his mouth for him.

Re: him sensing I'm not in the room. I'm not even sure that's the case. Me being in the spare room was for my benefit really, so that each time he woke and got himself back off to sleep it wouldn't wake me. Just like the self settling - I think he just needed the opportunity to fall back asleep by himself rather than intervention by me.

Johull It's so hard isn't it - believe me, I know!
I can't remember how old you said your little one is? But I remember that she's teeny tiny. I mean this in the nicest possible way, but I think you really need to lower your expectations and accept that frequent wakings are normal and to be expected and don't do your own head in over them.

There's every possibility that she is hungry after 2 hours (annoying though that might be to a very tired Mummy!) as breastmilk is digested in 90 minutes and their tummies are so small at the start. Also to really just accept that it's not a linear process - you won't necessarily see progress night on night. You will have good nights and bad nights and it won't be related to anything you've done.

I had minimum 3 wakings/feeds a night until well past 3 months and then a blissful 2 weeks with only 2 wakings and I thought I'd cracked it! Then came 4 month regression and it was back to waking every 2 hours through the night (that's 2 hours form wake up to wake up, not from out down to wake up). Up until recently I just accepted it and ploughed on. It has only recently really started to do my head in as by 4 months most babies are starting to stretch their sleep out.

The best advice I can offer is to concentrate on coping strategies. Mine were - 1) going to bed with the baby if you can, to capitalise on every bit of sleep. I have gone to bed at the same time as the baby almost every single night for 4 months, even sometimes at 7:30 2) getting your DP to take baby first thing in the morning so you can get another hour or sleep 3) taking any help you can get in the day (e.g. GPs) so you can catch up on sleep in the day 4) if you can, (I have never been able to) then express milk and get your DP to do a night feed by bottle

Ooh epic post, guess who's actually had some sleep!

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FrankelandFilly · 12/07/2014 09:21

I'd just add to what mrsm has so wisely said that babies go through growth spurts every 3-4 weeks for the first 6 months so they really do get hungry more often at these times. It's not easy, but you really do just have to ride it out.

We had a better night last night and we both slept till 7.45am Grin we still had several wake ups, but nowhere near as bad as previous nights so I'm hoping that we might be coming out the other side of the 4 month regression. I'm not counting my chickens though!

johull · 12/07/2014 10:45

She is 7.5 weeks and is 7lb as she was 6 weeks early!

She woke at 12:40, 3:15 and 6:00 and 8:45. I also think she has her day and might mixed up as she sleeping soooo much during the day. I have just told DH that we need to lower out me expectations. I think it's because when she first came home (2 weeks old) she used to wake at 2/3 and then 6/7 and that was it. We've had a terrible few weeks and it's really getting me down. I can't see any lightConfused

johull · 12/07/2014 10:55

Mrs- how old is your LO?

mrsmugoo · 12/07/2014 12:19

He's 4 months today! (17 weeks)

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mrsmugoo · 12/07/2014 13:25

Oh gosh she is teeny tiny! Those wake ups sound perfectly reasonable though for a 7 week old.

It does take a while for babies to sort out their day and night - do you keep her in dark/quiet/no talking at night and bright/chirpy etc in day?

I've never had to deal with too much sleeping in the day as he's never really been a day time sleeper but you could wake her up after 2-3 hours to ensure she does her longer sleeps at night?

Just keep on trucking! My friend's baby was 6 weeks prem too - she's 12 weeks and sleeping 6/7 hours at a time at night now.

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Cariad007 · 12/07/2014 14:36

DS got up about 2-3 times in the night but dropped off pretty quick after each feed. I however could not, and in the end DP took him at around 5.30 and kept him for a few hours. I went to the gym and to the beautician so DS was with DP all morning and behaved himself. They went for a long walk and he took a bottle of EBM with no problem. I've now just fed him to sleep so hopefully he will nap for a couple of hours. I only wish he would take a bottle of EBM at night but no luck yet, and also he seems to need the comfort of me in order to sleep.

Hang in there johull, DS was a nightmare for the first couple months - if he wasn't feeding or sleeping he was crying, and he had colic every evening too. It does get better!

mrsmugoo · 12/07/2014 19:41

Evening just checking on for the night.

DS is down and I'm home alone tonight. I'm sleeping in the spare room with the baby monitor tonight as a dress rehearsal for him going in his own room.

Who knows how this will go!

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Cariad007 · 12/07/2014 19:42

Fed DS to sleep and tried a crib transfer but nope, he woke up as soon as we laid him down and started crying. Feeding him again now...

puggywug81 · 12/07/2014 21:36

Thanks twentieth, it's just because Fin won't stay on, he let's go to smile, look around, gurgle etc so everyone gets to see my nipple multiple times!

FrankelandFilly · 12/07/2014 21:47

Not that I think breastfeeding mothers should cover up, but have you thought about using a cover puggy? A friend of mine has one of these.

missbluebird · 12/07/2014 21:52

I have that exact one! I did use it all the time but now my DS gets too distracted by the spots. I have also got less bothered about covering up as time has gone on.

Cannotbelieveit · 12/07/2014 22:25

Hope it goes well again MrsM!!

Ryder has been asleep about 40 mins, hoping for another good night as lots to do tomorrow!

Yorkie78 · 12/07/2014 23:11

4mnth regression hits. What fun. Been trying for 5 hrs to get dd to sleep. How long does this last?! Good luck everyone.

tertle · 13/07/2014 03:03

Hello, can I join please? Smile

Dd is 17 weeks old on Monday and not sleeping very well! I'm currently up with her for the 5th or 6th time tonight. We're on holiday and it's hot so maybe that's it? Although she doesn't sleep much better at home. Yawn, I'm exhausted! Hope everyone else is having a better night...?!

Cannotbelieveit · 13/07/2014 05:58

Welcome tertle! The heat definitely doesn't help! I struggle sleeping in he myself!

Ryder managed 7hrs 45 again so that now makes it 2 weeks of the longest stretch being @ hours and shortest 5.5, so ladies am I still allowed to be on the thread?! I'm just waiting for 4 month regression I'm sure!! He's 10 weeks now so I will make the most of it whilst I can Grin

johull · 13/07/2014 06:14

Cannot- I envy you!!! Well done in dude you deserve a good time and that you've hit rock bottom too. Your 10 week old baby gives me hope for my 7 week old baby although she's actually 1 week corrected so ill prob have to wait longer for my 'good nights' if they even exist.

Hmm I had a better night but bit great. She went to sleep at 11:30 and was go at 2:15 and 5:30. I like that there's inky been two get ups but they take ages. Her tiny mouth take 45/50mins to drink 150ml EBM.

that reminds me in starting to breastfeed again after being told to stop because if get size and issues with her latch and weight kids etc. It's been two weeks- I hope she's ready now although I know feeds will only be longer. God help me.

johull · 13/07/2014 06:35

Mrs- I am keen to know what you think about going back to BF after a 2 week break. I've just read on another thread about your horrific journey- I admire people who go through all that and still pursue BF.