Oh, for the love of all things holy, can't there ever be a programme made about breastfeeding that has normal bloody women on it?!

[hunkermunker]

Not this month...

LOL. I have a bi-cornuate uterus. Wonder if there's a pattern on the web for me??

normal Bf isn't interesting.

the vast majority of people who watch these programmes aren't there to be educated they are their for the circus that is being shown.

the producers of these films just want people to be so disugusted they discuss it and terefore more people watch.

if it was a nice ordinary woman whose hubby worked 9-5 and she was happily feeding her 10 month old....who would want to watch that?
Well probably a good deal of new mother's but we just don't count high enough do we!

Anyone else find it annoying that these parenting systems always require money to work? None of the women featured in that programme had to work - they all survived on a single income (the husband's). That's just not an option in London! Expressing milk at work just isn't an option for everyone, so for most of us it's BF during maternity leave, plus maybe an extra month if you can express enough to freeze a month's supply (tall order).
And what sort of sane person would practise 'evacuation communication'? Is putting a baby in nappies really considered so tyrannical??

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Missed this programme and am quite glad by the sounds of it... My son's just pooed on my kitchen floor - am I now a different type of parent?!

NB - not all teachers crap, I'm quite nice really...

henno - most of the third world dont use nappies dont think that makes them any less sane than us westerners - just different! I didnt find out about ecing until ds was too old to really have a go properly, but will definately be trying for any other babies. I use cloth nappies so the cost issue isnt so bad for me (although if it saves me a load of nappy washing a week then Ill be happy , but for someone who uses dispos the temptation to save money must surely be a reason to give it a go if things are tight?

terramum, why would you not use nappies? Is it purely cost or is there a motivation otherwise?

I bet 99.99999% of people in developing countries would use nappies if they were available/affordable.

Poo smeared kitchen floor??? That is simply disgusting! And "Wherever she goes, she makes the secret code noise then dangles her baby over a flower patch" She drops baby poo in people's flower beds??? WTF?

would anyone like to join me in a count of "you are still bf your (9month old) baby?!?!? you had better watch out, or you will never get her off and end up like those people on that programme!"
ha fkn ha.
excuse me while I mend my splitting sides.
anyway, so far - five.
including the bloody pharmacist today in Boots.

harpsi, I am truly shocked at people being shocked that a NINE month old is still being breastfed, wtf?

but tell me you do put nappies on her.....

In some parts of China many children don't have nappies but have split crotch clothing for easy access. There it is called IIRC Ba-ing your baby. There is is driven by two factors, there are often many older members of the family on had to 'ba' the baby, it isn't just down to the mum, and also they lack the facilities to do large amounts of laundry.

Just because it is done in the developing countries doesn't of itself make it 'backward' that would be insulting. Howevere it doesn't of itself make it a good thing to do either. Often it is done out of neccesity and not a positive choice.

yes she wears nappies
sunnysideup strangely enough I have had a LOAD of comments lately. partly coming out of this programme (And the previous one).
people often say something like - oh I couldn't stand having a baby attached to me all the time, makes them clingy(which is what the Boots pharmacist said to me yesterday).

oh, fgs, people in this country just depress the hell out of me sometimes. How can bfing a baby make them clingy, jeeeez.

Hope you can let it roll over you most days Harpsi! But doesn't it show how unhelpful programmes like this are...

Just some encouragement for Terramum - I've seen EC work for for a couple of babies recently - and their parent's floors aren't covered in poo! It's quite amazing to see a potty trained 12 month old, who's also dry at night. EC takes a lot of effort to begin with, but the benefit is supposed to be avoiding potty training problems later on, and can be done hygienically. If I had the patience I would try it, but I don't , and also don't have the guts to try something so socially unacceptable. Good for you, and good luck!

harpsi, mad isn't it? And what buisness is it of theirs??

Well said MB. A very balanced post IMO. I'm very strongly attracted to AP personally - I favour a gentler, more child-led style than the examples I grew up with - and would almost certainly practise it more closely with any future children than I did with my existing two. I had never heard of AP and my family just think I am a loon However I can't really see that nappies are any more tyrannical or degrading than "pointing and shooting" your baby every five minutes like Krista in the programme, and I couldn't live with crap on the floor. . I also dislike the attitude that dismisses practices as backward or primitive simply because they originate in other cultures. That's a bit tyrannical, I think.

One of the things that annoyed me about the reportage on this family was a piece that pointed out "the children don't have to worry about being bullied as they are homeschooled".

Erm, they are 2 and 4, aren't they? You don't normally see many 2 year olds at school.

Breastfeeding and AP aside, education was also mentioned in the programme. I appreciate it?s a personal choice to educate your children at home, but I really believe that the value of school is not just in providing specially trained teachers with subject-specific knowledge, but also in the fact that children learn to interact with people who are not family members or close friends, and thus can operate in modern society. Also, are we really doing our children any favours by letting them opt out of exams? Unfortunate as it may be, qualifications are the way of the western world today, without which future choices may be limited. The lady who stayed at home with her husband and children was an educated woman (a teacher) and so was making an informed choice, which is her right, but is she preventing her children from being able to make their own INFORMED choices later in life?

did anyone read the article in the torygraph I think by the 'home schooling mother' whose children were 3 and 5 or something? Wow. Must be so much more hard work than having a 3 and 4 year old preschooler!

Sunnysideup - yes cost is an issue for me, both financial & environmental, but also I like the idea of being close to my child & being able to read him or her & know that they are niggly because of x y or z appeals. Why wouldnt I want to get to know my child better . This link might interest you.

belgo - thanks for the words of encouragement! All I need now is another child to have a try with (we are ttcing atm ). As for having the courage to try something socially unnacceptable...as I am bfing a 2 year old, use cloth nappies, eco san-pro, avoid shopping in the major supermarkets if I can help it, spend most of my free time tending to my allotment and doing loads of research into how our decision to HE will be carried out I guess I am already too far gone . I never was one for following the crowd!

SAHMof1 - HE doesnt mean the child(ren) sitting at home on their own. IMO they actually get far more social interaction than school educated children simply because they are out there in scoiety interacting with people of all ages, not just those in the class or school. In my local area we there are quite a few HE groups who meet regularly for workshops, social gatherings, trips etc, plus there are plenty of "after-school" clubs & activities (which of course most areas have) so doing HE doesnt mean you have no contact with school educate children either.

Oh & qualifications can easily be done in the HE environment - & imo there is a lot more choice available simply because you are not restricted by the subjects & qualifications offered by the schools and the timetabling issues they have.