Bottle feeding = 120 Mars bars by 8 months

[MrsDoolittle]

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i have heard that as well but unsure where.
I have 2 friends with babies about the same age as ds, one tried for 2 weeks and gave up as dd was becoming ill, and the other didnt bother at all.

Yellow, you'll get one whether you want it or not lol!

Welcome btw...

not trying to be controversial but it saddens me that the vast majority of the friends and family I have who give up after a few weeks or months do so due to lack of proper scientific info. - the one I hear the most often is "I don't/didn't have enough milk" - the actual root cause being not offering the breast often enough or mix feeding which leads to a reduction in supply.

Unfortunatley, the fomula companies/health service collude in this "not enough breastmilk" deception which makes me very upset indeed

Bowing out because I see why you like the article but don't feel strongly enough about bf vs ff debate to spend a lot of my time on it.

But.. those sort of trite statistics about the £30 vs 14p do irritate me!

Of course formula companies spend a whole lot more. They are private companies which exist to make a profit and go in for marketing and advertising in a big way which is an expensive business.

The nhs deals with all the health-related issues under the sun. They might not directly spend money on marketing but, bloody hell, when I was pg nhs midwives and hvs were never done promoting breastfeeding. Damn sight closer to their target market than formula companies as well. They have private one-to-one time with us, for god's sake. Now formula companies would give millions for that...

And if LLL are far more fiercely pro bf they're shooting themselves in the foot (feet). Glad I never got in touch with them when I was struggling.

'Trite statistics'Pointydog????

Get agrip.......

Well, yeah. As in, how meaningful are they.

Oh please pointydog, ineffective Soviet-style posters all over the place in clinics and maternity ward, without any support to back them up, just don't equate with the pernicious, wall to wall below and above the line marketing, advertising, cultural influencing and communications formula companies do.

PD formula companies operate in pernicious ways via the HVsand MWswho have one to one time with us!

Why else do they advertise in professional journals {despite massive protest}distribute countless freebies amongst health professionals,fill 'goody bags'with crap for parents who believe they are actually being kind and try {happily unsuccesfully} to muscle in on parenting websites such as this?

Did you just thikn they wring their hands and despair of ever getting close to those people who beaver away in health clinics and maternity wards

I agree, fcc. But I didn't mention posters. In my neck of the woods, nhs ante-natal classes and midwives gave pg women a lot of advice and support. I had support.

I am certain you know a lot more about bf vs ff than me as I have never been particularly interested in the arguments about it all.

We are surrounded by statistics to back up any argument we care to think of. People's motives for using those statistics are of far more relevance.

Er.. I am starting to feel a bit ganged up on.

I'm with you pointy

watching with interest but I've been in too many of these scraps to get into another - but you're not alone

we may get surport from hv and mw, but there is very little public awareness about bf, that is where more money should be spent.

totally agree with bugsy - comparing formula with mars bars is shoddy.

Yup - breast is best.

Do aticles like this do ANYTHING to promote or encourage it - no.

I'm sick of this stuff from the media.

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pointy dog - yes many statistics are damned lies as someone once said ! But many others are totally valid and as scientific as you can get.

I doubt that the WHO and UNICEF lie and cheat about their statistics, one of the most horrifying of which states that over 1.5 million babies die world-wide due to lack of breastfeeding - the most basic and simple causes of infant death in 3rd world countries can be prevented by bf

now some will say - but we live in the UK not in a 3rd world country. The truth of the matter is though do most women in this country where bottle feeding is now the norm really BENEFIT from so-called NHS support ? Bitter personal experience bf-ing my son in the first few days after he was born plus many many anecdotes from friends and family tell me that the support is imaginary rather than real. I had no support other than my DH, the internet and books.

Also I think your comment re. LLL is a bit unfair. Of course I was joking when I said they are fierce booby ladies ! Yes, it has some members who are organic lentil-munching alternative sorts (but then so does the Conservative Party even !!), but it is not led by lunatics. It is one of the few charities in the world that supports and comforts mothers and helps them with all kinds of issues, not just bf, but also sleep, diet, raising children, relationships, etc. It is run by volunteers and it does an absolutely fantastic job both in this country and abroad. I have friends living abroad who have been able to bf successfully through the support of LLL.

Surely statistics only irritate if one allows them to irritate otherwise they are often just there to inform

Great. Reading this makes me feel even more like killing myself. Im already a crap shit stupid mother and my baby is only 8 weeks old. Just want to cry that im so crap but never mind...will keep to the chat threads from now on so i dont do it tonight.

Koshka, please take no notice of this silly woman. People who write this crap have no idea what it feels like for bf to be the most important thing in the world to you and for you not to be able to do it for whatever reason. I once felt as you do when I couldn't bf dd1. I now know it wasn't anywhere near as important as I thought, and your grief - because that is what you feel about not bf, isn't it? - will pass in time. I know I've said this before but CAT me. I so know where you are right now and it is a horrible feeling.

oh get over yourself!

Thanks nearlythree would be for the best if i stay away from these threads as my LO feeds a lot! He is in the 25th percentile tho so not too fat.

Swwetheart, my ds looks like Marshmallow Man, he tanks back his formula and at 3 mo is already in 6 mo clothes. Thing is, he came out looking like that and he is way up on his centiles. Anyway, he's got plenty of time to run it off. Your dd will be weaning before you know it, and then you'll be able to give her all kinds of delicious organic goodies.

Thanks x
I am going to start an i love nearlythree thread!! you make me feel better!