Read this shocking article about the damaging effects of formula and the immoral practices of the companies who peddle this junk.

[moondog]

From The Ecologist magazine.

Here.....

Grim reading.

Perhaps a new thread with a less "inflammatory" title should be started to allow those who wish to the article etc should be started, leaving this one to die away.

SP - I hoped you meant that one.

Fruit Shit, anyone?

I really can't stand it when people say 'Get off your high horse'. It's a mindless insult.

munz, i want the answer to that too so that if ds2 is born too poorly to bf like ds1, i know what to give him.

to discuss the article.

get off your high horse is an expression spidermama not an insult.

but what about when someone does have a really high horse? Maybe greensleeves has one.

It's an insulting expression bosscat, which is why you used it.

1b1b - how about carnation milk lol. (kidding btw)

as I see it, you do ur best for your child feeding wise, and if u can BF fab excellent u and babay will have a lovely/special bond (yes I'm gooey over BF) if u can't BF and use formula - well then that's excellent to cos at the end of the day as long as u and baby are both happy, baby's gaining weight, where's the problem.

if I was unable to feed I think i'd sooner have a baby and mummy who's happy with formula that one who's not thru BF. althou as I say i'm very lucky to be able to feed. (also it's cheaper! lol)

Well you'd need a small stepladder (or willing manservant) to get on and off then, wouldn't you, SP?

My horrible old Great Aunt used to spout that 'expression' at people seemingly out of nowhere. She was a defensive old boot and keen to lash out at any opportunity.

God rest her.

ok so bf is best we know that but it is not always possible so you make the best decision you can - it would be interesting to know sample size and also as a comparrision the number of babies affected bt bfing mothers who comsume alcohol, tobacco etc.
To be honest iif you consume any processed food you are likely to be at risk of dodgy practices

i dont want peep to think i dont support bfing as i do.
i truly wanted to and i still do.
does anyone know what formula actually does or doesnt do?

blimey. better not use expressions like "if you keep looking like that the wind will blow and your face might stick" or I'll be banned from mumsnet

as gothic just said, it obviously does not pass nicotine or alcohol on to your baby.

(or worry Sweet n sour will go in one end and out the other! lol - first and last time I eat that when BF)

1baby1bump... I don't think formula actively does anything bad. It's more what it doesn't provide that breastmilk does, which in turn means the likelihood of certain illnesses are greater than in breastfed babies. It doesn't mean that a formula fed baby will get something, it means it is just more likely statistically speaking.

LOL at SP "but what about when someone does have a really high horse? Maybe greensleeves has one"

i'm just really gutted that moondog felt it was okay to post a thread title like that, and hang the consequences for other people. i feel sick about the fact that my breastfeeding never worked out (mix fed for 17 weeks, wanted to do it longer but i really, genuinely didn't have enough milk) and i know that because it's a physiological issue the same thing will most likely happen again if i have another child.
the word 'junk', whilst it is used in the amazingly badly-written article, would have been best left off the title. it's not a question of censorship, but sensitivity.

ok cool. thats wgat i thought but i was beginning to feel i had missed something.
i know the antibodies etv are not there but may i point out me and my 2 bros were bf and we all had asthma, both my bros have hayfever, the eldest one cant see at the moment for streaming eyes so is off work.

i suppose its similar to the smoking thread.
some mothers who smoked all the way thru had perfectly healthy babes and those who didnt have babes with problems.

Im too scared to read the article, I breastfed all my children, DS1 for 3 days - had an abusive partner telling me my milk was crap, prem baby (3lb13) not sucking for long enough because it tired him out, eventually he had to be tube fed, feeling weak and tired after emcs under ga, DD2 for 8 weeks, she was also a emcs under epidural, just could not cope with hardly any milk being produced and having to hold her in my arms all night with her using my boob for comfort, DS3 for 5 months (natural delivery) he got chicken pox and had nasty ulcers in his mouth so would cry every time he latched on, it was easier for him to drip feed from bottle, then my milk dried up and he just would not latch on after the 2 week break from it.

I feel guilty and wish I could feed my babies until they self weaned but I cant.

My HV said some woman just do not have a good let down however much expressing you do.

I have been thinking about this and I find the "making mothers guilty" part of the whole breast / bottle thing rather problematic.

Now what is being said in this article and in moondog's provocative title is either true, or it isn't. If it's not true, then it's not going to make anyone feel guilty, is it? I mean I can say "you are all a load of thieving bastards." If you are not personally a thieving bastard then you are not going to feel guilty, I don't think.

If however the information in the article is correct, surely no-one can seriously be saying that we can't discuss it ot mention it for fear of making people feel guilty.

I personally have some extremely touchy issues in my life about which I feel regret, guilt, sadness, whatever. I imagine most people do. If I see those issues coming up on a thread and I think it will upset me - I don't read it. If I were to read that kind of thread and find some information on there which re-inforced my feelings I would not blame that person for "making me feel guilty". Seriously, am I missing something?

I agree the word junk should n't have been used also if it is about statistics then it is impossible to provide a genuine comparrision as the same baby would have to be given formula anf bf (impossible unless you used twins but then you would be exploring unethical territories)as genetics may have a part to play and also how the mother ate drank etc during pregnancy - so really there are too many variables to make a true opinion of the figures

Yes F & Z you are missing a lot.

It might be more productive if you said what you meant, LaDiDah