Pope urges breastfeeding in Sistine Chapel

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Go Pope Francis

I have to admit I felt a bit awkward feeding in church with dc1 so this is pretty much the ultimate way of dispelling that worry.

It is amazing how little you have to do to make yourself popular! Good choice, Holy See!

It's not a popularity contest.

yes, abortion is horrific, traumatic and destructive to all concerned, and is a symptom of lots of things unpleasant things. And yes it is frightful too.

Anyone with any humanity about themselves would know these things. A Pope saying it shouldn't be a shock.
curlew, you are appearing like a mixture between a sulky child and an annoying squeaky pup. We all know now how much you disagree, to a tedious degree. So how about fucking off. Or change the record.

"yes, abortion is horrific, traumatic and destructive to all concerned, and is a symptom of lots of things unpleasant things. And yes it is frightful too."

It isn't though for many. It is the best of the bad options that women in those situations have.
We are lucky to have the option of safe regulated abortion, which the church would see forced underground endagering women's lives.

Anyone who has been through a pregnancy knows just how much it literally takes out of you - physically and emotionally. To be forced to endure that time after time after time, in for example a country where health care isn't easily available and women have to carry on working as well as look after children in poverty - go through that and then tell me that contraception and abortion are such dreadful options.

"Oh and oh, good. CRB checks for Catholics working with children."

Curlew you do realise Catholics working with children have had to have CRB checks, like everyone else, since they were introduced?

Or have you invented a conspiracy in your head where this wasn't the case?

I feel very moved by this.
I hope his messages reaches many places.
Some people are so rude about breastfeeding it can be very hurtful and give a feeling of being unwelcome and dread when baby cryies to be fed.

What smudge said.
Furthermore girls/women suffer if they do or don't terminate sometimes.
What does religious consenus think about pregnancies as a result of rape? I'm not trying to be argumentative I'm not a particularly religious and am genuinely interested. I sadly knew someone who went through this as a teenager, she was sent away and came back a year later, no baby. Very very sad. I understand about having principles but how do they fit with reality some times?

"Would you stop watching TV because of Dave lee Travis, William Roache, Rolph Harris and Jimmy Saville?"

So are you equating the BBC with the Catholic Church? hmm

I'll equate the church to apples now - There are bad apples in every barrel.

Contraception and abortion, both very important issues, including for the Catholic church, but I do feel they are better looked at separately to some extent.

Basically the Catholic church could start with contraception and realise that there need be no problem at all with it. Families having the number of children they wish to have, and people wanting to have sex without getting pregnant (including young people) - all good!

Then, the more challenging issue of looking at the issue of abortion could be considered with compassion.
Two main issues here I think .... firstly the importance of considering the breadth of situations women are experiencing, including problems with the fetus, and the individual circumstances of the woman and the pregnancy.
These issues often seem to be rather ignored or over-looked.
Secondly early abortion has to be better for all concerned than later abortion, and I feel there is much that could be done to enable this, including for example better access to the morning after pill and better access to health services for women.

Taking such an absolutist stance, even to the extent of being against contraception, and also of surpresing open discussion about sex and contraception, only contributes to suffering in this area.

I think the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has recently done some good work in this area - promoting the benefits of contraception throughout the world

"I'll equate the church to apples now - There are bad apples in every barrel."

Yes, but some circumstances encourage rotting more than others.

How can someone compare the church to the BBC?

Surely the whole point of the church is to uphold so called moral values- the BBC is a broadcasting company.

I would expect priests cardinals and bishops to at least stand up to their own debateable standards which they clearly can't.

The BBC is not a religion.

The Catholic church likes to tell women (and men) what to do with their own bodies, whether that it's to feed a baby, contraception, abortion, disallowing gay relationships, disallowing married priests, or what jobs you can apply for depending on whether you have a male or female body.

"Encouraging" breastfeeding isn't going to be anything to do with women's rights in this case, it's to do with being like the Virgin Mary and a "good mother" and just one of many ways in which the Catholic Church thinks it gets to tell women what to do.

"How can someone compare the church to the BBC?"

Hmm, I think I might have been the first to mention the BBC on this thread - relating to child sex abuse and problems within institutions.
Seeing the front page of some papers today I see that these issues are ongoing for the BBC (regarding past crimes by high profile broadcasters)

But actually I think it's easy to compare the two institutions more broadly as being very influential in the culture of our society.

"curlew, you are appearing like a mixture between a sulky child and an annoying squeaky pup. We all know now how much you disagree, to a tedious degree. So how about fucking off. Or change the record."

Oh, I do like a good, well reasoned debating point!

I'd agree that the BBC and the major religions (not just Catholicism) are culturally influential, and that their internal cultures will affect what they 'broadcast'.

That's why openness, public scrutiny and accountability are so important with all influential organisations. Especially those which presume to tell people how to live their lives, on pain of going to hell if they don't.

I don't think the Catholic Church is much into threats of hell and damnation these days.

Do any other Catholic's out there know how to get in? I certainly don't. Perhaps the anti Christs Romans out there could let me know as they seem to know more about Catholicism than anyone.

Oh, and before anyone corrects my punctuation - I've seen it.

So everyone gets to heaven then?

What the point of being a catholic then if we all get gate passes? Why baptise our sinful babies if not to guarantee them ia place in heaven?

I have heard that it's not so fashionable these days (in the UK, anyway) to threaten people with the devil and hellfire - it's not really great PR, is it.

But a VIP pass to heaven is presumably not to be sniffed at?

Not fashionable because it sounds so un PC, but nevertheless one of the basic pillars on which christianity is built.

Just one of the many things the catholic church likes to sweep under the carpet.

Personally heaven sounds a bit dull- I'd prefer a party at Nick's place!!

"Personally heaven sounds a bit dull - I'd prefer a party at Nick's place!!"

Well, I don't know about Nick's party - reception might be a little over warm ?

But agree about heaven, no variety, no change, eternal sameness.
What would be the point in that.
All rather unlikely too ?

Life is surprising enough! Just enjoy being here once? Once is enough?

I agree with abortions being an example of a throwaway culture. I know it's not a popular opinion but it's one I have all the same.

Abortions have happened since ancient times.
They will happen whether the church or state sanction them or not.

If they are legal then they are safe. If they are driven underground then many women will die.

The church has no right meddling with what women do with their bodies.

Cheerful I take it you don't agree with the contraceptive pill or coil either?

I know that, twelve. And fwiw I'm not Catholic.

I don't think abortion should be illegal, nor do I disagree with contraception in any form.

Women have abortions for various reasons; often, as someone said upthread, because it is the best of bad options. I understand that. It's not a choice I can see myself making, ever, for any reason, but I understand why other women do/would.

But I do think some abortions (for instance, of fetuses with DS, or abortions of a twin because you want only one baby) are examples of a society that has become, in a lot of ways, one with a very entitled mindset.