Pope urges breastfeeding in Sistine Chapel

[marmitecat]

news.sky.com/story/1194030/pope-urges-breastfeeding-in-sistine-chapel

Go Pope Francis

I have to admit I felt a bit awkward feeding in church with dc1 so this is pretty much the ultimate way of dispelling that worry.

Yes, I reckon you're right there, Smudgy

And of course the problem of boys / men at best not taking responsibility for their actions, and at worst exploiting and abusing.

Women are easier to exploit in a patriarchy.
Under the church women have been robbed of their power, including their sexual power- resigned to being placid mothers or objectified as whores.

Yes indeed atthestrokeoftwelve. Patriarchal societies by definition create inequality and therefore exploitation.

The church are shit scared of women's sexuality- Eve was the fall guy because of that- and Mary had to be a virgin.

So the church takes charge and makes sure women and their sexuality are firmly put in their place.
Trouble is it all goes a bit wrong- the church is in a state of deep sexual confusion and obsession.

"placid mothers or objectified as whores" what an old chestnut! Speak for yourself, I don't personally know any "placid mothers" do you? Objectified as whores??? Who is writing this tosh?

Because if there's one thing you'll definitely find outside the church it's noone objectifying women as whores, especially on the Internet.

Yes honey because or our patriarchy.
You are not really getting it are you.

Wow how patronizing. I read Virago books in the 1980s too. Have you got anymore where that came from? You seem to think everything you're saying is incredibly cutting edge and noones ever thunk it before. This I about as original as a copy of 17 from 1982. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing it's just the attitude that you think a 21st century woman has never encountered your groundbreaking revelations.

I know it's horrifying but practicing Catholic women have brains. Engagement is generally more constructive than ranting.

I'm sorry I don't share your literary choices.

It is not groundbreaking but certainly worth talking about because it is meaningful.
If you want to collude in the sanctimonius structures that subjugate women that's your choice.
I made no comment regarding your intellect. An interesting angle though.

Women chose to stay in the church. I am a convert from atheism. A couple of women on this thread are considering converting. Instead of having an openended respectful discussion about why women chose to become and stay Catholic, it is easier to rant and rave. I know your narrative seems to be that we are colluding in our own (and/or others) oppression - however, battering thinking women with very, very old arguments does not seem to have the required effect. Could there be something else that you are missing in women's experience of the church?

Of course, the discourse does not have to be respectful but in that case you may find Christian women unenthusiastic debaters.

But the church continues to batter women with very very old ideologies- that's fine then.

I think using these truthful arguments does have a great effect. Church attendance is at an old time low and the reputation of the catholic church is in tatters, the corruption and hypocracy within the church is becoming visible for us all to see.

Well then, that's all done and dusted - think I'll go and do a spot of kissing children and praying. Goodnight all!

Say a few hail marys for me honey.

Another really interesting development is that a very senior Jesuit, I think someone called Keenan, an American, suggested last year that the Pope should ask for possible female candidates to be cardinals. Bear in mind that Keenan would not be speaking 'out of turn'.

Francis is the first Jesuit in history to be a Pope. Why? Because Jesuits have been a right royal pain in the arse to the hierarchy over centuries, most recently in Liberation Theology in South America ( Francis' 'home') and in Vatican II in the 1960s - emphasising poverty, equality, and education.
Many fuckwits on this thread will be unaware that women cannot 'be Jesuits' (otherwise that fact would have been such an easy target for them), though there are numerous congregations of women Jesuits.
So by even thinking of voting in a Jesuit Pope the cardinals knew that they, and the Jesuit Order, were opening a wide and powerful door way into a new world of social responsibility and reacting to circumstance and expectation that they would previously ignore.

atthestroke - do you have numbers for 'attendance at an all time low' for everywhere in the world, or do you just mean in the UK? I think global numbers would be hard to measure.

"Francis is the first Jesuit in history to be a Pope. Why? Because Jesuits have been a right royal pain in the arse to the hierarchy over centuries, most recently in Liberation Theology in South America ( Francis' 'home') and in Vatican II in the 1960s - emphasising poverty, equality, and education."

Well we're back to the PR reputation-saving exercise then, aren't we. The church's image is becoming worryingly one of being rich, arrogant, rigid and powerful - then in goes New Pope with a big old dose of poverty and humility. Coincidence?

St Francis was a man who gave up all his riches to be closer to God. I believe he is an inspiration to the Pope. We shall waist and see.

Wait - flipping iPad.

Well if you wish to comfort yourself with that thought, that's up to you Smudgy. Others see it differently. For reasons I explained but you chose to edit out.

And receives adulation from the devoted - 'New Pope - with your tolerant attitude to feeding babies you are spoiling us'.

I don't find the thought at all comforting Pan, why should I? I just find it depressing and bemusing.

"Instead of having an openended respectful discussion about why women chose to become and stay Catholic, it is easier to rant and rave"

Can I respectfully point out that they only ranting and raving I have seen on this thread is from the pro pope side? I have certainly been told to "shut up" and to "fuck off". I have also, I think, been called a fuckwit. Certainly an "annoying child" and a "squeaky pup". For daring to suggest that there may not be much substance behind the "people's pope". Worth thinking about?

You love it though, Curlew?

No. I would actually really like to talk about interesting topics without being insulted and ranted at. But hey ho.

Yes acid, the Jesuit actually owns nothing. Clothing etc and that's it.