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Breastmilk vs formula - the facts

124 replies

buzzybee · 03/03/2004 03:36

I came across this article on a Canadian website which I think is quite an objective and unemotive summary of the factual differences between breastmilk and formula for those who are interested!
here

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MammyShirl · 05/03/2004 16:25

well then the sarcasm bit as you described was not aimed at you then - why get your knickers in twist? :0

Angeliz · 05/03/2004 16:26

Mammyshirl, i jus read your most recent post and smiled to myself.
Maybe breastfed mams don't get defensive as they haven't got lots of people asking why they chose to do it!
If i am always to be thought of as defensive, then how is a debate possible?
Surely anyone who disagrees would then be defensive!

mears · 05/03/2004 16:26

I haven't had time to read all this thread but am heartened to see that it has not become an aggressive one for once.

I have noticed what mumtojames has posted though and am so amazed by the total wrong advice you have been given. Expressing milk during pregnancy has no impact on your ability to breastfeed. Some women have milk at that stage, most do not. It is the actual birth and delivery of the placenta that starts the process off. The actual feeding then stimulated further production.
Mumtojames, you would have had the ability to breastfeed but believed that you could not due to bad advice. This is one of the reasons women need to be given all the correct facts to make a decision.

Angeliz · 05/03/2004 16:29

mears you obviously didn't get to us

MammyShirl · 05/03/2004 16:29

angeliz - my reply to you and northener was more aimed at northerner as she said "she dont give a s*..." it was her reply that made me say that.

email sometimes puts the wrong tone across and if i took you up wrong then im sorry...

ponygirl · 05/03/2004 16:30

Can I just add a small point? I don't think all soreness is poor positioning: I bf all three and it got more sore each time. My mum said with my first that it took a little while for the nipples to "toughen up" and I think that was true. Ds1 it took 10 days to stop hurting, dd 2.5 weeks and ds2 4 weeks. I can tell you that the latch was definitely fine, but frankly, IME, having that done to your nipples, it does take a while to get used to! (Oh thank God for Lansinoh!)

Angeliz · 05/03/2004 16:32

that's o.k, i'm sorry too as i hate bad feeling

I swore i wouldn't enter another chat about this but you get drawn in!

Northerner · 05/03/2004 16:36

We get defensive Mammyshirl when people imply that they have the monoply on bonding with their babies simply beacuse they breast feed them.

Breast is best, no arguments there, but formula is a damn close 2nd which does not harm our babies in any way, shape or form. It's a personal choice at the end of the day. I don't think any teenager is ever going to throw 'Why didn't you breast feed me?' back into their mothers faces in the future. There are far more important parenting issues IMO.

Some mothers choose to have a c section over a VD, some choose pain relief, some choose MMR some don't. We all know the facts and we all make our own informed choices.

Angeliz · 05/03/2004 16:38

Well said Northener.

I probably should have tried to explain that rather than have a debate on not being defensive

Anyway, will bow out now as have to cook

hercules · 05/03/2004 16:43

I agree with Mammyshirl.
Angeliz- I dont think I implied anyone was stupid, just wanted to know the reasoning behind the decision.
I made my decision and I do get asked a lot why i chose to breastfeed and I can give reasons if want to (depends who asks).
My point about the defensive thing is because some people think they are being critisised by choosing to bottlefeed but I cant understandwhy if you've made your decision you should feel you're being critisised.
I'm sure there are lots of things i do or dont do as a mum that others would disagree with after all feeding is only one thing we do as parents. That doesnt mean I would fel anyone was trying to make me look stupid.
Is it so bad to ask why someone chose one thing over another?

I have to say part of the reason I chose to breastfeed was due to laziness. There seems to be far more work involved in bottlefeeding.

mears · 05/03/2004 16:45

A friend of mine bottle fed all three children. I didn't discuss her choice first time round as I didn't want to upset her (my perception)
She had no problems with me breastfeeding in front of her in between the times she had babies. Second time round she chose to bottle feed again and we didn't discuss it.
Third baby curiosity got the better of me because she was always supportive of me breastfeeding.
I asked the question third time round and she quite happily told me she just did not fancy it. Yes she knew breastmilk had health benefits (happily read the literature) and did not feel pressurised by reading it nor did she feel guilty. She was very happy with her choice that the thought of it disgusted her so there was no way she was going to do it.
I was so glad that we discussed it because I made assumptions that I would make her feel guilty by mentioning it however she was more than happy to discuss it. I think we worry needlessly at times and assume other people's reactions when infact they do not have a problem.

hercules · 05/03/2004 16:47

I agree about the bonding bit, I'm not sure how breastfeeding can create more of a bond than bottlefeeding unless of course you feed the baby with a propped up bottle in a rocker but I doubt many people do this.
I think it would be great also to have a discussion about the two without either side feeling offended. I'm sure noone wants to offend anyone.

hercules · 05/03/2004 16:49

That is imo a reason not to breastfeed. If I had felt that way I wouldnt have done it but I didnt fel that way so did breastfeed.

aloha · 05/03/2004 16:50

MummytoJames - what truly abysmal advice you got! Who on earth told you such rubbish? Just because you could't get milk out when you were pregant had nothing to do with breastfeeding after the baby was born. I never leaked a drop when pregant, my milk came in four/five days after ds was born and I fed for a year. I am really sorry that you had to be put off by someone telling you stuff that was all wrong.
Mammyshirl, I think I understand that you meant that 'bind' is the same as 'bond' to you - and that having a baby is by the very nature of the mother and child relationship a bind and a 'burden' but one you gladly choose to carry and enjoy carrying. I didn't read your post at all as saying that women who don't breastfeed don't bond. I read it as you saying, yes, breastfeeding does bind you to your child but you wanted to be bound!
I feel very odd as breastfeeding wasn't painful for me - no cracked nipples, no thrush - nothing. I am very grateful for it.

aloha · 05/03/2004 16:52

Doh! I do actually know how to spell pregnant...

dinosaur · 05/03/2004 16:53

I think the help we get when we start breastfeeding is so so important.

As some of you know when DS1 was born he collapsed and nearly died and was SCBU for 8 days. However one of the positive things that came out of this experience was the (literally) hands-on assistance I got with breast-feeding him - positioning, latching on etc. Got us off to a really good start.

Angeliz · 05/03/2004 16:58

hercules, i didn't mean YOU implied that, i meant Mammyshirl, but we sorted it

suedonim · 05/03/2004 18:15

Northener, I've just posted on this thread about my then teenage ds complaining about not being breastfed.

Lisa78 · 05/03/2004 21:24

Been avoiding reading this thread all day

DS2 is now 4 months old and I have loathed breastfeeding him. I've had mastitus once and thrush twice and it was 6 weeks before I could feed him without it been excrutiating and another 2 or 3 weeks before the pain went completely. The first few weeks I changed my breast pads so regularly because the blood from my nipples soaked them. I couldn't feed infront of anyone (apart from DS1 and DH) so I was limited in where I could go or even having visitors - its not as if I could pop off upstairs to feed him as for 3 months, he fed for an hour and a half, every 3 hours

I hated it, I mean it, I really really hated breastfeeding him; it made me cry with pain, frustration and sheer dislike - I loathed the sensation even when the pain had passed. I rarely had a snuggly feed with him, he almost always flailed his arms and legs, pulled back without letting go, twisted about and generally came off every five minutes or so

I spoke to BF counsellors almost weekly - and on more than one occasion I was sobbing so hard down the phone they couldn't understand me. I had one wonderful NCT BF counsellor who came and spent hours with me, hours, offering advice and support.
A couple of weeks ago, I started introducing a formula feed to replace a breast feed. By the time he was on 3 formulas and two breast feeds, I couldn't feed him at all - he simply would not take the breast. He would scream with hunger but refuse to do more than have a couple of sucks no matter what we tried - me, DH, HV and BF counsellor. So I stopped bf altogether on Wednesday, having sat in baby clinic showing my HV what he was doing and crying my eyes out. She has been wonderful (unlike the witch she works with) and as she said, formula isn't toxic waste.

Two days on, I am still in tears about it, just typing this is making me cry. I don't get it. I really did not like bf, but now I have stopped, I miss it, I don't feel the same closeness to him when I bottle feed him as I did b/f him, yet sometimes I could have screamed at him when he fought on the breast. On a positive side, I have enjoyed being his mummy these last two days so much more than the previous four months - don't get me wrong, I enjoyed him before, but its more relaxed now.

I never understood before how emotive an issue breast feeding is - I bottle fed DS1. But having been on both sides of the fence, I have to say that noone, absolutely noone has any right to make value judgements on how anyone chooses to feed; I have been so hurt by comments people have made to me over the past four months about both bottle and breast feeding (not here on MN where everyone has been so supportive) that I would now never even ask an expectant mum how she planned to feed

Anyway, thats my overlong twopennorth worth.

Slinky · 05/03/2004 21:39

((((Lisa)))))

Just wanted to give you a big hug

As you may have read in my posting earlier today, I also hated b/feeding - never understood this "snuggly" feeds that people kept going on about.

Lisa78 · 05/03/2004 21:43

big hugs to you too Slinky, I really identified with what you posted but good for you for doing it for so long with your babies
Sadly, I do understand what people mean about snuggly feeds and they really are wonderful - just I only got one a week if that
His very last feed was a snuggly one - not sure if that made it better or worse

Angeliz · 05/03/2004 21:44

Lisa, you sounded like you did really well going for so long. You both sound less stressed, so don't be sad please +++++++++
(((((((((hugs))))))))))))

SoupDragon · 05/03/2004 21:47

4 months is pretty good going Lisa! You should be proud of yourself!! No matter when or why you stop breastfeeding, I think it'll be tinged with guilt/sadness/whatever. I fed DS2 for 14 months (he was a dream feeder so I was lucky) and still felt I'd short changed him when I stopped.
((hugs))

Lisa78 · 05/03/2004 22:02

I know, I know but I just wish I could have been one of these mums who thrived on BF. I'm such a contrary cow, wasn't happy bf, not happy now I have stopped!
Still, when he is a stroppy adolescent, I don't have to say "I nearly died giving birth to you so the least you can do is tidy your room", I can say "I nearly died breastfeeding you"

Angeliz · 05/03/2004 22:05
Grin
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