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Infant feeding

Get advice and support with infant feeding from other users here.

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babies gain nothing from breast feeding once on solids and especially not after around 12 months

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popsycal · 24/07/2006 18:17

Utter bollocks i know but can anyone direct me to a link (as scientific as possible) to give to my misinformed Dh (misinformed by numerous people including random friends, his mother and his GP)

thanks

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popsycal · 24/07/2006 20:39

thanks everyone...

just thought i need to add for some people who may not be up to speed on the whole ongoing saga...that ds2 is almost 17 months now

VVV
will email you

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JoPG · 24/07/2006 20:41

Very best of luck with the sleeping tonight popsycal. Try and get an early night yourself so you don't fell too tired in the night. This is what I did when I was trying to stop DS1 feeding at night, he is now 5.
Hope you both still enjoy your b/f during the day though.

jollyfolly · 24/07/2006 20:44

god i know just how you feel popsycal.... i have exactly the same ear ache from ex dp and mil (and numerous friends) i am getting very good at going randomly deaf these days!

tiktok · 25/07/2006 00:09

Apparently I pissed off HRH.

I get pissed off myself with this sort of reaction, because it seems to me to be a result of wilful misunderstandings of what I write.

I was not comparing formula feeding with breastfeeding.

I was answering popsy's request for evidence that it was not a waste of time to bf an older baby....so I was comparing breastfeeding an older baby with stopping breastfeeding an older baby.

I would have thought that was crystal clear, and that it was not a comment on anyone's formula feeding.

Lighten up.

chipmonkey · 25/07/2006 00:28

Popsy, my ds3 is the same. Luckily, my dh remembers that we have had 2 other sons both of whom were very considerate in sleeping through the night at an early age and taking bottles of EBM when Mammy had to go to work! IIRC you and I had trouble getting my ds3 and your ds2 to take a bottle in the first place? This is just their temperament! They are stubborn little so-and-so's and it is nothing to do with how they are fed. I have given ds3 a full dinner at 9pm to see if he will sleep but the truth is that he is a very light sleeper and wakes up as soon as my foot hits the top of the stairs at night. I know Christopher Green suggests a sippy cup of water in the cot. We have not tried this as ds3 thinks a sippy cup is for turning upside-down and shaking.

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popsycal · 25/07/2006 10:14

Tiktok- I knew what you meant - and really appreciate your advice.

Chipmonkey - you are dead right - it IS his temperament. Doesnt help that ds1 who was mixed fed for a few months then bottle fed is a totally different child who slept well from early on.

Will update on last night in a bit. Half a success. half not

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HRHQueenOfQuotes · 25/07/2006 15:37

I didn't say you were attacking me, I simpky wanted to point out that to me it didn't seem like a very solid argument - as it could easily be turned round as I mentioned to say that you could get a 'connection' with mother and baby while bottle feeding.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 25/07/2006 17:46

Actually, you said "....it p*sses me off a bit...".

Which made it seem like you were making/taking it personal when Tiktok was simply trying to help a Mother who is clearly at the end of her tether.

I think you should save this battle for another day or another thread and leave Popsy's thread as it should be - a support one

mears · 25/07/2006 17:56

is this useful?

HRHQueenOfQuotes · 25/07/2006 18:00

If I'd have said it p*sses "people" of I'd have got slammed for that too.

I was simply trying to point out that it's an argument that can easily be turned round - so if Popyscal is trying to get solid reasons to give her DH it's maybe not the best one to use.

KathyMCMLXXII · 25/07/2006 18:09

But it's the context, QoQ - if you're talking about a baby of over a year, as in this thread, rather than bf v ff in general, the issues are slightly different aren't they? My dd is now 13 months and when she drinks milk it's very different from how it was when she was younger: she likes holding the bottle herself, guzzles quickly rather than relaxes in your arms, doesn't have the same eye contact.... Maybe it's not the same for everyone, but based on my own experience I can see how if I was still bf her it would be a very different experience than giving her a bottle of milk.

HRHQueenOfQuotes · 25/07/2006 19:27

well speaking from my own experience - DS2 (who was bottlfed almost from birth) still loved to snuggle up in my arms on the sofa with me for his milk, yes he used to drink it quickly - but the cuddles I got from that were a lot quicker than the cuddles I got with DS1 at the same age when he was still having his breastfeeds.

A friend of mine who is still feeding her DS2 on demand (breastfeeding) has the same thing, he 'snacks', and the cuddles are way too short for her liking,

Just wanted to point out that for some people closeness between mum and baby can still be found in bottle feeding (or even juice drinking in the case of DS2 who still likes to snuggle up with his nonspill beaker and he'll be 3 in November )!

Popys wants, quite rightly, solid points to give her DH re the issue, and I don't feel that that particular point is particularly strong.

kiskidee · 25/07/2006 19:53

"...and I don't feel that that particular point is particularly strong"

however, for popsy, it just may be strong hence worth mentioning in case it is. it is not, i am sure you are aware, about what any of us feels is a strong point or a weak point, this thread is about providing popsy with lots information and therefore confidence that bf a toddler is a very positive thing.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 25/07/2006 19:58

Kathy, Kiskidee, clearly QOQ doesnt think it appropriate to leave this thread as a support one. I would suggest not bothering to respond. There is never a right answer, clearly.....

kiskidee · 25/07/2006 20:00

quite vvv.

LaDiDaDi · 25/07/2006 20:13

fgs! VVV, I can entirely see QoQs point of view and your tone towards her in that last post is quite frankly arrogant. If you were that bothered about keeping this as a support thread then why did you bother with your 5.46 post? i think that if you hadn't bothered then the issue would have been over by now!

I am by the way very sorry that popsycal is having these problems and want to encourage her to both continue to breastfeed and resolve the sleep problems .

HRHQueenOfQuotes · 25/07/2006 20:17

psst - ladida - we've taken it off to another thread

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popsycal · 25/07/2006 20:18

Mears - an excellent link thank you very much!

While I appreciate evreyone's point of view, it is really helpful for me if the thread stays on track, For those who have been with me over the last god knows how many months, you will know just how at the end of my tether I am with this. DH has mellowed slightly but is still asking the 'so when do you think you might think about stopping....I am not telling you to stop just wondering'. It has been re-worded goodness knows how many times. My stick response has been 'He enjoys it and it is good for him and as long as he wants to and I want to then I don't know the answer to the question'

As for feeding, just to add to the contentious turn to this thread, we have breastfeeding aerobics in this house so sometimes I get the gorgeous eye contact but other times I get an arse in my face.

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popsycal · 25/07/2006 20:19

dare I ask where this 'other' thread is?

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LaDiDaDi · 25/07/2006 20:20

But isn't it one of those things about being a mum that even their arse is gorgeous!

kiskidee · 25/07/2006 20:20

in breast and bf.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 25/07/2006 20:24

Yep, all of them are georgeous - podgy bums included

How was your night last night Popsy?

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popsycal · 25/07/2006 20:25

ds2 has the joint most gorgeous backside in the world (joint winner with ds1)- don't mind it in my face at all

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misdee · 25/07/2006 20:27

popsycal, i am jyust going to say you can do it in 2 weeks and you will do it! he is in his own room now? i am still having problems with dd3 and sleep but thats mainly as she is back in my room. after peters op, be expecting me about looking for sleep advice lol.

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popsycal · 25/07/2006 20:28

well he isnt in our room but not his own room as such (an embarrasing corner of the spare junk room that we cleared!)

last night
woke loads before i went to bed
settled with shushing

woke at 11:30 settled with shushing aftre about 10 mimnutes of yelling....

slpet til about 3:40
then i fed him without realising
so and

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