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Midwives should never make mothers feel guilty

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mears · 09/07/2006 13:57

I have seen this comment many times from mnetters feeling that they have been made to feel guilty by midwives when they choose to bottlefeed for any reason.

I would just like to say that it can be really difficult to support women through any difficulties that they might be encountering without seeming to say 'breast is the best' way to feed a baby.

When a woman has made the decision to breastfeed, the absolutely worst thing the mum can do with a full term healthy baby is introduce a bottle of formula within the first week. Formula does not correct feeding problems, it compounds them especially if given via a teat.

Babies suck the breast differently than a teat which works in a different way. Mothers need to know how to latch babies properly and know when they are feeding effectively. Babies that are constatly at the breast are usually not latched on properly (causing sore/cracked nipples) or may actually be at the breast but sucking infrequently. Babies are often rooting to get on, then once they are there falling asleep. These babies are best to be stimulated to stay awake during a feed by gently stroking them, blowing gently on their cheek etc. All babies feed better when they are 'skin-to-skin'.

Because there are solutions to breastfeeding problems, midwives will try and dissuade mothers from giving formula. Yes you can express when a feed has been missed because a baby's stomach is full of formula, but a pump is not as effective as a baby at stimulating milk production. It is also the last thing that a tired mum wants to have to do. Also mothers feel undermined when a baby glugs milk out a bottle when they have faffed around at the breast. A baby full on breastmilk will always suck formula from a teat because it is something different. The amount of formula that a baby takes does not equate to how much EBM they need. Mothers then feel they are not producing enough. Confidence is then shattered.

When trying to support a woman through this time, midwives can come across as trying to make women feel guilty when they say they want to give a bottle. The woman needs know the downsides of giving a bottle at this stage. If she wants to still do that, then that is her choice. She should not feel guilty about it. It may make establishing breastfeeding harder in the longrun, but some women find they are still able to do that.

Unfortunately a number of women feel sad that they haven't been able to continue and often that is as a result of poor support from professionals. Sometimes women do not realise that the 'lovely midwife who told me my baby was starving and to give her a bottle' is the one who has encouraged her to fail in her attempt to breastfeed her baby.

Some women try breastfeeding and find that the experience is not one they enjoy. I personally think it great when women say clearly 'I hate this and want to bottle feed'. No problem I say, which formula do you want to give.

No-one should have the ability to make anyone else feel guilty. Women need information to make the right choice for them. Some women will decide that they cannot cope with the demands where breastfeeding has got off to a poor start. They have no need to feel guilty. They are making a choice that is right for them.

Breastfeeding going well is a wonderful experience. Women can get breastfeeding off to a good start by learning as much as they can before delivery and also by having professionals around who can advise them well. Unfortunately that does not always happen

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staceym11 · 10/07/2006 17:33

i think you're right mears.

when i had dd (at the tender age of 17) no one offered any advice on breastfeeding, no one helped and my darling daughter wouldnt open her bloody mouth to latch, the same as she never properly latched onto a bottle properly adn still doesnt!!! (not that she should be having a bottle at 20 months).

i didnt pursue help and no one offered it, my fault possibly but i also feel they are partly to blame for telling me if dd wasnt taking ( a mear 2 hrs after her birth ) to give her a bottle.

now at 19 a little more informed and with the support of mumsnet i hope to b/f the next baby im cooking.

so mears and hunker i might be seeking you out come nov!!!

YellowFeathers · 10/07/2006 17:55

I saw one of the MWs from our area a couple of weeks ago. Obviously since we've moved areas they've had to take all my details again.
She asked how my dd was fed and I told her it was the bottle but that I had wanted to breast feed but sadly it didn't work and that if I'd have had the support I probably could have done it.
She then asked how I intended to feed this baby and I had said I wanted to give the breast another go to which she abruptly said "Good good". She also told me about some breast feeding classes and the people available in the area that offer support with it.

Now while all this is great news I can't help but think if I decide not to carry on breast feeding or if I'm struggling and decide to stop, that I'll be met with a brick wall and lots of scowling faces.
If I manage to breast feed and its not going great and I decide to stop and baby won't take a bottle, will the help that I need, be available?

Asur · 10/07/2006 18:16

Have to agree about this being a good thread

I think there needs to be a better level of support to women however they choose to feed their baby. I personally haven't had any problems - DS knew exactly what he was doing. However, the woman next to me in the hospital ward didn't seem to be getting help though. She had been in for over a week (baby getting antibiotics) She kept saying that her milk hadn't come in yet so she was giving formula to satisfy the baby as baby kept wanting to feed (she wasn't told that this would encourage her milk supply) She had to explain what she was doing everytime a MW came round as always a different one. None of them offered help or advised on how to make her feel more confident, they just kept getting more bottles for her. The ward was very close to the WM office and I clearly heard them discussing the woman and saying she "has decided to bottle feed but won't admit that she doesn't want to bother breastfeeding"

I thought that was awful as it seemed to me that the woman really wanted to breastfeed (and she said this to each MW) but she was given no support and therefore the decision was taken out of her hands. Very unfair.

And yet I had been having no problems but a MW who had just given bottle to other woman saw I was just about to latch DS on for another feed, she swiftly came over to me, grabbed my boob and shoved it in DS's mouth then walked away! Most random and rude thing! They maybe only wanted to offer help when there wasn't any problems, much easier that way - for them, not for the struggling mothers

As for education, I think partners need to get the education too. A tired, sore new mother struggling with a newborn can easily end up making a decision she'll regret due lack of support. I went to a bf workshop before DS was born but partners were not allowed to attend. This was particularly ironic when at the workshop, they said that partners should provide lots of support - how can they support on something they don't know anything about? stupid system IME

(sorry for long rambling post )

bamboozleslover · 10/07/2006 21:31

When i had my ds i despearetly wanted to bf, but i didn't really have a clue what i was doing. i had read all the leaflets and websites etc but when putting it into practice it was not as easy as it all sounded. the midwife who had delivered my ds was going off shift about an hour after he was born and although she did stay with me trying to get him to latch on for a bit all she did waskeep shoving my boob in his mouth. she didn't actually tell me anything i could do to help things. then a few hours later another midwife came around and said if he hadn't fed we wouldn't be able to go home and i should give him a bottle cos he would be starving as he hadn't fed since he was born. i still desperately wanted to breastfeed and thought in the comfort of my own home i would manage it. i am still trying to perservere but now HV is not happy because he has lost weight. tbh he doesn't feed well on breast or bottle (he has some EBM) - he has something called floppy larynx syndrome which makes it difficult for him to breathe when feeding. they want to put him on some increased calorie formula and if he still fails to thrive he will have to go to hospital. i hate the fact that he doesn't want to feed let alone breastfeed. he has been known to go 9 hours without a feed cos he just refuses to take anything and then i doubt he's even had enough. going to still try and keep up with the breastfeedingm but i can't help but think it is all gonna end very soon

hunkermunker · 10/07/2006 21:32

bamboozleslover, if I was you, I'd start a thread for advice - hang on, will do it for you and post a link to it here.

hunkermunker · 10/07/2006 21:34

here's the thread - just realised I should explain it's for you, not me!

Pruni · 10/07/2006 21:43

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tiktok · 11/07/2006 00:05

Just want to correct something mention way down the thread - you do not have to go to classes, or be a member, of NCT to get NCT bf help. Anyone can call the bf line (and the other vol org bf help, too). Most of the people I speak to have not had any dealings with NCT at all.

NappiesGalore · 11/07/2006 00:41

am the daughter of a v pro-bf'ing MW and always expected to bf as i thought it was the norm. found the reality of bf'ing ds1 extremely difficult and no-one seemed to be able to explain why. it got better w time and then ds2 was born 13monhs later and he was a nu=atural. on the breast 5 seconds after birth and feeding away nicely,bless 'im. thought i'd cracked it.
then ds3 was born 18months later (yes, i know. have figured out what causes it now ) and blow me, but it was a bloody nightmare again. turned out to be a tongue tie. not severe but enough to cause me lots of pain. this is soooooo what was wrong first time. why didnt anyone suggest it????? inc bloody mother. think more awareness needed.

spugs · 13/07/2006 20:26

My midwives were really supportive and sent me on a workshop, i tried BF my 1st daughter and only managed 10 days which were total agony. So when my midwives this time told me it shouldnt hurt if there latched on properly i thought great and was really positive - turns out it was not ment to be, as soon as my daughter was born i put her to the breast and within a couple of hours was in agony. I got a midwife to check she was latched on properly every time i fed her but within 24 hours i had 2 very painful and cracked nipples. But my midwife was very supportive of my decision to stop and said she understood because she had been the same, i wish i could breast feed but bubbas doing fine on the bottle so never mind.

tiktok · 13/07/2006 23:38

spugs, that's a sad story.

Nipples which crack as badly as yours did within such a short time are the result of the way the baby is positioned and attached - I get very cross when I hear of midwives who say the baby is well latched on in these cases, when the mother is telling them she is in pain.

There may have been something else going on (tongue tie with the baby, perhaps) but it's almost certainly the case you could have been helped : (

nearlythree · 14/07/2006 12:01

I gave up bfeeding dd1 after she'd been in Nicu and I got mastitis. I was all over the place and seriously depressed, and the m/wife told me I 'lacked courage'. I can't tell you how badly that affected me - I really did think I was a coward and a bad mother. It was only after having dd2 and everything went swimmingly re bf (we bfed for 2 yrs) that I realised I had no choice over what happened with dd1 and that I was actually brave for making the decision to bottlefeed and start bonding with her rather than look on her as a source of pain. Now I have ds and he has a tongue-tie. He's chewed me to bits, and when I came home dd2 had been in hospital ,and both girls got CP, and I got mastisis again, so I am bottlefeeding again. This time my mw (a different one) has praised me for making the right decision for me and my family. I'm a tiny bit sad, but looking at the bigger picture it's the least of my worries given how ill the kids have been.

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