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Midwives should never make mothers feel guilty

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mears · 09/07/2006 13:57

I have seen this comment many times from mnetters feeling that they have been made to feel guilty by midwives when they choose to bottlefeed for any reason.

I would just like to say that it can be really difficult to support women through any difficulties that they might be encountering without seeming to say 'breast is the best' way to feed a baby.

When a woman has made the decision to breastfeed, the absolutely worst thing the mum can do with a full term healthy baby is introduce a bottle of formula within the first week. Formula does not correct feeding problems, it compounds them especially if given via a teat.

Babies suck the breast differently than a teat which works in a different way. Mothers need to know how to latch babies properly and know when they are feeding effectively. Babies that are constatly at the breast are usually not latched on properly (causing sore/cracked nipples) or may actually be at the breast but sucking infrequently. Babies are often rooting to get on, then once they are there falling asleep. These babies are best to be stimulated to stay awake during a feed by gently stroking them, blowing gently on their cheek etc. All babies feed better when they are 'skin-to-skin'.

Because there are solutions to breastfeeding problems, midwives will try and dissuade mothers from giving formula. Yes you can express when a feed has been missed because a baby's stomach is full of formula, but a pump is not as effective as a baby at stimulating milk production. It is also the last thing that a tired mum wants to have to do. Also mothers feel undermined when a baby glugs milk out a bottle when they have faffed around at the breast. A baby full on breastmilk will always suck formula from a teat because it is something different. The amount of formula that a baby takes does not equate to how much EBM they need. Mothers then feel they are not producing enough. Confidence is then shattered.

When trying to support a woman through this time, midwives can come across as trying to make women feel guilty when they say they want to give a bottle. The woman needs know the downsides of giving a bottle at this stage. If she wants to still do that, then that is her choice. She should not feel guilty about it. It may make establishing breastfeeding harder in the longrun, but some women find they are still able to do that.

Unfortunately a number of women feel sad that they haven't been able to continue and often that is as a result of poor support from professionals. Sometimes women do not realise that the 'lovely midwife who told me my baby was starving and to give her a bottle' is the one who has encouraged her to fail in her attempt to breastfeed her baby.

Some women try breastfeeding and find that the experience is not one they enjoy. I personally think it great when women say clearly 'I hate this and want to bottle feed'. No problem I say, which formula do you want to give.

No-one should have the ability to make anyone else feel guilty. Women need information to make the right choice for them. Some women will decide that they cannot cope with the demands where breastfeeding has got off to a poor start. They have no need to feel guilty. They are making a choice that is right for them.

Breastfeeding going well is a wonderful experience. Women can get breastfeeding off to a good start by learning as much as they can before delivery and also by having professionals around who can advise them well. Unfortunately that does not always happen

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meowmix · 10/07/2006 11:54

Blimey Mears - wish you'd been around when ds popped out. My midwife pretty much had a bottle of formula in one hand as she delivered him! (he was low birth weight, and expected to be smaller and they really wanted me to combi feed from day dot) Funnily enough he never really took to the breast and they all just acted like I was a bit insane to keep trying. Finally had to call it quits at 6 weeks. A big regret.

still he's solid enough nowadays. Gonna be a strapping lad.

flutterbee · 10/07/2006 12:03

When I had DS he was put straigh into scbu because he was nearly 6 weeks early. All of the nurses and midwives in the unit were fab. I went down to visit ds about an hour after giving birth and straight away he was put to the breast by the wonderful sister and she got him to latch straight on, I can't deny what an amazing feeling it was. We were in scbu fro a week and feeding had been up and down, the support I had got was amazing but I had never really cracked it on my own and all the other Mums on scbu were telling me to give up

I went home and perservered for 2 more weeks and finally when the midwife told me he had lost weight again I gave up. My midwife was great both when I was breast feeding and when I decided to bottle feed.

Looking back I didn't enjoy the experience and was so happy when I finally gave it up. The sigh of relief I breathed would have been heard around the country.

I feel no guilt for the amount of time I did or didn't breastfeed and plan to breastfeed with the next one. If I have the same people around me who supported and listened to me then it won't matter if I make it to 3 weeks or 3 years. I just wish everyone could have the same support.

FloatingOnTheMed · 10/07/2006 12:04

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JessaJam · 10/07/2006 12:09

SO wish I'd had MN around when I was trying to BF. Stopped at about 3 weeks and did mixed feeding with ebm and some formula until 4 months when supply finally gave up!

Still can't get over my MW saying "that doesn't look that bad" about my nipple which resembled freshly minced beef!!!

I do still feel guilty, especially now DS seems to have hayfever and asthmatic tendencies, because there is a part of me that still says " a real mummy would have been able to feed through the agony, the bleeding and the ridiculous engorgement and potentially undiagnosed thrush"

Re DH/DP bonding, DH bonded hugely with ds during the first couple of weeks by being the one who could comfort him with cuddles and motion - as my boobs were SO hard and SO tender that I couldn't hold him close to me at all...

Jasnem · 10/07/2006 12:09

This thread is wonderful...

JessaJam · 10/07/2006 12:11

Agree, this is a lovely thread, even the negative experiences are being presented nicely and not used as anti-bf diatribe.

moondog · 10/07/2006 12:12

Ouch at freshly minced beef nipple!!

JessaJam · 10/07/2006 12:14

ouch is one word that you could use, yes...I foudn several others myself!

womblingalong · 10/07/2006 12:36

I second what PigeonPie said about this being a great thread. I have a 22m DD, and I gave up BF at 16 weeks, and I still get upset about it now. I was encouraged to give up, as 'obviously my milk supply wasn't good enough' (from HV at clinic), and misdiagnosed lactose intolerance. DD was eventually correctly diagnosed with hidden reflux, 10 weeks after i had suggested that might be what was wrong with her, not colic, again ignored by another HV

I really wanted to BF, and tried really hard, but agree with whoever said that there should be more antenatal info about breastfeeding. I remember thinking before I gave birth that breastfeeding would be easy, as it was the most 'natural' thing in the world, and it would all happen 'right' for me. No one ever said justpersevere,it is really difficult to do, but it will get easier. Or explained about things like clusterfeeding, what supplementing would do to my milk supply etc, and then this was compounded the advice in books to supplment with formula/ebm, it was all so confusing, I didn't know what I was doing, and what was the right thing to do.

Midwives did check I was latching her on correctly, but it was still so painful, and because a number of MW/HV told me she was latched on correctly, I thought there was something wrong with me.

I remember having my dd to the breast almost constantly for over 12 hours one day, and by 3am being so distraught that my husband went to the s/market to get formula and a bottle. I was so emotionally vulnerable, and shocked at how hard the reality was, and got everything screwed up. I wish I had known about MN then, I never managed to get any support from NCT, as I did not get into a class before birth, and felt that I would not be accepted if I tried to join after birth IYSWIM.

When I read about all the advice on here, and hear about so many positive experiences, it makes me want to cry that I didn't manage to 'suceed'.

JessaJam · 10/07/2006 12:46

My MW was encouraging, but not particularly helpful...her advice felt a bit dismissive, although the content may have been fine, the tone made me feel a bit daft for mentioning the pain, again, etc. She did tell me it would get easier (in a couple of weeks time you'll have nipples that would stretch roun dthe corner... (WTF?), that it was normal for it to hurt at first etc she checked ds's latch and said it was fine...but it obviously wasn't hence minced nipples...

Like so many, I assumed I would BF and that it would be 'relatively' easy. I didn't do a lot of reading aroudn teh subject in advance, mainly because I personally get put off by the style of some books and, again, thought it was 'natural' so why do you need a book about it (d'oh, silly silly jessajam!). Had no idea about newborns feeding so frequently, for so long/short a time etc etc.
I now know this is my flaw, I under-react!!

I actually know more about BFing now that I did when I was actually doing it!

CarolinaMoose · 10/07/2006 12:48

Pruni, my ds had jaundice (not severely, but his bilirubin levels were on the borderline between ok and worrying), and no one suggested I express anything. How odd.

I noticed he was turning orange on day 2, so he was put under a phototherapy lamp at my bedside. He slept a fair bit under it that day but was ravenously hungry by the evening and fed all night (literally - I put him in his cot at 5am because I was starting to see flashing lights. Wish I'd know I could bf lying down without squishing him!). I think it was just colostrum at that point, and it did seem to stop his bilirubin levels rising.

After another day or so they took the lamp away because he was never under it - too busy bfing.

From reading LLL's Womanly Art of Bfing (crap title, good book), I think ds's jaundice was poss made worse by him being too sleepy to bf the day he was born. Next time I'll try and feed as much as poss the first day . I think PigeonPie is right about giving water in serious cases if bf alone isn't enough - I wouldn't be keen to try the phototherapy lamp again.

Littlefish · 10/07/2006 12:51

I agree - this is a great thread.

There are so many sensible things being said here about education around breastfeeding being given before birth. I can't remember whether there is a leaflet with the "bounty" packs, beyond the "mummy to tummy message". I definitely think I would have been helped by some information about what to do if you think things are going wrong.

I also agree with Pruni about not knowing you were asking/saying the wrong things - e.g. baby being sleepy -vs- baby being jaundiced. I really think that it has to be down to the professionals to pick up on clues from parents and work with that information. One day 2, whilst still in hospital, I kept saying that my nipple was hurting, but no-one checked my latch. Perhaps if I'd said "I think the baby is latching on incorrectly" I would have had more success. But, it shouldn't have mattered. Help should have been available based on the inforamtion I had given.

I am incredibly pro-breastfeeding, inspite of my poor success and it's lovely to see an intellegent exchange of views!

Littlefish · 10/07/2006 12:52

Womblingalong - I completely understand. I felt the same . It's very hard to let go, isn't it.

Jasnem · 10/07/2006 13:01

JessaJam - I "under-react", too. It worked for me as bf was relatively easy the first two times (that's 2 babies, not 2 feeds!)
Then with my third, I experienced lots of problemsbut in the early days midwives/hv seem to assume you don't need help, and I didn't want to admit how hard it was. When it became clear to me that my problems were getting worse, I relied on mn for help, and bf support lind, as I had left it too long for mw to be available. HV was kind, and didn't suggest I FF, but no actual help.
I'm still struggling at 4 months, but not as badly as earlier.

womblingalong · 10/07/2006 13:04

Thanks Littlefish, that means a lot to me I know just what you mean about you making yourself feel guilty, I felt guilty at not doing it, guilty for continuing to do it (because I was 'causing' her low weight gain - as my milk was not good enough) etc etc, we are ourt own worst enemies sometimes

bubblepop · 10/07/2006 13:09

one thing that sticks in my mind is the ignorance of health visitors when it comes to breast feeding, they just don't seem to know much about it. breastfeeding advice people are always difficult to get hold of, always got their answer phone on (and reply to you 3 days later)and the midwives in the hospital are rushed off their feet so can't spare much time.what a new mum needs is someone with the time to just pour over every detail and then to follow up the issue with plenty of support.im sure more of us mums would succeed to breastfeed for longer if we got the right help. i think its very sad that mums are made to feel guilty about formula feeding though, anyone would think it is poison the way some people carry on about it.

Littlefish · 10/07/2006 13:12

Mears, how much breastfeeding training do midwives have? Is it a priority? I read an interesting thread recently from a GP explaining how little training they get about breastfeeding.

Littlefish · 10/07/2006 13:13

Sorry - also Mears, do you know how much training Health Visitors have? Do Health Visitors have to be Midwives before they can be Health Visitors (if you see what I mean!)

Highlander · 10/07/2006 14:05

I only have 1 DS, and he fed like a demon with no probs for 18 months, so I can't comment on the the determination required to keep going with BFing when you have probs.

I have 1 or 2 friends who have successfully overcome problems in the early days, and a huge factor in their success is getting a midwife in hospital to sit down with a 'I have all the time in the world' attitude and coax them through those horrible early days. Given that most obstetric units have only 1/3 of the midwives they need (is that right?), I can't see how the UK is going to boost BF rates when most women who attempt to BF seem to leave hospital no further forward than they were when they were in labour!

However, I am horrified by the attitude of some (dare I say most?) women who spend 90% of their time during pregnancy planning the contents of their hospital bag and the colour scheme of the nursery and virtually no time on educating themsleves on breastfeeding or parenting a newborn. They seem to think 24 hours in hosital and a quick visit from the midwife at home is all that's required.

More midwives, waaaaaaaaaaaay more training for midwives and HVs.

A heck of a lot more time spent on BFing as part of the ante-natal education.

moondog · 10/07/2006 15:43

I think that is a good point Highlander re time money and effort put into purchasing Monsieur Lionheart 180 degree revolving three point pushchair upholstered in ermine with matching cat fur accessories bag.

LaDiDaDi · 10/07/2006 15:45

I am going to force one of my friends to read this thread to cheer herself a bit about feeding. She has a two week old ds and had really poor support with bfeeding in hospital and got dreadful nipple damage then developed mastitis and is feeling really tearful about how hard she is finding breasfeeding when she really wants to do it and had read and prepared lots antenatally.

expatinscotland · 10/07/2006 15:49

I was told my latch was fine, too, after DD2's birth. But that night, when the angry blisters showed up, another midwife commented, 'That looks sore.'

Um, yeah, it was.

KathyMCMLXXII · 10/07/2006 15:59

Highlander - excellent point about the amount of time devoted to buying stuff rather than learning about bf in particular. However, I don't blame people for doing that as it's basically what society tells them they should be doing - the majority of parenting mags are (for obvious reasons) all about shopping. Also, given that you get given heaps and heaps of free bf leaflets, dvds etc, but all very brief and basically saying the same thing, you can't blame people for thinking that that's all they need to know.
It wouldn't have occurred to me to buy a book about bf if it hadn't been recommended to me by a friend, but The Womanly Art of Bf turned out to probably be my most essential parenting book. The same friend posted me her government bf leaflets from the US and they were about 6 times as detailed as what the NHS gave us.

JessaJam · 10/07/2006 16:00

see, now I really want another baby, so I can try and get BF right this time!!!!!

Littlefish · 10/07/2006 17:14

Me too

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