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Please help. Feeling so down about 19mo bf DS.

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pigsmightnevercease · 18/04/2012 06:14

DS is 19 mo and has never slept well. I've namechanged recently, but have been posting on here about his sleep since he was a couple of weeks old. He's better than he was, but usually still wakes once a night. I work almost full time and I'm exhausted.

After a few disastrous attempts at sleep training (lots of screaming and no sleep) I've mainly gone for the 'path of least resistance' style of parenting - bf to sleep, bf back to sleep in the night. Lately we've been having some success just bringing DS in with us when he wakes at 2 or 3am - he'll cry for a couple of minutes, then cuddle up and go to sleep without boob. We were doing well and I hadn't fed at night for five nights.

This morning he woke at 4:45am and screamed and thrashed around in our bed for an hour. I gave him water but he just wanted boob and wouldn't settle for less. Eventually he started bashing me in the face :( so DH took him downstairs. He's now having breakfast and happy as Larry.

I feel so guilty that DH has been awake since DS woke (he's looking after DS today) but equally I know if I'd given in and fed him it would've taught him that if he screams long enough he'll get boob.

I feel really held to ransom because DS is a real daddy's boy (a whole other thread) - if DH is around it's like I don't exist - a lot of the time he won't even let me pick him up :( - except when he wants boob, then it's mummy, mummy, mummy all the way. So I feel like I can't stop bf because it's the only reason DS ever wants his mummy and the only real time I get to snuggle up with him :(

I had PND during his first year and worry that maybe he picked up on it and that's why he gravitates towards his dad.

Not sure what I'm asking, really. I guess it's how can I stop feeding at night and get some sleep? Do I have to stop bf altogether? I feel I've made such a mess of things :(

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Rosa · 18/04/2012 06:20

Your poor thing you are not a failure and well done for bf up to 19 mths . I don't have any personal experience apart from having a very headstrong , determined dd who knows what she wants and even at an early age played one parent off agaisnt another she is now 3 and still does it. When dh is at home she is glue to him until she is told lff and then its me.
I am sure somebody will come along with more practical advice but I would still try with water esp if he is eating well and maybe if you want to stop then its best if dh goes to settle him at nights.
You will get opportunities for cuddles, maybe infont of the tv , or at bedtime ... Good luck and don't beat yourself up.

StealthPolarBear · 18/04/2012 06:30

Is there a problem feeding in the night?

What worked for us was me going away for a couple of nights and dd getting only daddy. He didn't let her cry but gave her water and cuddles bit she knew I was not there. She went from pretty Mich bf all night to regularly sleeping through. She was 2.

StealthPolarBear · 18/04/2012 06:32

Sorry just read I'm exhausted. Ignore my question. Just didn't want you stopping because you felt you had to, if it was working fine.
Dd now 2y7 and still bf at night btw so it can continue if you want it to

pigsmightnevercease · 18/04/2012 06:41

Thanks both.

Stealth, it's mainly because I'm knackered that I want to stop but there's definitely an element of feelIng like I should stop - I don't know anyone who's bf at all at this age, let alone still feeding at night. So I do feel a certain pressure that DS should be able to self-settle at bedtime and sleep through like all the other babies we know, and that I've messed it all up because he doesn't.

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StealthPolarBear · 18/04/2012 06:44

Well. As I said I fed at night until she was 2, while it worked, it worked. But if its not working, then I agree, time to stop. I really think the key is them knowing therws no chance of breastfeeding. Is that an option? Plus means u get a full nights sleep!

StealthPolarBear · 18/04/2012 06:45

Sorry, posts are coming across a bit terse and arsey! On phone.

pigsmightnevercease · 18/04/2012 06:48

I'm going away for a night in June - a friend's wedding. It'll be my first night away from DS. So maybe we should see what happens then. Sod's law he sleeps through and doesn't even notice I'm gone (he does sleep through once in a blue moon).

I don't know. Up to now I've thought the same - if it works, just do it and don't worry about it. It's just that we seemed to be getting somewhere naturally without really making the conscious decision to stop and now it's all gone tits up (if you'll excuse the pun).

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pigsmightnevercease · 18/04/2012 08:31

Bumping in case anyone else has any ideas...

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Booboostoo · 18/04/2012 09:24

You've done brilliantly to bf so long.

I don't know if this would work for you but why not just bf him to sleep everytime he wakes up? The WHO recommends bf for a minimum of 2 years, no maximum, so if it works and he goes back to sleep it might be the fastest and easiest way for everyone. I co-sleep with DD (DH has moved into another room for now) and bf everytime she wakes (which is a lot!), but it is the only way I get any sleep at all!

Hope you find a solution!

Kveta · 18/04/2012 11:14

pigs he sounds a LOT like my DS (also a total daddy's boy!). It is knackering, isn't it?!

anyway, my DS is 2.6 and still gets one feed a day, but we cut down fairly drastically from when he was about 20 months, as I was broken with exhaustion and sick of the toddler in bed thrashing about until he gets his own way every sodding night.

We tried controlled crying, which did not work.

When he was 1, we got him checked by the GP for underlying problems behind his sleep, and found he had an ear infection - he had an ear infection from about 13 months until about 20 months, and it was a pain, for him and us, but at least explained why he needed to feed all night long! (and bizarrely, he hasn't had one since Confused)

When he got over the ear infection, and got the all clear from the ENT consultant, I started night weaning (I work 5 days a week, not full time, but long enough days that I needed some sleep occasionally!). We did this by offering water instead of boob for one feed at a time - so 1st week, the 10pm feed was phased out, 2nd week the 2am feed, etc etc. There was some angry yelling and furrowed brows from him, but it was tough. By his 2nd birthday he was down to morning and evening only, and by 2.1 he was down to morning only (also I was newly pg with DC2 by then and it hurt to feed). He still has morning only now, and very occasionally I'll let him have a feed at some other time. I also went away for 6 nights with work when he was 18 months old, and he survived, but didn't sleep well for DH!

Regarding getting him to self settle, well that was a battle, but it seems to be working...

On advice from our HV when DS was about 22 months, we got a book called Teach Your Child To Sleep, by the Millpond Clinic. It has some good suggestions and familiar scenarios for parents of poor sleepers.

We used a technique called gradual withdrawal from that book, and it took a few weeks, but eventually we got him self-settling, and sleeping through 4 nights out of 7! It was amazing. (and also when we foolishly thought we'd try for a second child, oops).

He reverted back to atrocious sleep a few months later, but now we've had a couple of weeks where we put him in bed, say goodnight, and leave the room, and he generally just settles himself down.

But back to the feeding.
One issue we have is that DS does noticeably sleep better after a decent meal in the evening. If he doesn't eat well, he is up earlier, and looking for milk. Does your DS eat well at the moment? if you can try loading him up with carbs before bed (rice pudding is a good one here!), that may help?

also worth instigating a good bed time routine (I know, I know), as ours has worked wonders. Sadly it wakes him up more when he is genuinely ready for bed, but he does at least know that 6pm means bath and then nappy on, pyjamas on, maximum of 3 stories, then BED.

hope you get some sleep soon, and feel a bit better, as lack of sleep is so bloody debilitating.

HereIGo · 18/04/2012 12:05

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Kveta · 18/04/2012 12:13

HereIGo - I do see what you're saying, but from my experience, it isn't necessary to completely give up bfing to keep your sanity. For some women, giving up completely will seem even worse than just cutting down.

And as I said, I left DS for a week when he was 18 months, and he didn't sleep through at all, and pretty much undid my top himself when I got home, he was so desperate for a feed, so going cold turkey does not work with every child!

Glad it worked for you though! :)

slowlyburningcalories · 18/04/2012 12:19

My DD is 20mo, she wakes 3-4 times a night, she has slept 5hour stretches four times since birth.

We have tried a week of DH in with her to night wean. No success. I hold close to the idea it is developmental and once she has conquered whatever hurdle she is working on then we will be able to sleep better. Today she was up at 5am.

DH and I both work -we are beyond exhausted, but DD will not sleep. BFing is too important to me to give up just yet.

pigsmightnevercease · 18/04/2012 12:37

Wow, thank you all so much for posting. Loads to think about there. I'm trying not to fall asleep at my desk at work ATM but I'll post again properly later. Really appreciate all your posts, though.

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HereIGo · 18/04/2012 14:03

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pigsmightnevercease · 18/04/2012 20:05

Right. I'm back. Feeding DS to sleep Hmm

HereIGo, you're right. There's a lot of emotion there. My PND was very closely linked to DS's sleep ishoos, so it's a very sensitive subject I guess. I think you're right in that bf can really contribute to those emotions. DS went on a nursing strike for four days when he was 13 mo and it was awful - I was so upset. The thing is, like slowlyburning, I sort of cling to bf because it's the only way I know he'll go to sleep. It's not because I'm desperate to stick to WHO guidelines or anything. I do get fed up now and again but DS is so wedded to it now I have no idea how to stop at the moment. And there are aspects of it I love, especially the closeness (he just stopped for a couple of seconds to blow me a kiss Grin).

I do quite like your idea of decamping to another room with earplugs for a night or two. DS does settle fine for DH for naps but if he knows I'm there he wants boob. If DH took him into our room and showed him I wasn't there, it might do the trick. At least then I could catch up on sleep.

booboo (v appropriate name - in fact DS has said it at least six times since I've been typing this) I feed back to sleep at the moment but every now and then I think, 'bloody hell, this is daft' and try and fix it, and it results in mornings like this morning.

Kveta I've heard about that Millpond book. Might have to add it to my extensive collection. Glad it's not just me with a daddy's boy - it's so gutting that during the day he's glued to DH but at 4am only I will do Hmm Congrats on DC2 :)

Thank you all again for your posts. It's good to know others have struggled with this too. It sometimes feels like everyone's babies sleep brilliantly Envy and it's just mine that won't sleep.

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AngelDog · 18/04/2012 21:58

18-21/22 months is 'the mother of all developmental spurts' and the cause of the 18(ish) month sleep regression. Lots of children don't sleep well at that age, irrespective of feeding.

I've taken the path of least resistance with my now 2.3 y.o. He was feeding once a night before the 18 month regression (amazing! as it was 5 times a night shortly before), then 3-5 times a night, then back to twice, then once. Now he's feeding far too often. But I'm always too tired when he wakes me to do anything but feed - if I don't, he's always up for 1.5 hours before he gets sleepy again.

I did try reducing night feeds but he continued to wake, and was much harder to get back to sleep. He doesn't feed all the way to sleep at bedtime any more, but it hasn't improved night waking much though.

I would suggest trying to either going for night weaning (or cutting down) or not. The worst is when you decide to try something off the cuff and end up sleep deprived and grumpy.

AngelDog · 18/04/2012 21:59

Sorry, forgot to add the link about the developmental leap: here.

pigsmightnevercease · 18/04/2012 22:35

Thanks AngelDog. We've crossed paths on a few sleep threads (before I namechanged). Sorry to hear your DS still isn't sleeping too well. You must be shattered. Mine usually only wakes once (usually after 2am) so I guess it isn't as bad as it could be. He slept through quite a bit just after he turned 1 but hasn't for ages now Confused - bloody developmental leaps, eh...

His speech is really picking up ATM so maybe that's something to do with it. It's taking ages to feed him to sleep at bedtime because he keeps unlatching, pointing to my boob and saying 'booboo' Hmm Grin

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Booboostoo · 19/04/2012 09:08

Awww! I know it's not funny for the sleep deprived you, but it is cute! Grin He's probably pleased with himself for learning a new word!

ZimboMum · 19/04/2012 13:00

pigsmight - I have a 17mo DS and I also feel held to ransom by him. Nothing but boob works to put him to sleep and like you, we have taken the path of least resistance - feeding to sleep and brought into our bed at night if he wakes. I feel lucky that he generally only wakes up once and that is usually at 3-4am and a quick feed and he's back asleep until 7ish.

It's kind of working for us - I'm tired but coping. We get a lot more sleep this way. I posted about this (and other probs I thought I had in the parenting topic yesterday) and I'm starting to realise the reason I worry about it is because everyone else I know has perfectly sleeping babies, who eat and talk and do everything else just marvellously and it made me feel crap and like I needed to change something. I also wanted to nightwean without giving up bf. Ds is also a daddy's boy and I'm scared of losing that bond. It's so hard.

ZimboMum · 19/04/2012 13:02

Sorry - just realised my post is really just rambling. Can't think of anything constructive but will be watching with interest.

pigsmightnevercease · 19/04/2012 20:00

Zimbo that's pretty much our approach too, and I'd say I'm tired but coping. I do feel that pressure every now and then, though.

It seems to be accepted wisdom that if you feed at night, the baby wakes for a feed, and if you night wean, they sleep through. That may be true for some babies but not all. We tried night weaning at six months (I know, I know - a sleep consultant advised it while I had PND) and he still woke every hour or two. Only difference was we had to pat him to sleep or whatever.

I'm rambling now...

Hope things improve for you soon. I think I might just accept it and carry on for a few more months.

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nearlytherenow · 19/04/2012 20:22

Oh you poor thing, neither have mine have been good sleepers, it really is grim isn't it.

I think you've probably been through all of the obvious things by now - some babies are just more bloody minded resistant than others.

Just wanted to give you a bit of hope - at 19 months, you're not that far off from having a whole host of new tricks to try. Soon he'll be able to understand a Gro Clock, sticker charts, appreciate a nightlight / bedside torch, help himself to a drink of water left by the bed... my DS1 became a much more reliable sleeper once he was able to understand that we actually did desperately want to put him to bed in the evening and not see him again for 10+ hours, and once there was something in it for him.

In the meantime, weekend lie-ins are my saviour. Absolutely sacrosanct in this house. One day each, ideally when the offending child (children in my case) is actually removed from the premises by the other parent so that you can get an extra couple of hours' sleep without any interruption.

pigsmightnevercease · 19/04/2012 21:05

nearlytherenow your post really has helped. It's so difficult, when you're in the moment, to imagine things being any different than they are but I know one day I'll actually be able to explain all this to him!

Agree re weekend lie-ins - DH is great like that and always lets me sleep in if I've been up at night feeding.

And I did LOL at 'the offending child' Grin

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