New Nestlé unidose artificial milk capsules and machine

[Greythorne]

Inspired by the success of the Nespresso machine, Nestlé have come up trumps this time.

This is the first comprehensive baby nutrition system, don't you know?

no formula powder is sterile. that's why even single serving sachets are meant to be prepared with water at 70 degrees.

i have to say when i was ffing ds1 the guidelines were quite different. That was only 5 yrs ago, but after (thankfully rare) cases of babies being made very ill even in wealthy countries by formula, WHO changed the guidelines.

Nope, the powder isn't sterile - no powdered formula is. Which is why we have guidelines about making up with water over 70 degrees. Guidelines, interestingly, that Nestle haven't been too keen to promote.

gosh, that really is awful then - loads of people would assume they wouldn't sell something unsafe and so buy it without realising.
horrible.

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I had no idea either! I used to make ds1's formula up for the whole day with the manky scoop thing which wasn't even sterilised.

Anywya, lucky for us we never had any probs, but for those who do it must be awful.

Formula companies should be more forthcoming with info on how to make ffing safe!

It looks like it based more on the Nescafe Dolce gusto coffee maker which does have powder in the capsule. To make the cappucino you use a milk powder capsule followed by a coffee powder capsule

Although it doesn't appeal to me, it seems like a good idea if you're into that sort of thing. I can think of lots of people (especially dads) who, if they found themselves in need of formula would like this system.

Blimey.

Mumswang & ItdoesntBodenwell - the thing is the power itself can't be guaranteed sterile - there have been recalls where the sealed powder has been found to have bacteria in - so the WHO recommendation is to make formula w boiling water and then cool it. This machine doesn't do that.

It's a marketing stroke of genius - like Nespresso cause it ties parents into a proprietary system.

Good grief.

Nethuns, how do you know it's powder?

This one has been around for a while. Similar, but you would put your own powdered formula into it. Again that it doesn't heat the water the the reccommended 70 deg minimum.

tells you on the website it is powder.

ingredients - no 'eau'.

www.babynes.ch/FR/CAPSULES-LAIT-INFANTILE-BABYNES/NUTRITION-EVOLUTIVE/Pages/1er-mois.aspx

ooops!

Is the whole sterility debate not missing the point?? As no food ever is sterile and doesn't need to be, indeed shouldn't be. BM is not sterile as boobs tend not to be (never boiled mine anyway ).

It's the whole idea that you 'need' an expensive machine that needs power, will clutter up landfill, can break down to feed your child that makes me really quite irate .

What a load of nonsense! Mind, I really think fancy coffee machines are crap unnecessary too, although DH is proud owner of a Nespresso machine which lives in his office.

It seems like one of those things people buy/have bought for them before their first baby is born, when they have no idea which gadgets are useful and which are a waste of money. I mean it 'solves' two of the least onerous parts of ff- boiling the kettle and scooping the powder. It does nothing to make the faffier bits easier -e.g. Sterilising bottles, making up feeds when you are on the road, and it doesn't make ff safer.

It's main function (other than tying people into Nestle brand formula) seems to be to make infant feeding more urban and aspirational and George Clooneyish, and less like something done by frazzled new mums in stained t-shirts with bad hair.

i boil my boobs before each feed

bm is sterile plus the macrophages 'eat' any harmful bacteria on the nipple. formula, like cows' milk, breeds germs like crazy.

anyhoo, yes, it is a piece of shit too. if not using boobs, a steriliser and kettle work very well.

This is maddening, because if they are preparing it in the little capsule thing, surely they could just add 70* water to the capsule to dissolve the powder, and then cooler water into the bottle, like the half and half method. They could make the machine prepare formula in such a way that bypasses any potential human error in dosages, temperature etc, but they haven't.

I don't have a problem with something that makes FF easier, but I am suspicious of nestle. I bet they have patented the little capsules as well so nobody else can produce compatible ones.

If it sterilised the bottle and actually made things easier I would buy one (if I were FFing for whatever reason).

Also impondering amounts issue- each capsule will prob dispense a set amount if formula and iirc the guidelines on the boxes are for way more formula than dd drank at that age. My dd (16months) still can't have more than 6oz of liquid else she is sick. So will the amounts dispensed from
capsule increase? How can you adjust for hungrier or fuller babies. I worry the capsules will make up too much milk for many babies and as the capsules are pricey then people will try and split bottles over feeds to eek them out which is obviously dangerous.

My dh saw one of these a few months ago, while visiting a family member in Switzerland who works for Nestle.

Apart from that, I have no comment.

This sounds like something Workinggally will love! Sterile baby milk!

I just realised that sounded a tad bitchy. Apologies in a foul mood this morning. :(

Formula does not become non-sterile on opening.
It is already non-sterile, bacterium such as Salmonella and Enterobacter sakazikii can be introduced during the manufacturing process -see here - hence the need to use water at >70dehC to kill most of it off.
Remember that ready made formula is ultra heat treated to make it sterile, that process is not done for formula.

Pacific - don't think you can compare normal food stuffs to infant formulae - normal food isn't given exclusively to a newborn baby who's immune system isn't fully developed.

that process is not done for powdered formula.

Gah that makes more sense now

Bertiebots - that's what I was thinking. It wouldn't be rocket science to make the machine safe. But it would probably cost more to engineer as you'd need a chamber for boiled, cooled water.

And they probably don't want to make a selling point of the fact that it would make up the powder safely (since they dont like to admit that the powder is not sterile)

and making claims about safety would leave them open to court cases if something went wrong, whereas by simply ignoring the issue the blame is put on the parents if there's a problem.