New Nestlé unidose artificial milk capsules and machine

[Greythorne]

Inspired by the success of the Nespresso machine, Nestlé have come up trumps this time.

This is the first comprehensive baby nutrition system, don't you know?

[PacificDogwood]

Fair point, Kara, you are right.

However, boobs/skin are not sterile, in fact are covered in bacteria which populate the newborn's gut and start the process of gut maturation and developing defenses.

One of the many things that FF just doesn't do - and never will, no matter how you prepare it.

[PacificDogwood]

I don't 'you' specifically, btw , ment 'no matter how one prepares it' etc etc

Also, I have FF and BF and am not in any way in one 'camp' or the other, but is does annoy the hell out of me that a huge company market their totally unnecessary product as something that anyone would need and in fact makes it sound as if it borders on bad/irresponsible parenting to not chose their fabulous gadget, grrrrr!!

[Himalaya]

Robyn - hmm, but they could say makes up formula at 100 degrees as recommended by WHO or something like that. But I guess they don't want to make those guidelines more well known.

[KaraStarbuckThrace]

LOL I know what you meant Pacific, and I totally agree with you about marketing unnnecessary crap.
But hey, Nestlé have to do something to make money for their shareholders....

[MoonFaceMamaaaaargh]

For all the reasons above.

[TruthSweet]

Pacific - boobs/skin are covered in the kinds of bacteria that either are beneficial or that you have already made anti-bodies too (as the fact that we aren't sick everytime we kiss our OH/DCs/lick our fingers shows).

Formula can be contaminated with pathogens that are extremely hazardous to a infants health and as you can't sterlised powders (well you can irradiate them but no one wants radioactive food) you have to do add 70C water to the powder to prepare it as safely as possible.

Some interesting studies/presentations/papers /news reports here, www.fao.org/ag/AGN/agns/jemra/Sakazaki_FUF_report.pdf here]] and here.

[TruthSweet]

Don't forget though that even if a baby consumes bacteria whilst bfing the milk they have consumed at the same time contains components that actually imprison, and render ineffective, bacteria, parasites, viruses and other harmful microbes. They mimic the outside of a human cell and the microbe attaches in the hopes of infecting the host only to find itself bound to a protein (lactoferrin) that then can be excreted by the baby.

Also, only around 4% of iron in formula is absorbed leaving 96% to be used by microbes (iron is used by viruses/bacteria/parasites in reproducing/normal fuctioning) without the 'moping up' effect of bm on microbes as mentioned above.

[MoonFaceMamaaaaargh]

Ah truthsweet. As ever, clear and informative. Just as i was thinking about posting "me think bm kill baddies" or some such.

[PacificDogwood]

Yy, all true, I was grossly simplefying (sp??). My point was that from the second a baby is born (in fact, before) it is exposed to microbes. This obsession with 'sterility' just gets my goat. I know, sadly, some babies died from unsafe formula and that risk is clearly one of the many downsides of FF, but even brand-new (healthy) babies have an immunesystem and not everythings they are exposed to needs to be sterile. Open heart surgery - different ballgame entirely.



When I joined this thread I had just come off the phone with SIL who goes through more bleach in a week than I have done in a lifetime (I hate the stuff and don't see the need for it) - she still sterilises her 4 year old's crockery/cutlery. Yes, she has ishoos, which are not helped by every Dettol wipes /'your toddler's high chair tray contains more bugs than your toilet' ad .




Sorry, I am totally going off subject. As you were...

[TruthSweet]

Pacific - I totally agree with you on the over sterilising of childhood but I still think getting rid (or at least making your best effort to) seriously harmful bacteria that can cause menegititis, NEC, sepsis, and even in a thankfully few cases, death is a good thing.

Getting rid of any, and all, microbes from a child's environment is, most categorically not a good thing, getting rid of Chronobacter Sakazakii out of a newborn's sole food source is definitely a good thing.

I think, if I may be so bold, that your SIL needs to unclench, just a smidge.....

[TruthSweet]

Balls, by 'in a thankfully few' I meant that I was thankfully that so few babies had died from C.Sakazakii related disease not that thankfully some babies had died . Just to clarify before the pitchforks get sharpened.

[cakesloveme]

Apologies , not read whole thread but have just come across a news article for this 'system' and am so shocked and saddened how it undermines breastfeeding :(

[BagofHolly]

I wish I had one. I seem to sound my entire bloody life making up my twins' cold water powder formulas, plus 2 gaviscon in every feed. It's a royal sodding faff, and I mentally invent similar gadgets daily as I rythmically measure each scoop and level it with the back of a knife. Zzzz!
I'd also like a zillion disposable sterile bottles so I can save the bloody wasted hours I spend, washing and sterilising the buggers.
Just saying!