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GC White women comparing being transgender to someone white claiming to be black

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NewNameNigel · 05/12/2023 00:26

Does anyone else find this incredibly offensive?
Race and sex are so incredibly different!

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MCOut · 11/12/2023 18:14

ifIwerenotanandroid · 11/12/2023 16:54

@MCOut I did say 'without the GC/GI bit, of course'. You even quoted it.

Leaving that aside, I think when GC people make the racial identity point, they're saying to their opponents, "If you respect the boundary of race, why don't you respect the boundary of sex?". That seems a legitimate question, & one which is never answered by them. (In fact, it's an excellent way to get a PITA twitter user off a thread.)

Btw, it's not only women who use the question. Why do you object to women but not men using it?

I’m a bit confused. You did mention aside from the GC bit, however, from my perspective there didn’t seem to be anything at all which tied that episode in with this conversation. It is a genuine question, not an attack.

You’re going to have a to give a specific example of non black men who use black narratives to further their cause. If by men you mean transwomen, as I said before it’s inappropriate to compare the conditions transwomen live under now to those that black people have lived under historically. However, if the argument is that GC tactics sometimes resemble those used to infringe black rights, I agree.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 11/12/2023 23:46

@MCOut You seem to be having a discussion with yourself, so I'll leave you to it. It bears no relation to the discussion I was having.

Neitheronethingnortheother · 11/12/2023 23:58

At least @MCOut s conversation is in line with the thread topic. There's only one person currently who appears to be having a conversation that bears no relation to the actual thread discussion and it isn't @MCOut....

jadey1991 · 12/12/2023 00:02

Totally agree with u op on everything you have stated on here. And some mumsnetters that agree and have said things that I can agree with too.

I'm a white women with mixed heritage children husband is black caribbean.

Personally I'm from and era that I cannot agree with certain things.

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NewNameNigel · 12/12/2023 00:07

ifIwerenotanandroid · 11/12/2023 23:46

@MCOut You seem to be having a discussion with yourself, so I'll leave you to it. It bears no relation to the discussion I was having.

I started the thread on the black mumsnetters space to discuss black women's feelings about white people using racism as a gotcha. That's the discussion. Why are you even here if that's not something you want to discuss?

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MCOut · 12/12/2023 00:58

ifIwerenotanandroid · 11/12/2023 23:46

@MCOut You seem to be having a discussion with yourself, so I'll leave you to it. It bears no relation to the discussion I was having.

New heights of unreasonable. You brought up a podcast I’ve listed to, saying you thought it was related. I was simply interested in why you thought it related to the conversation as per your comment.

Coincidentally, I've been listening to an October 2023 series on BBC Sounds called 'The Gift' about DNA testing, & ep 4 ('Race') chimes with this thread (without the GC/GI bit, of course).

It’s so crazy that you’re offended that I’m asking for your perspective on something you brought up.

MCOut · 12/12/2023 01:01

To be honest, it’s my fault for encouraging you. Especially when it’s clear that you entered this section in bad faith. Apologies, OP.

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NewNameNigel · 12/12/2023 09:26

MCOut · 12/12/2023 01:01

To be honest, it’s my fault for encouraging you. Especially when it’s clear that you entered this section in bad faith. Apologies, OP.

No need to apologise to me @MCOut@MCOut that just bizarre.

That poster was clearly here to tell us naughty black women off to keep us in our place rather than have a discussion.

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Neitheronethingnortheother · 12/12/2023 11:02

NewNameNigel · 12/12/2023 09:26

No need to apologise to me @MCOut@MCOut that just bizarre.

That poster was clearly here to tell us naughty black women off to keep us in our place rather than have a discussion.

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It's just another variation of "sit down, shut up and look pretty whilst the real grown ups talk" isn't it

Dweetfidilove · 14/12/2023 14:04

I find the appropriating of racism in this argument offensive as a black woman, because despite objections here; we are very often ignore by the majority of movements and only included when it serves a specific purpose.

For the person who said all women experience oppression equally- that would be laughable, if not so destructively ignorant.

Black women are often overlooked in these movements, because people conveniently or lazily overlook the combination of racism and sexism we experience and both forms of discrimination run simultaneously.

And for the person who asked ‘who says black women are left out of feminism’? Well, when you are a woman who doesn’t fit the description of your’typical woman’, you are by definition- marginalised. Many examples already highlighted. Do some reading around ‘intersectional invisibility’.

And the usual, but there are black and brown women involved in the conversation 🙄. Well, we also have black people telling us there is no racism in Britain, so that’s always a weak’but’…

MN is not a safe place for Black concerns. Not even Black MN.

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NewNameNigel · 14/12/2023 16:45

Dweetfidilove · 14/12/2023 14:04

I find the appropriating of racism in this argument offensive as a black woman, because despite objections here; we are very often ignore by the majority of movements and only included when it serves a specific purpose.

For the person who said all women experience oppression equally- that would be laughable, if not so destructively ignorant.

Black women are often overlooked in these movements, because people conveniently or lazily overlook the combination of racism and sexism we experience and both forms of discrimination run simultaneously.

And for the person who asked ‘who says black women are left out of feminism’? Well, when you are a woman who doesn’t fit the description of your’typical woman’, you are by definition- marginalised. Many examples already highlighted. Do some reading around ‘intersectional invisibility’.

And the usual, but there are black and brown women involved in the conversation 🙄. Well, we also have black people telling us there is no racism in Britain, so that’s always a weak’but’…

MN is not a safe place for Black concerns. Not even Black MN.

It's funny isn't it. The whole GC movement is meant to be about respecting women's boundaries but it seems that we are not allowed them around how our oppression is used.

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GreyBeeplus3 · 28/01/2026 17:05

NewNameNigel
All I can say that with most white women I know,
Anything that isn't them/they don't approve of/care for would more than likely be lumped together in a pile elsewhere whilst they assume that somehow theyve the right opinions/know all there is to know about said scenario and they're entitled to say so in their privileged top of the pile way

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