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Is this about me getting older, or are these men tripping?

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Jamdown123 · 04/09/2021 02:12

So, I am 40. I used to be 25, 30, suddenly , I find I am 40. I don't know how that happened either!!!!

I'm a good 40. White women tell me I look 33, black women are just as kind, but that is likely because I'm a woman's woman and we are just kind to each other!

But my life SCREAMS middle age. I won't go into details. It's all quite pitiful and reason to feel blessed at the same. I do find that my life is a exercise of gratitude right now - 'Dear lord, help me, I haven't had a lie in in 7 years' / 'but thank you lord for these beautiful children, I am blessed', 'dear lord this mortgage is killing me' / 'but thank you lord, having a roof over my head is a blessing' etc etc. Sigh... I'm telling you this because it might just be my issue;

So the meat of the post. My partner's friends are all our age say between 37 and 45, they are suddenly marrying these 25 year old women. I've known these guys for more than 10 years, they have bleated on about wanting a woman and kids and all that good stuff, while spending every weekend in some bar or other (nothing wrong with that, I was there with them the first few years), and all of a sudden they all come up trumps but with women who are young. This makes me feel hella old. After all, the 23 year old could be my daughter. It's like the music stopped they chose a partner.

Anyways, I feel something about this. It's not one, it's pretty much ALL of his friends, all with much much younger women. It is none of my business, sure. I'm not losing sleep over it (don't watch the time of this post!!!), but something I am watching on Netflix reminds me of this issue.

Let me wrap up. I feel it's misogyny, why these men are not with women more their own age. I've been that 25 year old woman, I had relationships with older men, I totally get it. But now that I am 40, I feel very differently about these men. Not all of them, but I feel the rejection of women their age quite keenly. Because I am not young anymore, and that's tricky sometimes, but also because I actually feel I have gotten better as I've grown, right? Is this misogynoir? And I see so many of my black female friends my age holding out for these (mostly) black guys, and it really seems the men aren't interested in that way. It also makes me think, if my relationship goes completely belly up, even though I think I am, and women my age are great stuff, no one else does and I'd be alone, like so many of my friends are. This outcome appears less likely with white women. They separate, divorce, and then meet someone. I don't see that so much with black women.

I think it is down to men and what they are lacking. Sense for one, and yes again, I feel it is a kind of misogyny. I don't know whether it's a black man thing, or whether all men are like this. But black women have it so hard on the dating scene, I find myself feeling quite badly about it all. 4 or 5 black men who say black women their age are too old and they want 25 year olds.

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HateJudgmentalPeople · 04/09/2021 04:47

Younger men prefer older women and older men like younger women, there is nothing you can do, it’s not up to you and as long as the young women are happy with their older husbands then that’s okay, younger women are probably more fun in many ways just like younger men are.

I’m also 40 and I keep getting 25-30 year old men hitting on me, I’m not interested but it’s an ego boost, just like it is when young women like older men I expect.

Mardycustard123 · 04/09/2021 10:00

OP your post really resonated with me and IME I'd say yes to both. I wouldn't say it's a black man thing though - just a man thing. Time and again you see threads where women despair about the lack of serious interest or any interest at all from men when they reach a certain age and as a single parent black woman myself on the other side of 45Grin my chances of anything with anyone is practically nil. I don't even have an F to have any sort of WB relationship!! OLD scares the living daylights out of me (thanks MNGrin) for a million and one reasons and even though I scrub up well, no man, black, white, green or orange shows any interest anymore (too many 25 year olds to choose from). I also believe that the bullshit that tends to emanate from them is easier to detect having had more experience than someone younger and older women are less likely to put up with it. I have no solution but involuntary celibacy is shit.

Mardycustard123 · 04/09/2021 10:05

Sorry, it's very early for me Confused. I was supposed to say very much unwanted permanent dry spell not Involuntary celibacy.

Jamdown123 · 04/09/2021 12:57

Yes, there's just SO MANY single black women my age, who really wanted kids, really wanted marriage, to settle down. And I see the men their age (our age) collecting 25 year olds like it's a fashion. When I was 25 we did date these men, but we honestly didn't take them that seriously, well most of us didn't. I'm wondering whether that is where they went wrong. If I went back to 2003 now, would I suggest my 20 year old friends stick with those 40 year old guys?!

It just feels kinda over for a lot of my 40 plus black friends, in a way it doesn't for my white friends of the same age, or the second time around white and divorced women I know.

Maybe I'm wrong, and it's the same for anyone. Even if it IS just a MAN thing, colour no matter, it's still incredibly shit. No one warned us about this, at all! I am telling you, of my friends, let's say I have 5 good good black friends 3 are completely single no dependants, not that they want it this way.

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NinjaExodus · 04/09/2021 13:02

If these men want children then it makes much more biological sense to settle down with a 25 year old woman than a 40 year old woman. Could it be that?

Jamdown123 · 04/09/2021 19:45

Yes, but they have only just turned 40! They were not 40 until then! These men have been harping on about wanting to settle down for aeons!

Men's reproductive systems are also not pristine at 40. A leading cause of miscarriage.

I guess that makes me ask the question, why has it taken them until 4o to settle down? It's true that they have no children. They've been farting about all this time, and now they don't want women their own age. Those are the women they have been farting about with, wasting their time?!

It just feels to me that black + female + late 30s - 40s spells romantic disaster. I don't know whether it is like that for white men or women or black men. But maybe I'm wrong and my perspective is skewed.

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HateJudgmentalPeople · 04/09/2021 21:03

I am just 40 and I wasn’t ready to settle down in my 30s, and if me as a woman wasn’t ready then I can see why men wouldn’t be seen as most women are more grown up than men who are the same age.

Marriage, mortgage and kids are a huge commitment and not something you should take lightly, I don’t think there is anything wrong with men that don’t want to settle down until they are 40, maybe they want to sow their oats and this is what the 20s and 30s are for, it’s better that a man waits to settle down when he is ready rather than men that settle down at younger ages and then can’t stop cheating on their partners because their oats aren’t sewn yet, it’s almost a rite of passage for men to sleep about a bit.

Nsky · 04/09/2021 21:12

I’m 59 and invisible, divorced at 37, thought I’d meet someone and settle down again at 40 something.
Been onto many blind dates, speed dating the lot, largely met unready or needy men, and yet most re marry or settle down 2 to 3 years later.
I’ve no idea why not me

Jamdown123 · 05/09/2021 15:05

@HateJudgmentalPeople

I am just 40 and I wasn’t ready to settle down in my 30s, and if me as a woman wasn’t ready then I can see why men wouldn’t be seen as most women are more grown up than men who are the same age.

Marriage, mortgage and kids are a huge commitment and not something you should take lightly, I don’t think there is anything wrong with men that don’t want to settle down until they are 40, maybe they want to sow their oats and this is what the 20s and 30s are for, it’s better that a man waits to settle down when he is ready rather than men that settle down at younger ages and then can’t stop cheating on their partners because their oats aren’t sewn yet, it’s almost a rite of passage for men to sleep about a bit.

Yes, I think I did sound judgmental about those men, and I was being, so thanks for highlighting that.

the chats I have had with them would go something like this 'so I you're looking for the right one, what are you looking for? Someone your age, professional, wanting kids, wanting to move abroad, what?

Response: 'oh no no, not my age, no no'.

Errrrrrr. That kind of chat did get my back up.

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Jamdown123 · 05/09/2021 15:07

@Nsky

I’m 59 and invisible, divorced at 37, thought I’d meet someone and settle down again at 40 something. Been onto many blind dates, speed dating the lot, largely met unready or needy men, and yet most re marry or settle down 2 to 3 years later. I’ve no idea why not me
I'm scratching my head about so many things when it comes to men.

I'm not very good at 'men', I think!!!

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marmaladehound · 05/09/2021 16:12

I was 35 when I met my 25 year old husband, so sometimes it does flip. I am white, he's Asian. Admittedly we are not every other couple and people are often a bit taken aback that I have a younger husband in a way that they totally would not be if our ages were reversed! That shits me and I find that attitude incredibly sexist but not just from men, from women too.

I do know an awful lot of white women who are in their 40's and childless, not by choice while men their age got together with 20 somethings. So I don't think it's just black women. I also know a lot of divorced white women who have never met anyone else, out of 3 close friends who are divorced, 2 have not met anyone and 1 has, so again I don't think it's just black women. As for the men, is it misogyny? I am not sure, for some it's biology, others it's what their like, I certainly was that 20 something woman with older men, I preferred older guys until I got to 30!! It may just be a man thing for a lot of men, but certainly not just black men.

Jamdown123 · 05/09/2021 17:38

ok, thx. I don't know that many white women, I have 3 close white friends. one is lesbian and married, one is incredibly high flying, smart, own business, men are intimidated, the other is single and i really don't know why. white women I'm not so close are pretty much all married. maybe it's just my mates, black or not!!!!

I am not sure it can be 'biology', seems to me we should all have children between 18 and say 27 if that were the case! men included.

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nancybotwinbloom · 05/09/2021 17:45

I'm a white women. It's the same. Men my age are are coupling up with women I could of born.

I'm married. See it with all my male friends currently which is depressing.

I think once you have your shit together they can't be "useful" as in its we have different standards or needs at this age.

nancybotwinbloom · 05/09/2021 17:48

I don't Mean to be disrespectful to younger women.

When you get to 40 your different to when you were 20.

At 40 for men my age I expect them to have their life together.

At 25 ish I may not have had the same expectation and your still finding your way or I was anyway.

HateJudgmentalPeople · 05/09/2021 18:03

@nancybotwinbloom

I'm a white women. It's the same. Men my age are are coupling up with women I could of born.

I'm married. See it with all my male friends currently which is depressing.

I think once you have your shit together they can't be "useful" as in its we have different standards or needs at this age.

Yep it’s a man thing not a colour thing!
NinjaExodus · 05/09/2021 20:42

@Jamdown123

ok, thx. I don't know that many white women, I have 3 close white friends. one is lesbian and married, one is incredibly high flying, smart, own business, men are intimidated, the other is single and i really don't know why. white women I'm not so close are pretty much all married. maybe it's just my mates, black or not!!!!

I am not sure it can be 'biology', seems to me we should all have children between 18 and say 27 if that were the case! men included.

I don't mean to be rude but it seems like you don't have a full understanding of the biological differences in reprodutivity in men and women in terms of age. Men can have children well into their 50, 60s and beyond. Yes, there may be a higher incidence of miscarriage where this is the case but women cannot physically have children that late and if wanting children is the key factor in the 40 year old men you refer to - as you state that it is - then a 40 year old female partner is likely to introduce complications to this. And I say that as someone who had IVF in their 40s!
marmaladehound · 05/09/2021 21:00

I am not sure it can be 'biology', seems to me we should all have children between 18 and say 27 if that were the case! men included.

Not sure about that. Men can go on reproducing well into their old age albeit with higher risk of miscarriage but a women really can't, biologically.

Redruby2020 · 05/09/2021 21:47

@HateJudgmentalPeople

Younger men prefer older women and older men like younger women, there is nothing you can do, it’s not up to you and as long as the young women are happy with their older husbands then that’s okay, younger women are probably more fun in many ways just like younger men are.

I’m also 40 and I keep getting 25-30 year old men hitting on me, I’m not interested but it’s an ego boost, just like it is when young women like older men I expect.

Why is that though? Re: younger men like older women, I'm sure it was going on before I became single lol, but having spent the whole of my 30's pretty much in one relationship, having become single last year, and mainly at first used online dating etc, and then have met some guys through other social media etc. And of a certain nationality who I have had a long dating history with, there are so many after older women! I was astonished but pleasantly surprised of course, I was like wow this is some interesting time of life to be at 😁
Jamdown123 · 05/09/2021 23:41

@marmaladehound

I am not sure it can be 'biology', seems to me we should all have children between 18 and say 27 if that were the case! men included.

Not sure about that. Men can go on reproducing well into their old age albeit with higher risk of miscarriage but a women really can't, biologically.

Not just a higher risk of miscarriage. Higher risk of neurological difficulties in children, also, as well as mental health complications.

Women can often have children until 45, 47, even 50.

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Jamdown123 · 05/09/2021 23:45

Ok, I've seen more of these comments.

perhaps it's important for people to think it's 'biology'. It's 'biology' that men want to sleep around (as on women don't?), and that men can go on having happy healthy children forever - that's not so. It works out for some of the offspring, certainly not all. If a 25 year old woman knew the facts about male factor, they would be thinking twice about having children with partners who are 50. Not only because repeated miscarriages are no fun.

But ok, some men 'can' have children until they die at 90 - does this explain the phenomenon? It's all about reproducing?

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Jamdown123 · 05/09/2021 23:53

@nancybotwinbloom

I don't Mean to be disrespectful to younger women.

When you get to 40 your different to when you were 20.

At 40 for men my age I expect them to have their life together.

At 25 ish I may not have had the same expectation and your still finding your way or I was anyway.

Well now, yes, I had thought about this a little, but possibly not enough. I have wondered about the women being 25 and wanting to marry a man who is 43. I think about the much older men I dated in my 20s and then I thought 'wow', but now that I am that age, I do not consider these to be the 40-odd year old men who provoke a 'wow' in me. Things do look different at this age. I do wish them all the best, I like these guys as mates. I do wonder though, about the young women who likely have so much growing to do.
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RedMarauder · 06/09/2021 00:38

I do wonder though, about the young women who likely have so much growing to do.

Some will end up divorced others won't.

I know and have known black guys who have got their parents/relatives to find them a "girl back home".

The "girl" is always younger and less educated. However it doesn't mean they aren't smart, can get an education if they get the opportunity and are a doormat.

Anyway some of the marriages have ended in divorce once the "girl" has ensured she can stay here, while others the couple seem to put up with each other and others seem like a happy marriage.

PearlyRising · 06/09/2021 01:04

Sorry for posting but i cant sleep and i clicked on this and got drawn in becsuse you are right, there is now more than ever a huge disconnect in what women want and what men want and it comes in to sharp focus between the ages of about 27 and 37. My old fashioned mother would put the blame on women for having sex too easily /quickly and i would despair but truth is men dont even need to be in a relationship to have sex, never mind a committed one, never mind a marriage. Men have all the options and women are still on a clock.

I remember noticing that so many men i went to school with got engaged in the run up to their fortieths and announced it on facebook. To women with time to have a few kids of course. It made me feel too old for a man my own age which shocked me.

And at 39, a single mother to two under 6, i felt like romance and love was a chapter in my past not my future.

The only good news is, you care less by 50, at 51 now, i no longer give as much thought to what men want, if they'd notice me, if they'd want me, what men get, i just feel far less disempowered by being invisible to men than i did at forty, so i think it's a shock that is processed.

Im single and ok with that. If i went online only men my dad's age would message me so i stay single.

PearlyRising · 06/09/2021 01:18

And it's interesting and depressing that the better women do in the workplace and the more that in theory we dont need a man, the balance of power in choosing /rejecting commitment still seems to lie firmly with men.

The only thing i can see that would shift that imbalance would be if more women were happy to forego having a child in order to date up not down.

It's not men's biology that is the issue i think, it's that even with our own jobs, we were on a clock while mr average was just enjoying looking around.

I look back and wonder if id had a baby at 20 and then from that moment on concentrated on my life, would i have met somebody before it was "too late".

When i left my x with 2 kids nobody serious wanted anything more than a shag. I really tried OLD. I thought id meet somebody eventually if i kept trying. But no.

HateJudgmentalPeople · 06/09/2021 06:13

Young guys like older women because of our sexual experience Grin and we are more secure and confident in ourselves I think, basically we would ‘nip their heads’ less! Grin