Black People not taking the vaccine

[tootsytoo]

Just wandered what you guys think about it really?

I'm a little sad about this whole situation. That we are so mistrusting and paranoid about everything, and forget about real problems that actually are holding us back, the vaccine not being one of them.

I fully get why we do not trust the government but I don't get why as a majority, when covid is killing us disproportionally, we are more concerned about long term (unproven) effects of a vaccine as opposed to covid which we know can kill and cause long covid.

Just wandered views of other black people here on this?

has said it seems not that BAME people are genetically predisposed to the disease it is the factors such as occupation, urban living conditions/travel, health (obesity, diabetes etc)

I hear a lot you of people referring to certain ethnic Countries having a weight problem. I do notice this factor don’t get me wrong but I think it’s across the board! People who are over weight or obese. This is not subjected to ONE ethnic group!

But living conditions definitely could be part of the link. I think it needs to be clearer that BAME is not necessarily a genetic issue! It’s more environmental.

You hit the nail on the head with that point.

Yes, definitely genetic, and also diabetes even type 2 is more prevalent in some races too.
I have type 2 and my gp said definitely inherited rather than lifestyle.
I'm not overweight, eat healthily, and keep as fit as I can.
Perhaps it's a DNA disposition.

@Devlesko yes of course, everyone's views are welcome here

I am black and currently vaccine hesistant due to historic medical experimentation on black people which is still fresh in my mind.
I have conducted research on medical experimentation in Africa as an example
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_experimentation_in_Africa

I am also wary as there seems to be a huge drive to get black people to take the vaccine. There hasn't been much progress since BLM has been notarized, our complaints are not listened to when we are asking for pain relief when giving birth, it is noted that black people are 5 times more likely to be stopped and searched but nothing is done about it.
The government didn't seem to care before when black on black crime was happening but all of a sudden they are pushing a vaccine where there hasnt been a huge takeup in the trials amongst black people...I would rather wait for a bit and see how things play out.

@Devlesko

Yes, definitely genetic, and also diabetes even type 2 is more prevalent in some races too. I have type 2 and my gp said definitely inherited rather than lifestyle. I'm not overweight, eat healthily, and keep as fit as I can. Perhaps it's a DNA disposition.

Diabetes is genetic this has been actually proven though and it can be explained. A lot of Asians have a strong family history of diabetes.

Yes, my DNA includes Persia, India, Tajikistan amongst others.
Has anything been confirmed about certain blood types, iirc at one point they were ascertainig whether A+ blood were ore susceptible

[quote tootsytoo]@maggiethecat erm, not sure what you're suggesting, initially I expressed my concern because if my friends and family don't take the vaccine then I have more chance of losing them so obviously I am concerned.

Also - black people under a microscope from mainstream media and white peoples I guess is what I'm referring to. Obviously for black to discuss it with other black people is not quite the same thing.hence why this is posted it on black mumsnet [/quote]
I wasn't suggesting anything other than that your post seemed contradictory.

I know that BAME people have been distrustful of the vaccine, and with good reason. What I didn't know until more recent media coverage is the extent of hesitancy. It was reported on Channel 4 news this evening that figures suggest that up to 70% of BAME are reluctant to have the vaccine.

I don't know how accurate this figure is but if it is anywhere near correct that is a big problem - for BAME people and wider society.

It would be good to know the reported uptake/hesitancy in other groups.

@Devlesko
Yes, type 2 diabetes is caused by genetic (and lifestyle) factors and having diabetes, heart disease etc has been seen to increase the risk of death from Covid. In the same way that having a genetic immunosuppression disease will increase risk of Covid death.

However, I don't think studies have shown that genetically anyone is directly (ie setting aside other existing genetic diseases/conditions) predisposed to Covid.

That's not to say that it isn't and I imagine that the medical research field is awash with all sorts of studies at the moment and it will be interesting to see the findings in due course.

maggiethecat
There was a black medical researcher on Victoria Derbyshire this morning who gave some insight into the reluctance of many in the black community toward the vaccine. He said that the failure to act on the recommendations of the PHE study into BAME and Covid 19 published in June last year has led to frustration among black people

So when the vaccine was first reported to be safe and ready for roll out many black people felt distrust that they were, unusually, being put to the front of the queue to receive the jabs because of their greater susceptibility to the virus

I can understand why people would feel that they were the guinea pigs

^This

I am not minded to believe they could care less about Black people, to the point they'd ever rush to give us the vaccine first.

Black people prop up the NHS, right out there on the frontlines, yet can't even get proper PPE - how does this correlate with caring about our health in terms of Covid? It just isn't hard to see the disparity here.

Or why Black people suspect we are guinea pigs in this whole thing.

Whatever virus appears, there have always been conspiracy theories out there. People believe what they want to believe, and they are of every nation. It's not a group-think thing at all in terms of Black people.

Aside from all that, its an individual's personal and private decision as to whether and when to vaccinate, or not. & It's an emotive time so I've resolved not to go down the road of asking anybody, and trust that all will be well eventually

@DeeCeeCherry
I think it's easier to believe conspiracy theories when you've historically been on the receiving end of the shit stick.

We have elderly family friends of which the wife was happy to get it but not the husband but in the end both got it and I was very relieved. I think they were too especially after they learned that a good friend of theirs who lived locally had recently died and their partner was battling in hospital.

As you say, it's a personal decision but we have a long way to go to get out of this.

I disagree with a group thinking thing. It Definitely is.

Don’t forget this has stemmed from the older generations and where there is lack of education possibly.

There’s certain groups of ethnic people where they think it’s normal to breed with family members (I have seen this personally). It’s fascinating to see. There definitely must be lack of knowledge missing because why would you do this? If you knew the devastating outcome that your child may well be left with a disability?

Doctors have confirmed this. It’s a massive issue in Bradford hospitals.

I agree with DeeCeeCherry and I'm not sure why you are limiting consanguinity to black people when it is found in almost all cultures and races. The British Royal family being a great example as well the aristocratic class, among many many others.

I think vaccine hesitancy is due to a number of factors and if rooted in fear of past factual incidents it is hardly lack of education that is the cause rather being aware and advocating for yourself. History has taught black people that they are never the front of the queue for anything good.-that needs to be addressed for people to feel comfortable.

History has taught black people that they are never the front of the queue for anything good.-that needs to be addressed for people to feel comfortable.

This imo hits the nail on the head. As stated I'm not Black but belonging to an ethnic minority experiencing the same predjudices and racism I cannot agree more.
Our elders won't have the vaccine because they like to stay on the outside of society as much as they can, and have been pushed too far ito freedom of movement, and erosion of our culture.
I'm 54 not sure I will take it when offered tbh.

Oh, consanguinity a big part of our family, I'm affected by this, kind of sickening, but luckily I stopped it with my immediate family and married an outsider.
My children are all ok, luckily, but I've had various educational problems throughout life, and a very low IQ

@Dastardlythefriendlymutt erm actually I never said black people. But since you raised it I was meaning mainly Asian backgrounds. Are you saying this is not factual?

It looks as though MPs are pulling together to encourage Black people to get the vaccine. I have to be honest though, I don't know anyone who would feel encouraged by hearing an MP talk about these things, especially James Cleverly MP!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55839493

I do think the announcement to not lump all ethnic minorities and Black communities together ito encouraging vaccine uptake, because whilst some of the reasons are shared there are distinct differences, not just socio economic differences even within the same ethnicity, but also cultural reasons.
E.g like some have suggested a reason is mistrust of being gineau pigs due to past trials of drugs/ experiments.
Our elders suggest a similar one of those in power never offering anything beneficial, just eroding our culture through racism tbh.
Even now gov are back dooring more laws to eradicate us and thousands of us are homeless.
Born and bred in this country, uk citiens.

[quote Daisypaisy2]@Dastardlythefriendlymutt erm actually I never said black people. But since you raised it I was meaning mainly Asian backgrounds. Are you saying this is not factual?[/quote]
I never said it was not factual, I said it is not limited to any ethnic group. Your post seemed to suggest black people as an example of group thinking. I pointed out that is not a good example as it is a practice found across many ethnicities and races. It is common in some Asian communities, amongst Irish travellers, and European aristocracy, some African tribes as well as many other groups.

Some good points but some things are more common in certain ethnic races though. I never suggested it was not possible in others but regarding ethnic races. It’s like me saying white people can be diabetic of course they can however it is MORE common in some other backgrounds.

Blood conditions such as sickle cell trait are ethic again. These things are not taught enough here in UK. They just get shunned.

I just read this, which might help some people think differently about the vaccine:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/26/ten-reasons-we-got-covid-19-vaccines-so-quickly-without-cutting-corners?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

[quote bfp2]It looks as though MPs are pulling together to encourage Black people to get the vaccine. I have to be honest though, I don't know anyone who would feel encouraged by hearing an MP talk about these things, especially James Cleverly MP!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55839493[/quote]

They'll be rolling Kemi Badenoch out next!

I doubt anything Kemi says is comforting to any Black person😂. I guess we have to give them kudos for finally trying? Albeit half heartedly

It's just weird to watch

I doubt anything Kemi says is comforting to any Black person😂

That was my point...desperate times and all that

😂😂😂

It's probably with good reason that despite being the Equalities Minister she's not part of that promo 🤔