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Due Dec 08 - Braxton hicks, baby kicks and leaking nips!

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Veggiemummy · 25/09/2008 17:59

that was Disenchanted's idea for a great title not mine

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JamInMyWellies · 16/10/2008 17:48

just poppping in no idea where the time goes. Will do a proper post later well if I remember.

I am up for lunch but I have to bring DS with me might give you all a shock at seeing a fully grown quite bonkers toddler.

Who was doing emails up for that too.

Also do we want to do a secret stork type of thing. We did this on DS's postnatal thread. We agree on a limit say a tenner and then send an appropriatly lovely baby or mummy pressie. We did it for chrimbo last yr with some fun consequences as we all now each other v well there was some take that calenders floating around and I got some top gear top trumps as I have a little obsession with The Stig.

Oh and those worrying about anonimity (sp?) etc it is just like fight club. I bet you find that some if us end up being quite good RL friends.

Turniphead1 · 16/10/2008 17:57

Thanks to all for kind words. Had a bit of a cry when my DH made it home - at 10.15 the poor bloke. He would have been home sooner, except he fell asleep on the train and missed his stop (bless - we are a right pair at the moment!). And what did I have ready for his supper? Some McCain oven chips.

I do feel sorry for my Dad - there is no doubt that he is miserable. This has been happening on and off all this year - and we knew he was in danger because he wasn't doing AA properly. My Sis and I have decided that it will be tough love, he can come over here again when he has done his 90 meetings in 90 days and got a Sponsor. It means he will miss Christmas here, but basically I can't tell my DC he is coming for him not to turn up for the third/fourth time.

Anyhow - it seems we are having a thread dip in spirits. I am counting my blessings as my best friend goes for her IVF implantation tomorrow. So lets all have a big smile for our lovely big, getting fatter day by day babies in there (even though they are giving is all insomnia, frequent wees, heartburn, spd, weepiness, tough days at work/at home with DCs!!! and we are of course allowed to moan!)

invisible at the clueless Registrar. So annoying when they start a discussion they aren't equipped to really finish. Grrr. You do what you need to do. Didn't know that about the RFree vbac rates.

oli well done on starting mat leave. enjoy, and all the deliveries!

chutney feel bad for you and your DD hope all improves as soon as poss.

verso awaiting your Delivery Date!

WG sorry you were sad and up in the middle of the night. Hugs to you and heres to a better night tonight!

effie - mailed you!

zoe thanks for your lovely post birth buddy. It is like xmas here at the mo!

LadyT and Arti I could make a 6.30 central london meet up. Let me know.

Had M/w appt today. Babyturnip is still breech but still has plenty of time to turn!
Good evening to y'all!

Turniphead1 · 16/10/2008 18:08

Oh - and forget who was asking about swaddling but we have always been big swaddlers. IMHO really helps those first few weeks when babies wake themselves with their startle relex. I do it for a bout first 10-12 weeks.

Here is a good image of how to...swaddle picture

Sometimes its hard to get the right shaped / sized sheet. So we did buy two of the special swaddling blankets with velcro and they are great.

I remember with DD asking the midwife in hospital how to swaddle. She refused to show me on the basis that " we don't swaddle anymore because it inhibits gross motor development". Silly mare, wasn't quite planning on swaddling her til she was 18!

poisondwarf · 16/10/2008 18:10

Turnip sorry to hear about your dad - read your post last night and spent the wee small hours thinking about it (yes I'm doing the insomnia thing too). It really struck a chord as mine's also an alcoholic. It must be 15 years since he's visited me - he wouldn't even have a clue where I live, never mind come and visit (well, he knows I live in London but that's it). Doesn't have a clue what I do for a living, gets my name wrong, told his wife it was my sister who was pregnant after I'd phoned to tell him the news, blah blah blah. Over the years I've got used to playing 2nd fiddle to the bottle but then you kind of have to relive it again when you have kids as you realise that they are never going to be a priority either and it hurts. Only time DS gets to see him is every few months for a 10 minute window just after 11am in the pub (cos it's the only time he's vaguely comprehensible - my dad that is, not DS!). DS hasn't a clue who he is and cries if he picks him up (and DS will go to anyone).

Sorry for being so heavy and sorry if I've made this a bit me me me but my sister's just phoned me & told me he has to be hospitalised - again. Just needed a rant. Anyway Turnip, I know that things are much harder for you because the thing that hurts most is the disappointment. I've learned to have no expectations of my dad and accept nobody can make him change, and that he's never going to play any meaningful part in my life or his grandchildren's - when it comes down to it we're just not as important as the drink. It's just anger and resentment that's left now (can you tell?) and to be honest that's so much easier to handle than what you must be feeling.

Hope that you and the DCs are able to get over the disappointment of this trip, and try not to feel guilty about any anger you might feel - yes alcoholism is an illness but it doesn't make your frustration any less valid. It does sound like your dad is capable of controlling himself at least some of the time though, so hopefully you'll be able to enjoy some good times with him in the future.

Oh and happy birthday to your DCs!

work whinges #272. Have just got back to the office after a 3-day course (and I agree with SummerLightning on this one - in my book training is the next best thing to a spa break in work terms) and they've only gone and put me in charge of a new team. This team consists of people who have been made redundant and are working out their notice so not the most motivated of staff - in fact 2 of them are being moved from client-facing roles at their manager's request as they are being so disruptive. I have never even met any of these people and we're expected to deliver a key piece of work which is pivotal to the success of the division. It's in another location, which probably means the best part of an hour each way - no more 2-minute walks to work, no putting my feet up at lunchtime (I know I know, it's what most of you have been doing from the start - indulge me). The thing is, I'm on a 3-day week from now until mat leave, which is mid-November, and have exactly 12 days in the office between now and then. What are they thinking? And this is the brainchild of my manager who told me to slow down on the amount of new work I'm taking on! I'm counting on the usual red tape, political wrangling and general incompetence that gets in the way of any kind of progress around here to save me from this one...

zj swaddling we liked. Didn't use it all the time but quite often - it really did help DS to sleep more soundly. Can't remember how long we used it for but it was way longer than you're supposed to (i.e. several months) - can't remember how exactly but it does kind of reach a natural conclusion. I must say I don't know if I like the sound of the swaddling blanket though - it sounds somehow a bit like a straitjacket (not that the baby would know the difference), but if you've been given one you might as well try it out. Dead easy to do with just a normal blanket though as some of the others have said.

Effie know what you mean about MN - this thread is nice & easygoing but it's a bloody jungle out there! Gets a bit self-referential as well (and WTF is all this MN royalty nonsense?), and interesting discussions can easily turn into borefests. Not good for the soul to spend too much time on it I reckon (unless it's work time of course). Anyway, good idea about the email list - will email you tonight.

Olipop - you lucky lucky lady.

Verso how did your appointment go? Get thee to the meet-up thread and sort us out.

LadyT - seems like there might be 3 or 4 of us so far. Will waddle over to the other thread and post there. And if you're a bore with your long posts what the hell does this post make me? (Seriously, MUST GO HOME).

LadyThompson · 16/10/2008 18:10

Right then Turnip, 6.30 in Central London it is. I will be there even if it's just me! I hope Arti can be persuaded, and it would be lovely to see PD too, though I am aware that she lives quite far east, so I'm not sure. And did Verso say she may be able to make it? Though again, I know she lives SW and it may be too much. If no one can think of a location I will come up with one and also check with my club (assuming people think Dean St would be ok, though I think more than three of us is too many for me to sign in, in which case I will make some other suggestions). I will bravely put up my phone number again in case of emergency - 07795217915.

Invis - hold out for what you want, I say.

Veggiemummy · 16/10/2008 18:16

invisible i know the head of the community midwifery team at the Free and also the head of women & children services who i think is still kind of the head of midwifery (although that may have changed) both are very nice although some of their midwives aren't that great i would see if you can have a chat to one of them even though you are consultant led. As if you have a VBAC the MW will still be with you for much of the labour, they may be able to shed more light on the subjec for you. I had a friend just had a VBAC and she very nearly had it as a homebirth but the baby was a little distressed so they transferred her to the hospital to be cautious and she had her gorgeous DD with only a episiotomy no other invasive monitoring or interventions.

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Veggiemummy · 16/10/2008 18:24

oh i keep checking and then leaving it before i reply and then there are so many more posts i gonna put DS to bed then try to catch up later. We aew both shattered after some serious walking (me) and scooting (ds) today.

ZJ- same as others i think we swaddled for a couple of months, as long as you start giving them time on their belly form about 3 weeks i hardly think it can inhibit development. DS was swaddled and was walking at 11months. At first we swaddled pretty much all the time and then cut back depending on when he wanted it until it was only for sleeping at night. He also had a lot of his daytime sleeps on me or his bouncer thing.

right time for DS's bath.

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Verso · 16/10/2008 18:59

I got my date

LadyT - we're having twins!!! I didn't register it was 'your' date too. I could have had either the Tuesday or the Thursday, but I thought the Tuesday would be better because I have a chance of being discharged at a weekend. Very odd booking your child's birthday, but also very cool!

I was planning to come tomorrow - and earlier suits me too - but I'm being thick and am not sure where Dean St is. I can do it if we're near Victoria otherwise I may have to pass as it will take me too long to get home.

Glad I'm not the only one with the freaky bladder situation going on. It drives me mental! I find it worst at work, when I have to nip into the loo between meetings... then compose myself for the next meeting and suddenly realise I REALLY HAVE TO GO. People must think something is very wrong with me as I must look quite pained a lot of the time.

Speaking of which the lovely Consultant gave me a prescription for some scary-sounding things for my bottom problem... I am hoping they do the trick as things are getting quite grim. Sorry TMI

TheInvisibleHand · 16/10/2008 19:00

veggie - thanks for that - its good to know! Don't particularly want or need to push the subject yet, but it sounds like a chat to someone like that would be a good idea nearer the time. I also have a friend who recently had a vbac with no interventions and very happy with the outcome. Just want to make sure that I get a decent shot at it if I'm going to go for it.

Turniphead1 · 16/10/2008 19:13

ladyT texted you.

poison your post really moved me. You say it's worse for me with my Dad - well it's six of one/half a dozen of the other...!!! It sounds very very tough that your Dad is only basically functioning and is so detatched from your life and your lovely DS. If you want to mail me at any stage I am siobhan at shive.co.uk to chat.

Would be good also to meet you tomorrow night if you can make it. Your work situation sounds a nightmare and makes no sense to put you in charge of this ramshackle team for a total of 12 days. You have to wonder....

veggie put your feet up girl after bathtime!

My DH is ON HIS WAY HOME! Shocker.

Veggiemummy · 16/10/2008 20:05

PD & Turnip you have left me a little teary, my mums & sister were alcoholic, my aunt died from liver disease quite young and my mum has always been very anti alcohol i guess because of all this which i had understood. But what i hadn't really thought about was what she and my nan must have one through with Barney (thats what we called him). I think it will make me a little more accepting of some of her faults.

the secret Stork sounds cute, as long as whoever i get doesn't mind something bought online, i'm a bit crap at getting to the post office.

PD that work thing sounds crap i say take them all out for a coffee then explain that you are pregnant hormonal and if they don't pull their weight on this you will do something very unpleasant to sensitive parts of their anatomy.

DH did get to australia safely and is enjoying some lovely weather.

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Veggiemummy · 16/10/2008 20:16

oh that was supposed to say my mums dad and sister.

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Indith · 16/10/2008 20:49

LadyT I was in Castle! A friend of mine had the room at the top of the gatehouse, was ace. We do have some good coffee places around here

Jam I'd be up for secret stork, sounds like fun! I love trying to find little presents for people.

This evening my pg brain has managed to make me kill a bottle of wine (amazing how many bits a cork will split into) and burn the butchers block by having it too close to the hob. Yesterday I mucked up parking the car and scuffed the bumper on a post. I should be banned from doing anything.

rosmerta · 16/10/2008 21:12

Evening all, have been to my book club tonight even though I completely forgot to read the book

Indith, I wouldn't worry too much about scraping the bumper, I put a big dent into the wing of our car because I didn't see or feel a post in the car park & kept on trying to reverse

turnip, pd & veggie, your posts have made me a little tearful. As I said before, I can't imagine even beginning to deal with something like alcoholism and the disappointment that comes with it.

I won't be able to make tomorrow night unfortunately. Dh isn't usually home until after 6pm & then it takes nearly an hour to get into London! I might be able to do the lunch, though I'd also have to bring along ds!

Olipop · 17/10/2008 06:57

Morning girls!! DS woke up about 5 times last night...don't know whats got into him but it's got to get out before this one arrives!! I can't be doing that forever!!

Hope you are all ok. I'm feeling pretty good (if a little tired!).

Crazily excited about going to collect my buggy today...think I will be there before the shop actually opens!!!

I was right about sneaking out the door yesteray. My boss and team leader had already left for the day when I went round to say my goodbyes..that was nice wasn't it! Oh well...yah boo sucks to them!

I am going to make a big effort to try and keep up with you all more regularly from now on. Now I dont' have work time to sit for 3 hours catching up!!

Have a good day. Lots of love from me and minipop!

kayzisexpecting · 17/10/2008 07:49

Morning!!

I hope everyone is ok!!

I sent of the form for my sure start grant yesterday so I am really hoping that the money will come through next week. I still don't have the double pushchair or the baby car seat.

8 Weeks to go!!!!
MW told me yesterday that he is already head down!

Jam I think thats a great idea. I'm up for it!!

Indith · 17/10/2008 08:23

Mine took all of 4 days to come through kayz so you should be fine

Have ordered everything I need to order now. Going to hang fire on pushchair and see how things go with ds but there is enough left from surestart and wedding list vouchers to get something if need be.

Oli I feel for you. Ds has just got over a bad sleep phase. Eventually worked out that a duvet made him happy. Odd child!

Those with small toddlers, how is it going getting them ready for it? We talk about it with ds, show him the baby in my belly etc but not sure how much he understands (he pokes my belly button and plays drums on the bump ). He is getting mopre possessive though, of me and other people touching me and of toys etc, he used to be fine with other kids snatching toys from him at toddlers etc now he takes their hands off and can get a bit rough if they persist.

Turniphead1 · 17/10/2008 09:20

LONDON MEET UP TONIGHT

at 6.30 for a quick drink. Lady T asked me to post details -

The Heights Bar on 15th Floor of the St Georges Hotel at top of Regent Street. Great views sand comfy sofas. Just go to Oxford Circus tube cross over towards Top Shop and walk to top ofRegent Street - and hotel is on the right on corner of Mortimer Street. Map HERE.
Will try and reserve an area in bar.

Off to yoga. Laters.

chutneymary · 17/10/2008 09:41

Just a quick one (again)....

I'm definitely up for the secret stork. How do we do it? Presumably we need people's addresses? I've sent my email to Effie but didn't include my address. Jam, it sounds great fun, more details please!

Books for toddlers - there's a very famous book called "there's a house inside my mummy" which is written by the purple ronnie man. It's OK about being pg but doesn't address what comes next, which is the harder part in my experience! Plus its language makes the gruffalo look like Shakespeare. I'd suggest "little Rabbit's new baby" by a chap called Harry Horse. The illustrations are lovely and the story much more resonant. The baby takes up all of mummy and daddy's time, cries a lot, can't play with little rabbit etc etc but little rabbit finds something he can do for the baby which no one else can and he grows to love it. Well, them, as there are 3 babies in there . It's a great book and the little rabbit series is charming. Poor Harry Horse and Mrs Horse had a very sad life though, so don't google him. I had to in order to find out if HH was his real name (it isn't) and got more than I bargained for .

THe sure start grant - i've never heard of this. How do you apply and is it means based? I asked the MW about the free fruit and veg thing incidentally and it's not available to all alas, only if you are eligible for certain benefits.

Have a good day everyone. I'm taking my 2 sickies out to either waitrose or lidl for a bit of light shopping. God I know how to live - the fast lane is nothing to me .

Nolda · 17/10/2008 10:06

Indith I've been reading 'The New Baby' by Anne Civardi (Usborne First Experiences) with my DD who is now 27 months. It is about the Bunn family who are expecting DC#3. Granny and grandpa come to look after the children and mummy goes into hospital in the middle of the night, visiting mummy and new baby in hospital and homecoming. I have a feeling that you are having a homebirth so maybe not that appropriate for you. We also have the house inside my mummy book but as ChutneyMary says this is aimed more for explaining about pregnancy rather than the arrival of the baby. DD loves both books and often talks about her little brother comiing soon. She says he will need to have some breakfast and put a dressing gown on and then they can play together. Very cute but I think she may be in for a disappointment!

I'm up for secret stork, I'll keep an eye out for further instructions.

preggiejane · 17/10/2008 10:19

Hi ladies- been a long time since last logged in. Hope everyone well. Can't believe how close to the big day we're getting.
Had a skim read of thread.
I can relate to the needing a wee all the time. I have found the only thing that helps is going swimming- after a swim i have the most long and refreshing wee ever. I actually look forward to that part even if it only happens once a week!

EffiePerine · 17/10/2008 10:20

Thanks for the info on books - agree about the house inside my mummy one - no info on what heppens next! Will have a look out for the others.

Email list: thanks to all who have emailed me, if anyone else would like to add their details to a Due in Dec list, please email me at personal not business at gmail dot com (no spaces). I thought I's send round a test email with the stats for everyone on the email list - let me know if you're happy with this. I'm thinking it will be esp useful for birth announcements: DH was happy with bunging a message off to an email list or two (it's a good idea to set up one for family and friends if you haven't already) but would not have been up for logging on to MN to do a birth announcement.

Meet-ups: can;t make tonight I'm afraid but the lunchtime one sounds good - I'll be another one with a toddler. Maybe they will amuse themselves?

INdith: am also finding DS very clingy and possessive at the moment. He wants to be carried everywhere, but we've negotiated hand-holding as an acceptable alternative. Funny as he's usually very independent and liable to take off for the wide open spaces given the opportunity.

Kimberly1979 · 17/10/2008 10:22

Good Morning Ladies!

Hope everyone is feeling better and enjoying the sunshine!

Sorry... can't make the meet-up tonight. I'm teaching an art class until 5:30. Wish I could come though. Would love to meet all of you and put faces with names.

Maybe I can make the lunch meet-up though.

The plumbers are here and putting in the new tub and shower! Hopefully they'll get it finished today.

poisondwarf · 17/10/2008 11:07

On the subject of preparing your DCs about the new baby, does anyone have any experience of doing this with younger children? DS is only 18 months, although he's a pretty good communicator and can understand a lot of stuff - he knows what a baby is (and always kisses pictures of them whenever he sees them - aah) and he will point to my belly and say baby but I'm pretty sure it means nothing to him. Have looked in the library to see if they've got any suitable books but the ones I've looked at are all way beyond his comprehension (haven't seen any of the books mentioned on here though). Is there any point even trying to get it across to him?

Verso exciting news about the date. Shame you can't come along tonight - it would have been lovely to see you. If you change your mind and decide to skip off early (oh go on) I can meet you before 6.30 if that's easier for you.

Turnip, LadyT (& arti?) see you at 6.30 - oh and I'm in Zone 2 LadyT I'll have you know . Any other takers?

chutney the Sure Start maternity grant is about £500 and is means tested. You are automatically entitled to it if you are in receipt of Tax Credits (not sure which type) over the basic level - or something like that. More details here.

Invisible how frustrating for you that they are expecting you to make a decision without being able to provide you with enough information to make that decision. A friend of mine had something not dissimilar the other day. She had a difficult birth last time (shoulder dystocia & ventouse delivery) and was told by a doctor after the birth that cs should definitely be a serious consideration next time. She's now 34 weeks pg and went to see the consultant about it and he just lectured her on how her "choice" to have a cs this time was not the easy option etc. and that nothing in her (inaccurate and incomplete) notes indicated that she needed one. He asked her who exactly told her she'd need a cs and of course you don't remember the name of every doctor, nurse & midwife who appears at your bedside. Then he started to say "well who would you rather believe, me or someone who probably has 2 years' experience?". When she challenged him and asked him how he could be so sure when he admitted that the notes were insufficient, he basically ushered her out of his office. She got her date in the end but felt like she'd been made to beg for something that in reality she would rather not have if she could be given some sort of real reassurance that it was likely to be safe to have a VB. Bloody doctors eh?

poisondwarf · 17/10/2008 11:11

Effie yes, test message is a good idea.

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