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Due in June - Thread 8!!!!! Boy can we chat!

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Lua · 18/02/2005 16:40

All right, a brand new and fresh thread...

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Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
LipstickMum · 21/02/2005 19:01

What's your favourite cheese then?

LipstickMum · 21/02/2005 19:03

Come on, rats are nasty. Have you not seen I'm a Calebrity ????!!!!!

charleypops · 21/02/2005 19:07

I thought that was the easiest task in the show - I'd've liked it!

charleypops · 21/02/2005 19:09

I thought that was the easiest task in the show - I'd've liked it!

LipstickMum · 21/02/2005 19:11

Weird

charleypops · 21/02/2005 19:13

They would have had to have had their teeth, nails, fleas, germs, tails and ability to jump removed first of course

LipstickMum · 21/02/2005 19:14

Change the freaking subject!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LipstickMum · 21/02/2005 19:36

By the way ladies, dp told me some very bad news yesterday. He read in a recent BMJ that the latest evidence advises no alcohol in pregnancy is safe Not even a glass a week!! There are links with delinquency and stuff. Haven't read the article yet am too depressed about it Will do so and let you know, maybe post a link if you're interested.

welshmum · 21/02/2005 19:57

Oh Lippy that is depressing - but surely every child in France would be a delinquent if it were true???
katzguk - hope everything is ok with you.
As for bosoms - just don't mention them to me. I swear I looked in the mirror in work and I look like bloody Jessica Rabbit. They are HUGE.

bubbaloo · 21/02/2005 20:01

evening all,
thats got to be the longest days post ever
katz-sorry to hear about the slapped cheek-lets hope your immune when tested
teabelly-the diabetes test wasnt at all painfull but my veins are sooooo hard to find which was a bit frustrating and the drink was yuk-VERY sweet!!! also sorry to hear about your dh and his car,but at least he's ok-the car can be replaced
welcome to cooperoo,expectantmum and nab-good luck for thurs nab!
trib-so sorry to hear about your brother-hope it all goes in his favour
talking of rodents-i love 'em
i used to breed mice and rats and had over 60 at one time so i could never kill one
had a nightmare day today.woke up this morning to find water pouring through the living room ceiling-dh and fil were decorating the nursery yesterday,loosening the radiator and forgot to tighten it back up.now have peeling wallpaper,a wet carpet and a lovely bill from a plumber-just what i needed-not!!!
hopefully once its all dried out it might not be too bad-just have to wait and see
havent had much snow today-its been too wet to settle so maybe tomorrow there'll be more

katzguk · 21/02/2005 20:07

talking about boob to bump ratios my bump with DD only just got bigger than my boobs when full term!! will post a picture of yahoo to prove it!

i put on the dress i had been living and dieing in this PG today and my boobs must have grown again as it only just fitted!!

tribpot · 21/02/2005 20:13

I must say I share welshie's scepticism about this, no-one is going to say "hurrah, a bottle a night is good for you during pregnancy" (would be nice if they did though) and let's face it, most of us would be deliquents if alcohol was always harmful even in small quantities, as our mums didn't know they weren't supposed to drink.

Equally my little (adopted) niece seems fine despite her birth mum having been p*ssed for the entire pregnancy. (Whilst not advocating that as a good strategy, I should add). Although it's too soon to tell if she will be a delinquent as she is only 2 1/2 She did try and pull her trousers down in the restaurant yesterday but I'm not sure that qualifies as deliquency.

I think the issue is that no-one knows what a safe amount is, and no-one can really do any research into it, so there's unlikely ever to be any definitive advice on the subject. Of course the safest option of all is not to drink anything at all, but within reasonable limits I think it's up to the mother to decide what risk she is prepared to take.

And on the final note before I come down off the soapbox, I will add that I think my niece was more damaged by her birth mother having been p*ssed the whole time after she was born (as well as before) - she wasn't fed properly and was very underweight when she came to my brother. It took a long time to encourage her back to eating (the foster parents had obviously fed her but didn't have time to devote to her appetite as they had loads of other kids in the house). She was terrified of loud noise and her little bro couldn't even smile at 6 months old. To me, excessive boozing in pregnancy is bad, but excessive boozing in charge of a baby is far worse.

Btw, on a completely different note, my bump seems to have expanded rapidly over the weekend, like KVG's. Very bizarre. Dh has taken to prodding my tummy to see if he can get the baby to kick, I am definitely not enjoying that!

Lua · 21/02/2005 20:51

Katz, I am sure You will be worried no maatter what but I thought I would let you know that I was curious (DD had some weird rashes recently) about slapped disease and I think you'll be OK!
50% of the women is imune and apparently is only really bad when you are in your first trimester.
Let us know about your results!

Bubaloo - hope it all dries up OK!

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nab · 21/02/2005 21:09

thanks to everyone who has said we are doing the right thing in standing up for our baby. I just wish I knew what it meant if the probs don't sort themselves out on their own. Also got to go to Great Ormond Street tomorrow with our daughter as she has foot problems. She has also had plagiocephaly and was hypotonic but they have now been treated and resolved. Went private, no one on the NHS to help.....

Uwila · 21/02/2005 23:02

Oh yes... yet another goverment study to tell us all we've done something horribly damaging to our offspring. Call me a skeptic, but all I really have to say is: whatever!?

What;s next? Oh let me guess... Chocolate is bad for unborn children.

Incidentally, my sister was the most irresponsible and selfish pregnant woman there ever was. Drank wine like it was going out of style, and smoked a lot too. Her son (now 3) miraculously hasn't suffered a bit. He is beatiful, adorable, intelligent, walked at 9 months, which is about when my mouse stomper started to crawl.

So, huh.... wouldn't worry about it. And, it wasn;t all that many generations ago that doctors advised that alcohol didn't cross the placenta. When I was a baby, my mum was advised to feed us condensed milk. Not breast milk, and not infant formula. Who would say that today??? Nobody.

So a glass of wine here and there is probably next to harmless.

Uwila · 22/02/2005 06:23

Mornin' everyone. HOpe everyone is well. I thought I'd make up for slacking off by posting the last post yesterday and the first one today.

Scraggyaggy · 22/02/2005 07:00

Hey Uwila! Back on form Girl!! Mind you, I've been totally rubbish the last few weeks - so so so busy!!

Am on the train to London (as always, think I should have a permanent sleeper carriage booked!!), have just had a mushroom omlette bap and am regretting it. Wolfed it down far too fast!!

I see everyone has been discussing the latest "medical" research into alcohol. I think it's a lot of twaddle. We all KNOW that alcohol is bad for you, but we also know a fair bit about it.

Who knows that there is a potential danger of listeria from, wait for it, pre-packed salad? Who has inadvertently consumed sudan 1 in the last few months? Who knows what could be lurking in that bottle of squash you bought that is so brightly coloured? Has anyone eaten an apple lately? Was it waxed and had it been treated with pesticides?

My point is, that if you spent your whole life worrying about these things a) you would go mad and b) you would have to be totally self-sufficient otherwise you'd be a hypocrite. Besides, alcool has always played a fundamental role in our diets from way back when, when we used to "flavour" our water with mead to make it drinkable and kill off all the bugs. Personally, I don't think that drinking to excess, or doing anything to excess in fact, is going to do anyone any good, but a little of what you fany makes for a balanced, happy, healthy individual.

Lecture over! Hope no-one is offended by my comments.

Scraggyaggy · 22/02/2005 07:00

Hey Uwila! Back on form Girl!! Mind you, I've been totally rubbish the last few weeks - so so so busy!!

Am on the train to London (as always, think I should have a permanent sleeper carriage booked!!), have just had a mushroom omlette bap and am regretting it. Wolfed it down far too fast!!

I see everyone has been discussing the latest "medical" research into alcohol. I think it's a lot of twaddle. We all KNOW that alcohol is bad for you, but we also know a fair bit about it.

Who knows that there is a potential danger of listeria from, wait for it, pre-packed salad? Who has inadvertently consumed sudan 1 in the last few months? Who knows what could be lurking in that bottle of squash you bought that is so brightly coloured? Has anyone eaten an apple lately? Was it waxed and had it been treated with pesticides?

My point is, that if you spent your whole life worrying about these things a) you would go mad and b) you would have to be totally self-sufficient otherwise you'd be a hypocrite. Besides, alcool has always played a fundamental role in our diets from way back when, when we used to "flavour" our water with mead to make it drinkable and kill off all the bugs. Personally, I don't think that drinking to excess, or doing anything to excess in fact, is going to do anyone any good, but a little of what you fancy makes for a balanced, happy, healthy individual.

Lecture over! Hope no-one is offended by my comments.

Scraggyaggy · 22/02/2005 07:15

Just found out that they have a travelling chef on board!! They NEVER have a travelling chef this early and now I am too stuffed for a breakfast! Boo-hoo!

Have been having a flick through the messages and notice that you've been discussing breast pumps. Someone recommended a hand one to me. Not sure if it was Katzguk, as then you can control the flow if you have sore nipples. Also, someone recommended a single-handed job so you could do sthg else (like read) at the same time. I've ended up with a Tomy one from Boots as it seemed to be shaped really comfortably.

Tea - Hope DH is ok. And you are too. x

Charley - Belated Happy Birthday Wishes!!

Franniban - Please fill us all in on your day yesterday. I'm sure that between us all we know enough about the law to put them straight (if necessary)

Cooperoo - Welcome! Where abouts are you based? Apologies, if you have said this already.

LipstickMum · 22/02/2005 09:10

Lol Interesting reactions to the 'no alcohol' study which was a medical study not a government one, or funded by them in any way. Nor is it anything they they have decided to adopted in their Dept. of Health policies.

Researchers have shown in the past that there are safe limits of alcohol consumption during pregnancy, hence the dept of health telling us the 1-2 units a week is safe/ok.

I think that although these studies give evidence of links between certain things, they are doing just that; showing a link, not an absolute certainty. There's an exception to every rule; the 2 pack a day smoker who never gets lung cancer. Not all children exposed to alcohol will suffer from all the things on the spectrum that they could do.
The evidence from these latest studies isn't conclusive about the exact dose of alcohol that is safe in pregnancy. They do say that individual differences in metabolism may protect most women when drinking in small quantities. They also say that the advice they give can so easily be misinterpretated. Thse 2 factors combined have led to beliefs that the only safe message in pregnancy is no alcohol at all. Which is apparantly the message that Canada, Australia and the States already advise.

But Trib, you're right, it's all about the risks we are prepared to take. I know I'm taking way more in this pregnancy than I did with my first. Not to mention the research we actually choose to believe or not. For example, I believe there's a link with excessive tv watching, x-box playing and aggression, hyperactivity, lack of concentration etc in children. My best friend doesn't and has let her daughter have a tv and dvd in her room since she was 2 and she watches pretty much unsupervised. Anyway, I digress.

I think I will still have the odd drink, before dp comes home of course Although I do feel bad about that, it's his baby too after all.

LipstickMum · 22/02/2005 09:12

Hehe alcohol in pregnancy isn't even my soapbox

teabelly · 22/02/2005 09:21

Morning girls,

Won't add to the alcohol thoughts...but my baby likes the odd tipple and who am I to disagree, he he he!

Scraggy - I'm shocked - whatever you fany??!! and I thought I was the rude one, ha ha ha

Lippy - fav cheese - ooohh too many...love them all - except mild cheddar - don't see the point in this!!

Bubb - hope your living room dries out soon - what a thing to happen - definitely don't need it right now! Thanks for the comments re the GTT - someone else has told me that the drink is very eeeuwwww - but it's the needles that terrify me!

Well we had about an inch or so of snow, hurrah...but not enough to keep me at home, booo! Nevermind - they're forcasting more for today so there's hope I may yet get a lie in tomorrow!

LipstickMum · 22/02/2005 09:43

Brie, ripe enough to walk off the plate, every time.

Cooperoo · 22/02/2005 09:49

Morning all,
Hope everyone is ok.
Scraggy - I am in Cyprus, just south of Limassol.
I believe in all things in moderation. I had the occasional glass of wine last time I was pregnant and I am doing the same this time round. I must admit though that I am not being nearly as careful with my diet etc as I was first time round and do feel guilty on occasion. With dd I had so much fruit and veg and good stuff. This time round I am of the opinion that if I can't stuff my face and have an excuse to put on weight when I am pregnant then I never will. I know I will suffer for it later and I must have put on well over a stone but if I NEED a bacon sandwich then I NEED a bacon sandwich OK??? I was exercising still with dd1 and was in much better shape overall but there you go. Last pregnancy despite being really careful I still put on more than the recommended weight in the first part of my pregnancy but not as much towards the end. DD was 8lb 7 and all was well I guess my body was keen on the fat stores early on. At least that is what I am telling myself. I must admit I am not weighing myself this pregnancy either. I dont really know what I was before but have weighed in once and so I am guessing how much I have put on. I won't weigh myself again until I have this baby I don't think. We don't have scales in the house and it is great.
Does anyone else feel second pregnancies are SO different? I loved my pregnancy the first time round and felt so special and everyone made a fuss etc. I spoke to the bump loads but this poor bump is quite neglected really. Some days I haven't even remembered about it until 1030 because I am busy with dd. Oh well I guess it will be used to less attention from the start poor little thing.
Chat later.

teabelly · 22/02/2005 09:52

I'm more a camebert over brie girl myself...but I certainly wouldn't turn it down