March2013 New year, new trimester, old symptoms but the finishing post is in sight!

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And confuddled has passed it!

So will this one be our last before we move to post natal?

And who is next?

Thanks sarah & jojo for the thread title. :)

Oh Lauren that is so sad and reminded me of my friends neighbour who felt lots of massive movements then nothing and the same had happened to her.
Breaks my heart to think of these delicate miracles being in distress and worse.
I personally like to know the worst case scenarios and the best makes me feel more secure and confident I am prepared should the worst happen.
But that is just me!
I am having an emotional week dunno about anyone else but no one can do right by me I am such a mardy cow I just take everything the wrong way!
I think I am stir crazy or it's hormones but don't remember being this moody with DS

I've seen that message posted elsewhere Lauren, but have yet to see any medical evidence to back it up. Sorry for being sceptical...

My DS2 never stopped and even the MW were shocked how much he moved and was always awake it turned out he just was a squirmer and even in sleep was moving!
I think if this was the case when you went in and they asked if you have felt baby move and you say loads they would look into more and not see it as a good thing baby has been active!
Plus possom you are right there is no medical evidence at all of this so I think it's just one of those scary stories thats being passed about needlessly

There's no medical evidence into what specifically causes Cot Death and SIDS, there are things that may contribute to it, i.e. smoking, sleeping with your child, but nothing within the body itself that explains it, and nothing that physically pinpoints a direct reason, yet that happens quite often.

Can I just say that the internet is full of utter crap. If you Google for long enough or indeed not for long enough you will stumble over some sort of misinformed tosh or another. Unfortunately it gets circulated and becomes something of either an urban myth or accepted wisdom.

The truth of the matter is - there are countless books written that you can access with actual medical and biological facts, albeit they're not always the easiest books to read. And there are countless medical professionals who are working hard to ensure that we all have healthy children.

Infant mortality rates have dropped drastically over the years. That doesn't mean that every baby lives, there is still a great deal of sadness for many women who don't deserve it and for whom many questions will never be satisfactorily answered. Medicine is not magic, there are always more questions to answer and more to be done, but lets not knock what has been acheived, or indeed think we know best because we've googled.

A baby being active = bad. A baby not being active = bad. Drinking from plastic bottles = bad. Hair dye = bad. Standing on your head = bad. Gees, if you read enough of this stuff you would be a nervous wreck, and the one thing that is a proper medical fact is that stressed mums to be are not good Mum's to be. Stress is bad for baby.

So please do not go trawling about the internet for more things to be stressed about or to stress ladies who are already worrying. Anyone who has a concern, why not ask a medical professional - note emphasis on professional - and try to trust their years of training and study, rather than some post on the internet that could be utter fiction, you've really no way of knowing.

If I sound harsh and narky I am sorry. But I have read so much concern by March ladies over the months that I cannot fathom why on earth you would be looking for more things to worry about and then sharing them.

Plus, can i just add if baby is active constantly then of course no need to worry because that's normal for you. But when you know the routine your baby develops, and suddenly he/she goes mad, you would be a little concerned. It's about knowing your own bump. I certainly wouldn't say it's being passed around needlessly. As Em said, it happened to a neighbour, so there are clearly people whom it has happened too.

ONS stats for 2010: The unexplained infant death rate for boys was 0.40 per 1000 live births. The rate for girls was 0.30 per 1000 live births.

If you lose a baby you think of everything that was different that week from did I have to much tea or sneeze to hard, been there done that so I don't think that's a reliable information source if it was true they would monitor that like they do reduced movement

Well said, Tramp, and others.

At the risk of annoying people, and to add my two-penneth, I think we have to be really careful on antenatal threads not to needlessly worry people.

Excruciatingly sad things happen in and at the end of pregnancies - and there are and have been plenty of people on this thread since last summer who have experience of miscarriage and stillbirth and are braving out their current pregnancies admirably.

We can all read enough about worst case scenarios on other threads - that's where I have spent a lot of time when I've had specific worries and it's brilliant that those threads are there for focused discussion and support - but since last summer this thread has been, overwhelmingly, a place for support and reassurance and hand-holding through the difficult moments of pregnancies that are, by and large, going well and that will we all hope end in healthy outcomes.

There are so many worst-case-scenarios we could post here and dwell on but, really, should we? From what I've got out of this thread over the past months I feel strongly that this isn't the place for potentially alarmist posts which could very easily come across as scare-mongering leading to excess worry.

I don't want to dwell on this too much as it is upsetting and rare but my friends neighbour said the movements were erratic far from the normal wriggles she was used to she also said it happened so quickly she probably couldn't have got into hospital quickly enough had she known.
They probably don't tell us these things as they cause stress and are probably not preventable.
This isn't a I know a friend of a friend situation I have spoken to her about it when we were both at my friends house but don't know her well enough to say she is a friend. But she also didn't go into detail with me - as expected bless her she was over 40 weeks though.
Looking on the Internet for horror stories isn't good but looking for ways to prevent tragedies is different like not smoking and putting baby on their back to sleep decreases risk of SIDS doesn't mean a baby on their front will die or that a baby on their back will be 100% safe but I for one will do anything I can to reduce risk if there is evidence.
If we all knew everything that could go wrong in pregnancy we would never do it but many problems are rare and people don't even tell you about piles and constipation so not surprising they don't discuss other things!
Let's not scare each other too much it's far too sensitive a subject

Crossed posts with mandasan but nods agreement

My original point was, i suffered with something, some ladies on here hadn't heard of, i explained it as asked, and someone said winder why they'd never heard of it. Hence my original comment of:

"I find a lot of things don't get mentioned, or just get grazed over. I think if we knew everything, we'd all panic far too much!"

And quoted what i read from a post on another site i visit often. Whether it's a thing that's going around, or whether people feel its needless scare tactics, its not something i posted to scare at all. I feel people shouldn't have jumped on that bandwagon whatsoever. In fact i find rather rude. Whether people believe it or not, or have experienced it, or know someone whom has experienced it, it's something else to discuss and debate, not be ridiculously snobby about it.

I agree with:

"A baby being active = bad. A baby not being active = bad. Drinking from plastic bottles = bad. Hair dye = bad. Standing on your head = bad. Gees, if you read enough of this stuff you would be a nervous wreck, and the one thing that is a proper medical fact is that stressed mums to be are not good Mum's to be. Stress is bad for baby."

Completely.

I certainly don't think i know best because of Google, i never rely on Google, my mothers a midwife and i talk to her if i have issues. And i never ever implied i knew about this because of Google.

Beginning to see why Lanny left.

If I lost my baby I would be analysing every moment up to that point seeking answers, even as my rational brain accepted that there probably aren't any. In the meantime I would be doing all I could to support those who are researching why these awful things happen and trying to find answers.

The thing about SIDS is it is a catch all term for unexplained infant deaths. The key being unexplained. Not smoking around small babies whose lungs are still developing makes perfect sense, when you consider all that we know about smoking. We all want to do all we can to protect our babies before and after they are born. Sadly it is not always in our power to protect our babies or ourselves, much as we would all like to thing we can. Humanity is an arrogant beast.

If we all knew everything that could go wrong in pregnancy.. well we all know a goodly number of them. Many women here have miscarried, or had problems conceiving, or lost a child or have had a traumatic experience involving pregnancy in the past. And yet we're here, supporting each other, coming up to the end strait, on the whole for all the problems and hospital visits we are all doing well.

So lets not fall in to the trap of circulating scare stories. Lets remind each other of the facts, and when we don't know counsel that we seek the advice of the MW and Dr's and that so doing is not silly or foolish.

Once again, apologies if I sound narky, but there are enough negatives out there. Lets all try to be positive and well informed and keep on supporting each other.

tramp don't apologise for being narky- something of a sensitive nature and close to home for alot of people was posted and those people had an opinion and commented on it which is the way it should be! If people don't want people to have an opinion they shouldn't post things like this esp not on an antenatal thread. I believe this is meant to be support page and not scare mongering which has clearly upset other people nothing to do with a 'bandwagon'
I too can see why lanny left- because of posts like this scaring her which is part of the reason I have backed off!

Look, I'm all for information (e.g. if you notice a change in movements from the usual pattern, contact midwife), but this is copied and pasted scaremongering. All I'm saying is please have a think before posting something like that on an antenatal thread full of women approaching their 9th month of pregnancy.

Zoey I wonder what part of me mentioning it was meant as scare mongering, i mentioned it because it was something i came across the other day, not to scare in the slightest at all, which i made a point of saying, maybe you should learnt to read before, yes jumping on the bandwagon. Because quite frankly, your rude.

As I said below, Lauren, I consider your post to have been scare-mongering too.

Not rude- honest there is a difference!!!!
The fact you can't see even mentioning it was scare mongering says alot more about you than it does me I am afraid
And I can read, things and opinions worth my time do won't which means I won't be going back to read what you did or didn't write

The fact is i've said several times that it wasn't written as scaremongering, and you've ignored it several times, this means yes you are being rude. It was a comment made in conversation about bits and pieces. Not purposely put on here randomly breaking the flow. Your attitude is dire. There's honesty nicely put but then there was your comment.

That's your opinion - as I said everyone is entitled to one

Lauren - You say you did not intend to scaremonger. I am quite sure that you did not. But if you consider for a moment the difference between explaining your medical condition - one which posters on here were unaware of and were asking about - to that of a story from another forum that relates to an awful tale but comes without any medical facts or indeed confirmation that it is real. I think the concerns expressed, and I am one such person, is to say that sharing this will just worry some people when really this is not something that stands up to scrutiny.

I am sure you did not intend to do anything other than share some knowledge with everyone here. You are defending why you posted it, they, and I, are explaining why we believe it should not be given credence. That isn't rude, but it is expressing a view.

Not yourself, i agree with a lot of what you have written and have wrote that, and have you have took into account, i have wrote several times about it not being meant as scare mongering at all, which you have read and actually listened to. But others express there views it in a very rude way, such as the comment about rolling eyes, which i feel very very unnecessary.