March 2013 VIII: feeling kicks, comparing knits and halfway there

[theTramp]

Old thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/antenatal_clubs/1588951-March-2013-VII-Our-little-pumpkins-are-getting-fatter?msgid=35174657#thread

See Gummi my SILs cause problems for everyone, lol!

Lots of yummy healthy food talk, good timing as for once I am not hungry might be the big mac and chips for lunch
Can not wait to go home, lay in bath and then relax ready for my big boy turning a whole 10 tomorrow - cant believe how grown up he is and has reached double figures its making me feel super old and determined to keep this one a baby FOREVER!!!

Glad everyone has had successful scans and appointments today, everything seems to be ticking over nicely and getting closer to Christmas and new year which one that is over we will be on the home stretch eap some of us that will have them early etc!

PND-had it three times. Have already started this time probably due to the major realisation that the SPD is going to restrict me this much. I get anxious, hoard & cling to the children. All that helps me is dh being ligical and time (cant take ADs) as really struggle going back to work. Particularly my work as last time I returned to work with babies in care :(
manda change is a trigger here but the key is to be aware and your dh to be aware so you can get treatment ASAP.

Fussy eaters- dd1 eats ok, dd2 eats less than 10 things and dd3 eats everything. Dd3 was BLW rather than purees like the others but there doesn't seem to be a guarantee either way!

welcome to the March thread emsyboo!

fussy eating - well I'm not too bad, I eat most things, but I have a childish confession - I still don't eat my crusts!!

Welcome emsyboo :)

Ill be doing the same as you manda re the veggie eating, DH is strict vegetarian, I just don't like the taste or texture of meat so I'll eat very little meat and don't feel it's fair to cook meat at home because of the smell and mess. I don't really miss it and when we go out then I will have fish or very occasionally meaty meals and will encourage DD to try meat and fish when we are out.

I'm worried about PND, DH especially so as I don't do very well on my own at home, cabin fever doesn't cover it! I've had depression and problems with self harm and eating disorders in the past, my MW flagged me up for specialist support but she didn't ask me about my history - she only flagged me up when I said my dad had several suicide attempts (when he eventually died it was in an accident which I thought was ironic!) but tbh that experience has maybe made me know the signs better in other people. When I was on the pill I got down times of about 2 weeks where it was all I could do to get dressed and go to work, Everything is overwhelming, even tidying or looking after myself. I think that was hormonal as when I stopped being on the pill my mood has been fairly stable and I'm not down for anywhere near as long. DH is very worried that all the hormonal changes will give me PND and he'll have to look after me and DD and there'll be no-one to help while he's at work, he's even saved up some money so I can go to baby and mum groups and go for cups of tea!

I laughed at whoever said that they could do 100 things with a quorn frankfurter - I love quorn frankfurters! I loved all the meal suggestions, I do a lot of jackets and vegetable bolognese, now my appetite is back I've been eating pretty much as before but in bigger quantities

Evening all,
I have been lurking a bit as have been so busy! The orangery/extention is in the final phase, so que frantic decorating prior to wood floor laying and tile laying prior to cupboard installing! DH is curreltly grouting. I have been told in no uncertain terms not to help as I have done enough with all the painting (with surgical mask on 'borrowed' from work!) Feel very guilty for not helping though!

I have no chance of catching up as you have all done some talking over the last few days! I remember a pram conversation (nothing to add as have one from SIL - no idea what it is, but I like it, just what we were looking for too!)
Loving the quick meal recipies, any chahce we can formulate a document on the FB group to put them on?? I would love to try some of them out but by the time I manage to get around to writing them down I will have no chance of remembering where they are on the thread!

I am a little conceren about PND as have lots of the risk factors (history of anxiety, death of parent at early age and subsequently no maternal figure, high acheiver, career focused, older, friend network not close by) I have spoken to the midwife who feels I will be fine due to in law support, DH support and awareness of possibility, however I have briefed DH and friends about it and asked them to help sort me out if I show any signs and don't realise myself! I think that is all you can do really, I do try not to worry about what may or may not happen, I'd rather use my energy on things that are happening in the here and now!

Welcome emsy
Lovely news about results sundae I have been thinking about you
Hospital appointments sound full on manda!
joJo I keep seeing owl things, baby and non baby related and think about you!

Getting fluttery movements now when i'm not so busy, placenta is anterior though so not feeling much other than bouncing on my cervix which hurts! The sonographer on Saturday said that she was sat quite happily bottom in my cervix, looking very comfortable! Great!
Still adjusting to my girl news. Alternating between excited and very spooked! It's lovely that the 'baby' is now a 'baby girl' which means I feel like I am bonding more with her and can imagine something more tangable. It just makes it very, very real now which spaces me out to be honest. I have had periods of being like this all the way through, so I'm sure i'll get past it! Suck it up whitfield!!!

Lots of love to all, I will try and post as much as hectic schedule allows! xxx

Hi all,

Also been lurking and not posting here and FB. Had an insanely busy weekend decorating and throwing a toddler friendly fireworks party.

Manda your comment about buying paint without testing made me laugh. On Sunday I let DP choose paint and paint entire hall, landing and stairs without any of my input, was so exhausted. Seem to have reached a point where I will do anything to get house sorted before baby comes.

Congrats to those with successful scans. Especially Stealth must be an enormous weight off your mind even if you don't realise it yet.

Looking back, I can't quite believe I didn't get PND with DD. Didn't know anyone else with children and had OH working abroad. I think I was so happy not to be pregnant anymore. Definitely a good idea to be as self aware as possible though. Hermione all hormonal contraceptives send me to the edge as well so it is by no means inevitable for you. Really recommend going to the NCT Bumps and Babes group when you are pregnant if you can. Sounds stupid, but it will be a lot less daunting to go to with baby if you have already been and was a lifesaver for me when DD was v small.

I think I have almost got my tastebuds back. Still eating carb heavy meals though, feel like i need it for the energy and can't even stomach the thought of fish. Am going to try Tramp's satay stirfry next week, sounds delish.

lanny I'm reeling myself in from the owl purchasing!!! I keep telling myself the theme is woodland, not just owl but then find more owl stuff and just melt!!

Sorry, very quick moan. I FEEL SICK. Really really sick. Urgh. Felt sick ALL day yesterday, all morning today until had to change a pooey nappy and threw up quite spectacularly but actually then got a couple of hours respite, then it came back and hasn't gone. Rubbish rubbish rubbish. Moan over, sorry guys.

Welcome Emsy!

(((flowery))))

lanny cervix kicks -ouch!

Aww flowery.

Hello Lanny and Subs - please lurk less an post more, you get missed you know.

House progress sounds good to me. Well done on all of that.

Enjoy the satay story fry when you try it. We just had a Chinese takeaway, am too sleepy and lazy to cook tonight. Mushy brain from reading too much actuarial data. Nnnnngh

It had just taken me a good hour to catch up on all your posts! Bloody hell I thought I could talk!
Have read and digested all, but on phone so can only manage a limited name check!

Sundae, great news on scan. We were told similar probability for DD. think really it's just a random figure to demonstrate they are fairly sure, just not certain!

Re: the PND thing, I think most new mums have at least a brief spell of the blues. It is just such a shock to your system that it is hard to leap out of bed every day raring to go.

em when you're at the NCT sale, make sure if you see something with my name in it, you snap it up! . Are we Yorkies still thinking of having a get together sometime?

Feeling much more movement now which is a relief. Not noticeable from the outside, but I can feel lots of kicks and flicks (I found like Len Goodman!!)

All the recipes sound lovely. I need a kick up the arse food wise, so may just give some of these a whir!

Welcome emsy!

Well I had another sneezy wet pants moment. It would appear my pelvic floor needs some serious exercise! Great. Heartburn is starting up (deep joy) and still riddled with stretchmarks from last time. Apart from that, all is great! Ha ha!

zoey I'd chase the mat b1, I got mine at my 20 week appt as like you Wong be seeing midwife til 28 weeks.

Got GTT booked in for 14 Dec. Deep joy.

Hope you're all ok. Better go, supposed to be watching homeland with DH!

Apols as always for prolific typos....

I rang midwife today and left a message 10.00 am and she is still yet to reply and Tuesday is her clinic day - told you she was blinking useless!!!
Well the little so and so has wedged his feet down low and is kicking me straight in my cervix / stitch and I don't like it at all, really hurts and is putting a lot of pressure down there and sort of feels bubbling all the way down my lady bits- am glad I have a scan Thursday as in all honesty things don't feel 'right' for want of a better term. Then again could just be normal and me worrying to much as am 22 weeks tomorrow and previous 2 have had problems at 22 and 23 weeks- plus I haven't had a 'normal' pregnancy yet!!'

Sorry moan over just don't want to tell DH as he will panic and demand hospital now!!!!

Stealth what a touching story regarding your Mum and the cardigan.

Sorry you've suffered so much with PND Ood and sorry to hear your troubles too Hermione.

Interesting your MW didn't ask you more about your history, Hermione. Looking back, I mentioned my short period of antidepressants (nearly two decades ago now) and (more recently) milder depression/anxiety and long-term counselling, but they didn't go into it either - fine for me as I feel it's not an active issue, apart from the worries about PND. I did get a leaflet on that, I think. Gosh, what you say about the pill reminds me how, when I first went on the combined pill at uni I went a bit bonkers, as if I was pre-menstrual all the time. Took me a year to realise what it was and it ruined an otherwise perfectly good relationship with my first love, too. I guess that was a kind of hormonal depression. Progesterone-only pill suits me really, really well - no side effects at all. Very sweet and lovely of your DH! Sounds like a v.g. plan. Build in networks and strategies in advance.

Nooo Em I read your story as positive, since you got through it and, as you say, there's light at the end of the tunnel Love the idea of your friend's twins spurring each other on to eat! Fab!

And what a great eater your DS3 is Pink! I'd love two of those, please!

Cor, Flowery, admire you cooking all that meat! I do sausages when we have house guests (and DH therefore loves us having house guests!) Otherwise, I cook, so I decide. Though I don't cook stuff like tofu which DH hates - I'm not that mean! Ohhhh sorry you're feeling so unwell, though. Hope you turn a corner tomorrow.

Zoey sorry you have worries - and understandably given your history at this point in pregnancy. Thursday is nearly there. Hang on and F(firmly)X for you, my dear!

Em crusts are overrated

Well done on extension progress, Lanny!

Will attempt to put recipes on FB doc. Sorry if I miss some!

So, what colour is your hall, landing and stairs, Suburban?! Think you are v. brave, hehe!

Welcome Emsyboo! Always room for a newbie!

Aww hugs to Flowery! And sympathy ethelred, heartburn also started here and I'm drinking gallons of Gaviscon :(
stealth got a bit teary reading about the cardigan story!
Hope everyone has a good day. Had a meltdown in the doc's yesterday - need my MatB1 form as next appointment is after the deadline for work. Called the surgery and reception told me I could pick it up that evening, which meant leaving work an hour early.
Got there to be told that only a midwife could do it so I'd need to make an appointment today as she isn't in on Tuesday! Really difficult when I don't work nearby and am really manic at work right now. Had a bit of a meltdown and they've agreed that DH can pick it up and they'll get midwife to do it today. I felt awful as the receptionists last night were really helpful but I wish they wouldn't give out the wrong info!

Morning.

Zoey - moan away! I would be moaning if I had to put up with all tge health issues, work hassles, being a mum and wide probs and then pants MW on top of it all too.

PND - not something I've thought or worried about. Should it happen I hope I'm caught by my fab support network. But I'd be v surprised if it did.

The Pill - grrr. They peddle it relentlessly and yet it's not always right or good for you. Thanks to PCOS (not that it was diagnosed at time) I had terrible probs from 12 (2 years before periods started) onwards. Inclusive of the joys of body acne from 15-22, jut as one gets body aware (sigh) and the monthly funof reacting to my period with same symptoms as someone with food poisoning. Answer was - the pill. Only it wasn't. First one gave me migranes. Second one made me lose my periods altogether. Next one made me cry when I dropped the soap in the shower. Not one cleared or helped with the acne. I have stretch marks from my two stone weight gain in 3 weeks. (I grant you being 6ft and 8.5 stone meant I could afford to but a little weight gain as a side effect my arse). So at 19 I said I'd had enough no more pills for me. I read up on acne, use tea tree, witch Hazel to clear my skin. Took oil of eve primrose which got rid of monthly sickness 11 out of 12 months in the year. Wore natural fibres only so skin could breathe. Et voilla by 22 acne free. BUT from 19 to 33 every dr I saw gave me a hard time about not being on pill. You'd think I was the most irresponsible woman walking around today. And I was 27 before a Dr bothered to question my history and test me for PCOS - which by the way gets aggravated by the pill.

Sorry, rant over.

My early start hasn't gone well. Train delays so 30 min wait to get on a train. Which means I could've spent extra time washing & blow drying my hair after all. And I'm not in for 9.30 as I'd hoped, so no extra time before the meetings start. Boo.

How's everyone feeling today? Better I hope.

Place marking

Tramp I feel the same about the Pill. So many people have similar experiences but they push it and push it, maddening. After you have had kids they do the same with the Mirena Coil. I had to push so so hard to get a copper one, which are absolutely brilliant by the way no hormones and last 10 years.

Hope your day perks up. I have already faced the wrath of a Bus driver running late but home with poached eggs already so can't complain.

I hope you feel better now Flowery. I was sick on Monday, just tiredness I think and tipped over the edge by a revolting nappy too, but it is even worse when you have had a taste of pregnancy without the sickness.

Manda the hall is grey it's not perfect but I am a broken woman at the moment. Haven't even thought about the nursery, would like to get DD's room sorted first.

Hi ladies, would love to join if you'll have me? . Have been trying to follow the March threads from the first one but after a mc last year was too scared to join in case the same happened again and then got really bad sickness and didn't have the energy to keep up or join in. Anyway edd 8th March but this is baby no3 and first two dd's were both induced at 40+14 so I expect the same to happen this time as my body obviously can't be bothered to go into labour naturally .

We are expecting another dd which is great and should be cheaper than if we were having a boy but as we got rid of all the baby stuff 3 months before I got pregnant it's turning out not to be , oh well lot's of shopping to do. DD1 is 7 and dd2 will be 5 two days before Christmas so a little bit of a gap but all very excited.

Sorry to everyone feeling poorly. I had cold a couple of weeks ago but it went quite quickly luckily.

Glad everyones scans have been going well and so pleased your inital results were good stealth.

I am feeling exhausted all the time so not doing much with myself while the girls are at school (sahm). I'm sure I wasn't this tired with my first two pg's. Never mind, perhaps I'll start to bloom soon .

Is the stats thread still going? Will go and see if I can find it and add myself. Would love to join the fb group too if that's ok .

Welcome Furry!

Please don't judge me ladies but I've just had chocolate moose for breakfast with chocolate milkshake... It's all I can face right now!!
May I join in as a fellow pill hater, when I had problems getting pregnant the answer was simple to my gp! Go on the pill and regulate your periods, so I did and suffered with migraines for 6 months.
Not once did my gp mention it could be the pill, instead I was told I was suffering with Stress and put on antidepressants.
Eventually things twigged and I was given the mini pill but that doesn't regulate periods so when I questioned that I was just fobbed off.
I stopped taking them without informing my gp and 4 years later fell pregnant.

Haha, I have had a handful of Heroes and a diet coke!! oops. Just couldn't face toast this morning.

Not feeling well and have to go and see a horrid client now... gah.

I haven't been on the pill since a teenager, condoms have always been the way! I did have a coil for a while but that was a huge and painful (emotionally) disaster. Have been on prozac though, when I was off sick for a year I got a bit down, so a little worried about the PND thing.

Interesting all the bad reactions to the pill. I was on the mini pill for ages as it controls my mood swings and endometriosis. I can't take the combined one though.

Welcome furry :)

Having a long day today. Am knackered as dd3 keeps yelling wee in the night and then isn't going back to sleep.
Dh let me stay in bed until 7:45 and did school run as dd2 had to be in early so dd3 and I have made cakes, tidied the room which will be hers and made a big pile for the loft, watched the Bob Xmas special again and done a pile of shredding!

manda need to Pm you re FB as I've not got round to joining but FB is a pita at the moment so am not in a rush. I'm a bit boring though as I never put pics of me/kids on

myjob sorry to hear about your scare. Must have been very worrying for you. Glad you got everything checked out and all is fine. We also eat quite a bit of veggie food as meat is so expensive and I don't like to buy the low welfare stuff.

jojo and sundae no judgement from me! I had some malt-loaf for breakfast this morning which is essentially just cake! I have also been known to have the odd haribo at brekkie time too

Re the pill, I completely agree that it is really pushed very hard as an amazing cure all when it reality I feel it just covers up problems. For years I had irregular periods and the doctors would just say 'well go on the pill and they will be regular' but I didn't care they were irregular I just wanted to know why and if it would effect my ability to have babies!! Anyway, seems at least I was lucky that I didn't have a bad reaction to the combined pill. A wonderful homeopathic doctor managed to get my periods back on track in the end. Ladies be warned though you will be pushed big time (well, at least I was) after you've had your babies as to what form of contraception you will use. I felt like saying 'mind your own business' (celibacy mostly works for me )