Due in October part 8- still plodding along, this time with copious amounts of raspberry leaf tea

[Londonmrss]

Surely this'll be the last one before moving to the postnatal section?

Due Dates:

Sept. 24: Lisbethsopposite DS2 by planned induction
Sept. 25: Squidkid DC1
Sept. 26: Elpis DC2 by ELCS
Sept. 27: Planktonette DC1
Oct. 1: FjordMor DD1 by planned induction, Gigglewhizz DC1(?)
Oct. 2: Firstbubba DC1, Milk DC2
Oct. 5: Yomping DC1
Oct. 7: Crazypaving DC2
Oct. 10: WantAnOrange DC2, MrsConfusion DC1, MidgetM if induced
Oct. 11: Smileyhappymummy DC2 by ELCS
Oct. 14: Hufflepuffle DC1.
Oct. 17: Smorgs, DC1
Oct. 18: Bella2012 DC2, Beccus DC1
Oct. 19: Shellwedance DC1
Oct. 20: Beeblebear DC1, MidgetM if ELCS DC2
Oct. 21: Dosomethingmutley DC1
Oct. 26: Londonmrss, DC1, Zara1984 DS1, Liege07 DS1
Oct. 28: Kyyria DC1, Loopyla, DC1
Oct. 30: Cherrychopsticks, DC1
Nov. 1: Londonlivvy DC1
Nov. 8: Mickey DC1

Actual babies:

Sept. 20: Velo - Max 2.35kg
Sept. 25: Angelico - Mini Angelico, CWest30 - Naomi Louise, 4lb 10oz

Aw, thank you all, will report back to him that the MN collective thinks he did good. Other people's opinions are very important to him so he will be very . He is wonderful and supportive and I am very lucky, wish he didn't have to mop up my tears quite so often recently but I guess that just goes with the territory at the moment.

Livvy, that comment from your DH made me well up! What a gorgeous thing to say! And I think if you go to IKEA, you will be able to find someone to load onto your trolley and transfer to your car, they are great like that. My DH also hates trips to IKEA, the only way he has found to get through the trauma experience is to grab a few of those washing up brushes with the suction pads at the bottom, and stick them in silly places as we wander round - he is a bit of a big kid, he will do great as a parent!

Bella, thank you for lovely comments yesterday too. You are so kind and supportive of others and I bet you are a great mum. Glad you got time away with DH, you deserved it.

Is anyone else sulking big time with pregnancy? In a "fuck you, pregnancy, today I am not going to listen to my CD, do my massage or eat my dates, ha ha ha, that will show you!" sort of way? I seem to have reached this stage, but I'm not sure who it's going to show, really, apart from me - I don't think pregnancy gives a toss whether I do my massage and listen to my CD every day but I sure might when it comes to labour . Great that I have such a mature attitude since, you know, I'm about to be a role model to a small child...

Hmmmm, must be something in the air last night. Was awake at 4am. Had a proper mn read and time for a catch up.
Yomping - love live love the bely paintings. Esp love the james bond. Slightly dissapointed though that there is no death star bump pic. Ha!

Squid - you sound like you and jess are rocking the night time feeds. Well done! Night is the most important time to feed as that's when our hormones are highest and helps establish supply. (or so my mil the lc keeps telling me) so keep it up!

Loopy- no bump drop here. But i'll admit I am bouncing on the ball a bit each bight with copious amounts of hip rocking.

Huffle - we got wireless headphones for the tv as livingroom-bedroom share a wall. Best thing ever!

Cherry - - lol, yes sometimes the auto correct are funny! Do you have trouble with this site being really sliw to catch up with the typing being in japan? Oh and re: shower. My mil (an lc) says it's very important to get skin to skin with baby pre-shower and establish a couple of feeds first. She said best to maybe have a bit if a spinge bath un l&d and to wait until trasferred into post-partum unit so that in new surroundings baby can still have familial smell and will stay calmer.

Well that is about all my morning brain can handle... Waves to everyone else! Can someone please dig up out list and re-post. I'm curious to see where we are all at.

Have a lovely tear free day everyone!

yomping I'm definitely having a "fuck you" day towards pregnancy Plus another one of my friends (due 18th) has had her waters break this morning. Everyone I personally know (outside of MN) who se having first children are all having them early...why do i have a horrible feeling that I'm going to be the one that goes 2 weeks over???

Still, have.eventually done some cleaning/organising that I've been meaning to do for ages. Have shifted the pile of rubbish from infront of the wardrobe so that I can get Moses.basket in the bedroom. However all the rubbish is now sitting on the bed

Sorry sorry sorry ? just leaping in with a me, me, me post as am really upset

Went to MW appt this morning and she thinks the baby?s breech and I?m going to have to go to the hospital on Friday for a ?presentation check?. When I asked what this involved, all she said was that they?ll try & turn the baby and NOT TO WORRY ABOUT IT. How the hell fuck am I not supposed to worry about it? This is my first child, I?ve not had any antenatal classes & she is well aware of this and she?s been about as helpful as a chocolate fucking teapot throughout this pregnancy. She?s never volunteered ANY information, I?ve always asked questions for it.

Does anyone know what I should expect? I would have thought they?d allow another week to be concerned about this, I?m only 37+3.

I?m panicking, I?m crying and my DH is away on a course today so can?t speak to him either. Any thoughts/advice ladies?

Sorry again for being self-involved

Hi all, sorry that so many have had such a crap night's sleep.

Totally agree Kyyria, at least when we are no longer pregnant we can lounge and slouch on the sofa when we can't sleep, without having to sit bolt upright due to reflux and optimum baby positioning, and elevate legs in case of varicose veins or swelling. but unable to both at once due to a massive great ball in your belly
I will also be able to find a comfortable, relaxed position in which to read in bed, something I really miss at the moment. Although I shouldn't complain so much as I'm not sleeping too badly, except for the peeing. If I never pee again, it'll be too soon.

Yomping, the bump paintings are great. You look fab too! I bet you both had a lot of fun doing it.

Thanks for the feedback about showers everyone. The smell thing makes sense Beeble.
I met the midwife today and from what I can gather, it may also be a way to monitor blood loss a bit? I will be checked by the doc the day after birth, then once I get the go ahead, I can shower. Decided I couldn't be bothered to argue the point. I'm not the one who has to wash the sheets.

I gave the doc and midwife my birthplan today, which included not wanting to stay for 7 days, and they were fine about it. No tutting! They've had foreigners before, and say they often don't want to stay that long. My MIL who was with me at the time, however, has different opinions. But she's doesn't need to know until it's a done deal.
Saw the rooms too, and they're admittedly very nice, so I'll just play it by ear.

Will definitely take advantage of any help/experience while I'm there though, Livvy, especially with things like breast feeding - I know nothing!

Yes, MIL is Japanese Huffle. I suppose we get on OK, considering or because she doesnt speak any English and my Japanese isn't great . I try to make an effort with her, as I have no other family here, and she's divorced and never remarried. We're very different, but she's kind and generous.

Thanks Smorgs, hopefully DH will come home with bags of dried apricots in preparation for the inevitable post-birth constipation. What a lovely souvenir. But hopefully he'll also come back with another bottle of Bordeaux. We've got quite a stash now, (third time he's been this year) ready for post-birth celebrations.
Also, found out today that even if I stay in hospital for the full 7 days, I don't need to pack anything for baby as they provide all clothes, nappies etc. They also supply my maternity pads, and nightgowns and stuff if I want. Isn't that great? Shame I bought shed loads before I read that bit.
And yes, baby doesn't get bathed for 5 days (I think) here. We shall have to wait that bit longer for the lovely baby smell

Bella I hope your son has a great party, you're a trooper!
I will check out Kate Rusby, thanks.

at "vagina music" LondonMrs.

Had my weekly check today, and baby is now average sized . But anyway, no need to worry about getting him/her out early now. In fact, there is no sign that baby has moved down and cervix well and truly closed, so may well be headed the other way - towards induction.

Loopy

I can understand it's quite a shock but please do try not to worry. As far as I know, at a presentation check they scan you, to work out exactly how the baby is lying and then they try to turn the baby - using hands on your stomach - more info on here:
NHS Info on turning

In the meantime, you can do a fair bit with your posture & movements etc to encourage the baby to turn (no guarantees, of course, but worth a try, I think). Lots of info on how to encourage the baby to turn round here www.spinningbabies.com/

I think it's easier to turn the baby whilst they are slightly smaller - hence doing this at 37 weeks rather than 39.

Chin up - it'll be fine. xx

Sorry Loopy, cross-posted. (it takes me about half an hour to write one of my epics )

I don't really know anything either, but I'm afraid that I've heard the turning thing isn't too pleasant, and often people decline to have it done. If she's talking about the same thing.
There are other options though, (moxi-something?) which I'm sure someone more informed will tell you about shortly. And I would think that at 37 weeks you'd still have time for the baby to turn of its own accord, with you on all fours, doing certain yoga positions etc.

I know it's easy for me to say, but try to calm down. Hugs and

Hey loopy - not surprised you're feeling a bit scared. londonlivvy has got it spot on with what she's said - it s all hands on the tummy from the outside.

Sending lots of hugs and - I would go for turning over a c-section any time. Bit like londonlivvy says, there are plenty of things you can do to get baby to turn on your own.

Try not to panic (easier said than done) - Friday won't be invasive but it'll give them a better idea of what they can do to make the birth best for both of you x

Sorry, yes. What I said was not well-informed or helpful at all.
LondonLivvy's links are really good.

loopy nipping on to offer you a virtual ((hug)). Do a bit of research on ECV (something cephalic version) - there are risks involved and it's worth knowing what those are. There's info here on the mumsnet boards about it so maybe do a search.

for you, poor you xx

Hey Loopy , you poor thing, that is a shock. I agree you need to do some googling, altho maybe no further than MN as might get way too much info overload. I only know they will try it once only as there are some risks involved. So you need to be well informed. My only experience was my SIL who had it done. Was v uncomfy. Baby DID turn but within 5 mins was right back round again. She was booked for ELCS. Turns out baby had q short cord and thus not really room to be turned comfortably.

As for what you can do yourself, i cannot rememebr if you do yoga?? The spinning babies site is good but gets me really confused...... I kniw several people who have turned bubs with yoga. Main thing is lots of time on all fours when baby moving. Specific advice was to put your forearms on floor and lean head right down on to arms or floor. I was doing his a fair bit when baby was flipping back to back. Can be uncomfy, but not hard. 5 mins, several times a day. Cannot do any harm to try.

Am sure the scan will be producive and helpful and may not even be breech at all!! And you hav few weeks fo go yet, plenty time to move. Xx

Loopy, sounds like they are suggesting an External Cephalic Version. One of my NCT group has just had one of these, I'm seeing her tomorrow so I'll let you know how it went. What I do know is that she was told not to eat or drink anything from 8am that morning (ECV booked for around 1pm) and she was told they would put a drip in (to administer a drug that relaxes the uterus). It's a hands-on procedure where they try to turn the baby manually. I'm not 100% sure but I think the no eating or drinking may be so that the baby has as much room as possible to turn, if the stomach and bladder are empty. There is a small risk to the cord or placenta but the procedure is usually done combined with an ultrasound so they can see what is going on.

Breech babies at 37 weeks are not uncommon (I think about 1 in 20) and babies can turn right up till the start of labour and sometimes even during.

If it is still breech later on, you can ask to try labour (this is known as "trial of labour" and is still an option if the baby is in certain positions - there are a few different types of breech) or a c-section may be suggested.

Cherry was mentioning moxi-something - I think this is moxibustion which is an acupuncture thing where a practitioner burns a herb by your toe and it is meant to stimulate a pressure point that encourages the baby to turn. More info here. My NCT buddy tried this and said that once you have been shown how to do it you can do it again yourself at home, which is cool - didn't work for her but does seem to work for some people.

The biggest thing, and I know this is easy to say and hard to do, is try not to worry. There's not a great deal you can do apart from wait and see, and what will be will be. Your baby will be born by one means or another and the method doesn't really matter so long as the outcome is a healthy baby. Sending you hugs xxx

Kyyria, hurray, we can be fuck you pregnancy twins!!! Know what you mean, babies seems to be popping out everywhere, a work colleague just had her second and I swear she was due 2 weeks after me . Another reason pregnancy can fuck off today is that I have so far dropped greasy food on my (just washed, white) top AND on the sofa, in fact I am so clumsy today I can barely hold anything without dropping it, and (TMI) I went into town and while I was walking around, baby decided to headbut my bladder and a bit of wee came out . I fantasised for about 30 seconds that it was my waters breaking but no, it was just me weeing myself a bit. The glamour of pregnancy continues!

Beeble, I wanted a death star next but DH reckoned he would leave that for another day!

Here's the list, it's all gone a bit quiet on the baby front, perhaps if we post the list again more babies will be born, it seemed to work like that a week ago! Wonder whether there's any news from the early October peeps who don't post often. Assume Midget didn't get induced today?

Due Dates:

Oct. 1: Gigglewhizz DC1(?), Firstbubba DC1 by planned induction,
Oct. 3: Springersmum DC2 (?)
Oct. 4: Katla
Oct. 5: Celestia twins DS1 & DD2 by ELCS
Oct. 7: Violetlights DC1
Oct. 10: MidgetM DC2 if induced
Oct. 11: OnOfMyTurnsComingOn DC3 by VBAC
Oct. 12: Lizzietow DD2, YompingJo DC1, OctoberOctober DC2 (?)
Oct. 14: Hufflepuffle DC1
Oct. 17: Smorgs DC1
Oct. 18: Bella2012 DC2, Beccus DC1
Oct. 19: Shellwedance DC1, Willowtree DC1 by ELCS
Oct. 20: Beeblebear DC1, MidgetM if ELCS DC2
Oct. 21: Dosomethingmutley DC1
Oct. 26: Londonmrss DC1, Zara1984 DS1, Liege07 DS1
Oct. 28: Kyyria DC1, Loopyla DC1
Oct. 30: Cherrychopsticks DC1
Nov. 1: Londonlivvy DC1
Nov. 8: MickeytheShortOne DC1

Real live babies :

Sept. 20: Velo - Max 2.35kg
Sept. 24: Lisbethspposite, Paul 6lb 11oz
Sept. 25: Angelico ? DD Mini Angelico, CWest30 - Naomi Louise, 4lb 10oz
Sept. 26: Elpis ? DS 3.2kg
Sept. 30: Squidkid ? Jess, 6lb 14
Oct. 1: WantAnOrange ? Artemis Lily 7lbs 2oz, MrsConfusion ? DD 7lb 0.75oz
Oct. 2: Planktonette ? DS Planktonini
Oct. 3: FjordMor ? Ida 8lb 3oz
Oct. 4: Crazypaving ? DS 8lb 3oz, Smileyhappymummy ? Melissa Rose 3kg, Milk DS

yomping there was a theory that someone told me (maybe even on here?) that babies are more likely to arrive around the time of the full moon. This would explain our rush of bambinos around the beginning of the month (it was Sep 29th). And means we may all have to sit tight a bit longer til the next one. I can't imagine that there's much scientific basis to this but hey, it's a fun bit of speculation!

... 29th October. Gulp. Can't wait that long to give birth!

Loopy, I would be upset too. Has baby been head down until now? The midwife could easily be wrong (I would have thought if baby had flipped, you would have noticed!). Ultimately, it's better that they notice now and scan you- then you can be sure of what to do.
Also agree that ecv is a decision to be made rather than something I would automatically enter into. It's about what you feel comfortable with, so do your research. The question is mostly about what is going to be the most safe option for you and your baby. In the meantime, try and go for a swim as this can open everything up and give them as must space as possible to turn.
This is a really annoying thing to say, but it helps me sometimes to tell myself that there's no point worrying about it- it doesn't help (if you want to shout fuck off at that comment, totally fair enough- it just sometimes helps me to remember that).
I'm starting to find hypnobollocks most trouble than it's worth. It seems to make me less relaxed.
Yomping love love love your bump paintings!
Smorgs, whenever you say anything about your fella, I wonder if we are actually married to the same man...?
I've decided that I'm going to go into labour on Friday. I will only be 38 weeks, but if it starts Friday night, we won't have to worry about parking at the birth centre over the weekend... and frankly I'm just ready for it to happen. Of course, she still isn't showing any signs of coming any time soon- no braxton hicks, no show, no nothing. Clearly it won't happen, I just thought she might respond well to having a deadline.
My fingers have got a bit fat this week and my wedding ring is stuck.

Out of jealousy of your bump paintings, I just used an eyeliner to draw a smiley face on my bump. It looks a bit poo to be honest.

Laughing at the eyeliner bump decorating.......!!!! If I draw anything looks like an un talented 6 yr old has been bored...... So admire artistic people!!!! Now I can MAKE things, just not bloody draw or paint....

Talking about identical husbands, Yomping my DH also stashes a collection of those stick on dish brushes in Ikea and places them around the store (and always tries to stick one to his forehead) Cross po-faced me just tells him to behave himself. Oh I am going to be the cross parent in the family.......!

Hey girls

Thank you all for your support & excellent advice. It might be a bit ?locking the door after the horse as bolted? or whatever that stupid saying is but after a wee cry or two, I spent the afternoon watching a film, exercising playing on my birthing ball & researching my options. I then pottered about in the nursery as it?s become somewhat of a dumping ground and it made me feel closer to the baby, instead of cross & slightly resentful. I then got to the stage of, as Yomping said, Your baby will be born by one means or another and the method doesn't really matter so long as the outcome is a healthy baby

So feeling calmer now . Thanks again, we?re all allowed a massivewee meltdown aren?t we, now & again?

Also, love the belly pics Yomping, totally made me what a clever man you have!

Oh yeah and definitely 'fuck you' pregnancy - I feel calmer but I'm not totally Zen, lol!!

Hey Loopy - I'm glad you are feeling better re baby, MW didn't sound helpful at all.

I'm still waiting... now 6 days overdue... Getting tired of waiting, just want to get on with it, tried walking, stairs, pineapple, sex, hot baths etc and today the MW did a sweep. This wasn't as bad as I thought it might be according to some other threads on mumsnet, will just have to see if it's going to do anything. She did also say sex 3 times in 24 hours was a virtual guarantee to get things going so DH has stepped up to the mark to do his duty (!!) - still got another two sessions to endure go, really not in the mood!!

I'm typing this on phone so sorry not to name check everyone, some of you do so well but I enjoy hearing your stories and news.

NAOMI IS HOME!!!!

And on DS 5TH birthday too. Never been so happy!!!! Will update later, almost feeding time. Love to all xxx

Hope we all get a good night's sleep!
Really pleased for you cwest! Hope little Naomi likes being at home!

YAWN!! Loopy, i am also bad at resting - my mate from Australia managed to squeeze in 2 days in london, and we have had a lovey time lunching, shopping, and hanging out over the last 2 days, but i am BEYOND shattered. Baby feeling super low but i am not ready - please stay in until next week, little one. Enjoyed reading everyones' posts, but too tired to take in alot. loopy, my midwife was also unsure which way my bubs was, which was scary - am sorry they r making u wait until fri for your scan - it's un-nerving not knowing. Hope yours is the right way down, too.

So, we have a mouse issue in the mummy and baby sanctuary, aka our bedroom. DP up x 3 last nite trying to catch the little f@cker. Will be most unimpressed if it makes an appearance again tonite - hopefully it will just get safely caught in a humane mouse trap.

lovely to hear encouragement from squid, hang in there, kyrria - please try and get some afternoon nap time, and yomping, and everyone else struggling at the moment. Time to catch some zzz's, hope the sleep fairy takes care of us all tonite

Cwest - that is excellent news, what great timing with DS's birthday!

Feeling resigned to another sleepless night but won't be able to catch up tomorrow as DS at home and got a playdate - chaos!

Hi all patient baby-waiters. Finally a few minutes to check in with MN. I guess I should be on the post-grad thread but I haven?t made it yet.

Welcome home to CWest and Naomi! :) Fantastic news!

All trucks along at home with me & baby Fjord (and DP who is on paternity leave that I?m hoping he?ll extend beyond the end of this week as I?m not coping).

loopyla - I like to think I have a well developed sense of irony (ie. I?ve never felt less sexy ). Sadly my boobs have stopped being so hot and heavy and my supply seems to be dwindling. I?m giving myself 2 days of pumping and a visit from a lactation specialist but I fear if something doesn?t give, I may have lost the battle to breastfeed, which is making me feel very shit.

Having massive breastfeeding problems. Thought it was colic but it turns out that it?s baby being incredibly hungry and having massive tantrums. She was found to have lost weight at the health visit today. I?m having to stick her on the breast she?s getting nothing out of, put up with her frustration and hitting me, pump between every bi/tri-hourly breast ?session? and supplement with formula. I?m surviving on about 1.5 hours sleep in each 24 hour period and my C-section scar is still causing me a lot of pain. Sorry to moan ? but that?s where I?m at. Baby Fjord is wonderful I just feel like I?m failing her big time at the moment (back on formula supplementation today she is back to her adorable, zen self). Also a bit pissed off with MIL who wants to invite herself round to cuddle her every day but isn?t offering any practical support (ie. Meals/shopping/household help/anything that might really help at all).

bella - hope the cold is better soon

lisbeth - yes (LOL) 15cm was a misprint ? more a ?mind-typo? ? she was 50cm but I ?said? it wrong in my head whilst typing, IYSWIM. What they call in translation ?nursing fog? over here is, IMHO, worse than ?baby brain?. Or perhaps it?s just compounded with severe sleep deprivation? My brain is scrambling to function in anything resembling a normal way!

Would like to add to what others have already said on here in saying how important to me and supportive you have all been. I was so glad I found this thread and that we went through so many of the stages together. The strange thing was, even during labour, I was thinking about so many of you and wondering about your experiences. I even dreamed about some of you when on the post-natal ward!

I feel like a bit of a fraud still being on this thread as I feel I have so little of use to say to those still waiting to give birth (ie. my birth story is not helpful or inspirational and my first week post natally has been tough too). A few asked me for my birth story but I think I?m going to post it on the post-natal thread if I do at all. I know many who had positive induction stories in the last few weeks ? sadly, after expecting a positive induction, mine really was not. Ironically, I experienced EMCS as relatively positive. My particular situation was quite unique and I don?t want to put anybody off induction.

Will keep checking this thread though?hanging out for all your news. Waiting for news from Midget?