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Finding a record for a Stillbirth

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curioussister · 20/05/2010 17:47

sorry not sure where to post this.

i have a sibling who was stillborn in 1983

that is all i know

how would i/can i find out more?

asking parents a no no.

thanks.

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WhyMeWhyNot · 20/05/2010 18:15

Try phoning the registry of births, deaths and marriages in the area concerned.Hope you find what you want.

Butterball · 20/05/2010 18:18

I think the SANDS forum has a section about how to go about finding details from long ago.
There's also a section there for siblings to post which you might 'like' if you need to talk about things with people that understand.

cat64 · 20/05/2010 18:55

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FourLittleDucks · 20/05/2010 19:06

If a baby is born alive, and survives even just a short time (my own daughter lived only an hour) then a birth and death certificate has to be issued by the registrar. As far as I'm aware there isn't such an official document for stillbirth (although I may be wrong). I think in recent times they produce some kind of certification, but I imagine in decades passed they didn't do that.
That is no help at all ! but somewhere there must be hospital records which might shed light on any details. I'd phone the hospital and ask to speak to the records dept.

Shoshe · 20/05/2010 19:14

I never received anything for my stillborn in 1981, but there is a record of his burial in the book of records at the ceremony.

It just says : Stillborn Child (m) of Shoshe.

You could try looking at local cemeteries.

Butterball · 20/05/2010 19:53

Found this on SANDS (you have to register to read the forums and not sure if you want to do that) -

Tracing a baby?s grave can be a difficult task. It takes courage to start a search of this nature and it ought to be stressed that the results can often be frustrated by lack of records or insufficient details.
It?s also worth noting that in many cases babies were, and still are, buried in a shared grave with other babies. In other cases babies were buried with another adult (usually a woman). The graves are usually unmarked, though they do have a plot number.

Through the Hospital
The Hospital Administrator at the local hospital where the baby was delivered should be contacted first. They will need to know:
? the full name and address of the mother
? the date of delivery, and
? any other relevant information (eg the approximate date of the funeral, did the hospital arrange the funeral? Information of this nature)
The administrator should then be able to tell you where the baby is buried and/or the name of the funeral directors who handled the hospitals? burials at that time.

The funeral directors would be able to tell you which cemetery/crematorium they used. You can then have a search carried out or ask to see the cemetery/crematorium register.

Most hospitals contracted one funeral director. If you cannot find out which company they used you will then need to work your way through all the funeral directors in the relevant area.

Through the Local Council
Hospital records are rarely kept for more than ten years, so you may not be able to follow the above guidelines. The next place to look therefore is the local council cemetery and crematoria department for the area where the baby died or was stillborn. A register is maintained here. The head of this department is usually called the Superintendent Registrar.

The public are legally permitted to inspect burial registers, but do not have an automatic right to personally inspect cremation registers. However, a search can be made on your behalf if the following information is provided:
? the baby?s surname, and
? the date of death or stillbirth

cat64 · 20/05/2010 23:30

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bubblerock · 20/05/2010 23:32

Surely there would be a birth certificate though?

Butterball · 20/05/2010 23:48

No, no, no. Back when your mum lost her DD2 it was just expected that you got on with things and never mentioned it again but now it's different and you should talk about your sister you lost and find out about her if that's what you need. I'm sure your mum would have talked about her if things had been different so don't feel like you should just leave it as I'm sure your mum would actually be glad to know you still think of your sister.

Obviously I don't know your mum and how she felt but my DS2 was stillborn and I thank God things are so different nowadays and that I can bring my DS1 and DS3 up knowing all about their brother and that we still love him and think about him. I bet your mum thought about your sister every day too.

It must be really hard to have questions and feel like you might never get answers.

Tangle · 21/05/2010 00:00

According to this, there has been an official register of StillBirths since 1927 - but it doesn't say whether the cutoff between a late miscarriage and a stillbirth has moved (it's currently "a baby born after 24 weeks gestation that shows no signs of life"). At the moment there is a legal obligation to register a stillbirth. There is no requirement to register a baby that is miscarried.

I would try your local register office. The Registrar should be able to tell you what legislation was in place in the early 1980's, and advise you on the best way forward.

Whether or not to look into it will be a very personal decision. I know times have changed a lot in terms of how parents are supported after a stillbirth. You Mum may need to never speak of it, but you and your sister may have an equally valid need to find out a few more details. It must be an incredibly hard decision - and I'm so sorry its one you need to consider

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bubblerock · 21/05/2010 08:23

So I wouldn't be able to just search birth or death certs to find the record?

Tangle · 21/05/2010 09:22

Bubblerock - I think you'd need to talk to the registrar. You do get issued with a certificate when you register a stillbirth, but its covers both the birth and the death in one. I don't know how it fits into the official records structure, if you see what I mean, but it should be there somewhere.

I think it must be incredibly hard for women who had a stillbirth in the days when you were supposed to just move on and not talk about it - having lived like that for for so long it's unlikely to be easy to start becoming more open. I know some women do, as one of my MWs commented that one of her previous clients had got back in contact to try and find more details of a stillbirth she'd had 40 years ago - and they did manage to track down some information. But that was the mother's choice...

bubblerock · 21/05/2010 10:57

Hmm, out of interest I searched as I knew my grandmother had one stillbirth and just managed to find the birth & death record - this was in the 40's. I wonder if the baby was actually alive then died within minutes/hours (death age was 0). If anyone wants me to check any info of theirs for a birth/death cert just let me know.

curioussister · 21/05/2010 11:41

thank you so much for all of this - it is so so helpful and has told me more than half hearted googling ever did.

i do not live where the baby would have been born and have a choice of prob 4 possibilities of hospital locality, despite knowing the address we lived at the time. i know the month the baby was born and the year but not the day. i am fairly certain that the baby was fullterm and also that it was incinerated i don't think there was any sort of "official" cremation or ceremony so don't know if there would be any sort of record like that?

is this enough to go on?

thank you everyone who has shared their stories to help, this is such a personal thing and i appreciate it so, so much

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Tangle · 21/05/2010 12:23

Having a month would be a pretty good start. If you can find the birth/death certificate then that should have a place of birth on it - which would then let you know what hospital you needed to talk to. The hospital should have made a record of what happened, although I don't know how long it will have been kept for.

I do think the Registrar is your best starting point.

bubblerock · 21/05/2010 13:22

Email me what you have and I'll see if I can find it bubblerockjl 2 @aol.com (only if you want to obviously )

curioussister · 21/05/2010 16:33

would you mind if i did email you bubble?

have been thinking about it all day and it would prob be better if someone who had a vague idea of what they were doing had a go...would that be ok?

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bubblerock · 21/05/2010 16:44

You have email!

curioussister · 21/05/2010 16:46

thank you will send now

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bubblerock · 21/05/2010 16:58

oops, I meant Cat64 you have email, lol but have replied to curioussister too (It looked like I replied before you even sent it!! )

Shoshe · 21/05/2010 21:50

I have a birth and death certificate for my son who lived two days in 1980, and my daughter in 1991. I had to register their births and deaths myself.

but I definitely have nothing for my stillborn son born in 1981, and was never told anything about it being on any register.

I have searched online and it does not come up.

nickschick · 21/05/2010 21:57

Shoshe I know its not consolation but you talking about him and just knowing he 'was' is recognition and a memorial of a life lost too soon.

im sorry x

Shoshe · 21/05/2010 21:59

Nick all three children are buried together, they are all remembered.

nickschick · 21/05/2010 22:01

Jesus Shoshe I am an ignorant cow.

I didnt mean to negate the other 2 babies- im so sorry.