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Concealing a suicide

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Lucidas · 20/09/2021 18:28

My husband’s father had just taken his own life. The immediate family who live in close proximity to him want to conceal the event from all other family members and friends - even his siblings who live in other cities and countries.

Is this right? Is it even possible with how things work in the UK, eg post-mortem, inquest?

They’ve already started telling everyone he died due to a heart attack.

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SpeedRunParent · 20/09/2021 18:36

I'm so sorry for your loss, Lucidas, what an awful situation for you to be in.
People can be very strange when it comes to mental health issues and suicide is riven with such complicated emotions.
I don't think it is right to lie about the circumstances of the death in this way, most definitely not to close relatives. However, I don't think there is much you can / should do about the misinformation right now, when the loss is so recent. Perhaps in time, your DH might be able to discuss the circumstances more openly but to contradict them now could cause a hideous family rift.

Seeleyboo · 20/09/2021 18:36

It will be noted on the death certificate as suicide.

madmumofteens · 20/09/2021 18:42

It was many years before I found out my DF had taken his own life having been brought up as a catholic it was deemed a mortal sin I was 19 and my younger brothers were told he had a brain haemorrhage took me years to get my head around not being told the truth 💐 sorry to hear of your loss OP

Ughmaybenot · 20/09/2021 18:44

I’m so sorry.
It will be recorded officially as a suicide, but not many people see the paperwork so there’s little chance of it ‘getting out’ that way.
Suicide and poor mental health, sadly, are still considered taboo by some people. It’s absolutely tragic that it is, as it just pushes it further underground for those who may be suffering, but it’s true.
I don’t know what the answer really is, what can be done, but I understand that it feels so wrong to lie about this.

CouldBeWrong · 20/09/2021 18:47

My grandparent took their own life. Several of my cousins were told they'd had a heart attack. This was more than 10 years ago and I believe the still don't know the truth.

OrangeTortoise · 20/09/2021 18:49

What does your DH think, OP? Is he happy to go along with this?

freelions · 20/09/2021 18:52

I can understand why some family may wish not to reveal the cause of death but I would assume there will be an inquest at some point in which case a summary of the findings may be published in local news

RedMarauder · 20/09/2021 18:53

Death certificates are easy to obtain -www.gov.uk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certificate

Also the siblings do need to know as it is part of their family medical history.

Sorry for your loss btw

RedMarauder · 20/09/2021 18:56

@CouldBeWrong so your cousins think they have a family history of heart disease.

While most people do not everyone does which is why you shouldn't lie about death from medical conditions. Probably better to say it was some sort of accident.

dworky · 20/09/2021 18:57

This will be due to religion.

Becca19962014 · 20/09/2021 19:01

There's a big taboo about it.

My godmother who ended her life her family were so ashamed by her that they refused to announce her death, removed anything to do with her death on our church Facebook/any church notices (someone tried to launch a charity in her memory and let people know of her death and service all blocked) and they demanded people were told she had "just" died of cancer (which she was in remission from) - they demanded everyone dressed up in bright summery clothing, bright hymns as well for her service. I know many felt it was a lovely thing to do but it just felt off to me consequently I didn't go to the service and after one of her family had a go at me and told me to be ashamed of myself; I didn't didn't behave well at that point as I was furious with their lies.

She had battled (that was the word she used) severe depression for decades, alone, due to her family's attitude of it just being a case of effort and their bullying.

The inquest published in the paper five months later explained in detail what had happened (they're not supposed to publish all details but did), and it caused a lot of hurt for many people when it came out. I think her family thought that because they have a very common surname and her first name was very common too no one would know it as her.

There have been suicides in my family too and they behaved the same way.

LublinToDublin · 20/09/2021 19:01

So sorry for your family's loss.

Who are the immediate family members? And how close is your dh to them (emotionally)?

Was it one of these relations who gave your dh the awful news and told him the truth?

It may be that they are still processing it all and may realise its an unrealistic aim, and ultimately not helpful. They just may need some time? Is your dh able to talk with them?

Becca19962014 · 20/09/2021 19:02

My family have no religious beliefs at all nor did my godmothers family so it had nothing to do with religion, just shame regarding mental health and someone being so weak as to end their lives.

LynetteScavo · 20/09/2021 19:11

I've never seen the death certificate of close relatives, so I'm sure it's possible to keep a suicide from close family members.

In DHs extended family someone's wife died of cancer, so we've been told although FIL insists it was suicide. It makes no difference to us, and if the spouse chooses to tell people she had cancer, or accidentally fell of a skyscraper that's up to them and I think it would be awful to question it.

And yes, I suspect this is more likely to happen in traditionally religious families.

SickAndTiredAgain · 20/09/2021 19:12

Sorry for your loss.

As someone who has lost a family member to suicide, I think lying about it is awful.

2bazookas · 20/09/2021 19:16

They are in shock and (literally) denial. Later will come guilt, anger, blame. All this is a common aftermath of suicide. . All you can do for them is listen and let them keep talking, say whatever they need to.

Yes, there will be an inquest and very likely a PM, depending on circumstances there may be a press report. So its very likely the truth will come out .No need to try to persuade them not to cover up; let it unfold by itself..

There are some helpful resources for the survivors of suicide, you'll find more on line.

saraclara · 20/09/2021 19:44

Your DH has to tell them clearly, that the truth WILL come out. It's impossible to hide these days. Especially as people are into ancestry and finding birth and death certificates.

It will be far harder for them if family members find out later, and discover that they've been lied to.

Co-incidentally, I've just found out that something I was told 30 years ago (and which has been talked about often since) about a family member, was a complete lie.
My relationship with the parent who told me this lie is now effectively over.

Your DH's family stand to lose other family members in a different way, if they continue with this lie.
I know they're distraught, but even so, the possible results of their action need spelling out to them.

Username112233 · 20/09/2021 21:07

The exact same things happened to me. My dad commited suicide in December (aged 67) and our close family know. It was hard to hide as the police put an appeal out on social media and it was shared thousands of times as he went missing prior to being found.

My mum doesn't want people to know out with the family as she blames herself.

Personally I tell people if they ask but tell them not to mention anything to mum about it.

Regarding the death certificate, it doesn't show as suicide. Dads was multiple organ failure and it was changed after the post mortem but the word suicide is never mentioned on a death certificate.

Sending you lots of love OP. There's no pain like it

Lucidas · 20/09/2021 21:17

Thank you all for your words. It’s horrible, no words to describe what everyone is feeling. You can get your head around the death itself, but then remembering the second bit - how he died - makes it unbearable.

My mother-in-law is the main one who is intent on concealing it from his siblings. A mix of things I guess, to do with what others will think: feelings of shame, fear guilt, unwilling to face the endless questions, presuppositions, even accusations that might be directed at her. Wanting to preserve his memory in everyone’s minds as the peaceful and very pious man. Cultural and to some extent religious stigma.

Others have different motivations: my sister in law wants to keep it from her teenage son, who has suffered from mental health issues in the last year, spoken about self-harm before, had counselling.

And once you tell a few people in that community, it spreads like wildfire. Very hard to contain.

My husband has mixed views. In one sense we agree that this stigma around suicide has to be broken down. That there is a way to have honest and healing conversations around it. That there’s a dire need for faith leaders in our community to have training on suicide prevention. Things like that.

But he’s unsure about the extent to which those conversations can actually be had- without running the risk of sensationalising, romanticising, lambasting what happened, or any other unhelpful response,

It’s a shit situation. And to me it seems like every person you let into this situation - who knew him - will now also experience the ripples of this event. Feel somehow implicated. Shouldn’t they be spared that knowledge?

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saraclara · 20/09/2021 21:25

I imagine that in some cultures it must be even harder. And I do see that there could be much more temptation to hide it if MIL knows that the fallout will be harsher than most of us here would have to deal with.

I think that makes it harder for us to advise, really. I'm just so sorry that you're all having to deal with this.

drpet49 · 20/09/2021 21:25

* My mother-in-law is the main one who is intent on concealing it from his siblings.*

^She has no right to do this. Very cruel of her.

LynetteScavo · 20/09/2021 21:37

@drpet49 I disagree it's cruel
If the MIL, I think she's probably trying to protect others, as well as herself.

She's already feeling unbearable pain, as the OP mentions.

 I'm so sorry your family are going through this @Lucidas

Driftingblue · 20/09/2021 21:50

Very few people will seek out official documents. Covering up suicide or drug overdose is really common and it’s not always about religion. People just don’t want the focus to be on how the person died. I personally think the strategy doesn’t work because being coy about the cause of death, especially in someone who died young, is like turning on a giant flashing sign that says it was either suicide or drugs .

Few people seem to resort to outright lying which I suppose probably does a better job of covering. It will probably only work if the deceased was old enough for a heart attack to be statistically likely. Otherwise, people are going to start asking questions.

This will especially be true of family members who may want to follow-up with personal doctors about any health conditions that might run in the family. They will want to know if the same thing that killed him young might be something they need to address.

Moonface123 · 20/09/2021 22:11

I am so sorry for your loss.
I think sadly there is a stigma regarding suicide. I have read people who lose family members to suicide, drugs or alcohol feel they don't receive the same kind of support, understanding or sympathy.
There could be various reasons as to why your MIL doesn't want to disclose the cause of death, l would imagine she in in deep shock, like you all are.

RainAndGreyClouds · 21/09/2021 20:56

It's important relatives know. I work with people at risk of suicide. A client having a family member who has completed suicide is a big risk factor for their own suicide, and a big red flag to professionals that the client is also at risk of suicide. If the family don't know there has been a suicide in the family, they won't be able to tell anyone and if they themself seek mental health support in the future, they will not tell professionals working with them about this big risk factor for their own likelihood of suicide. Professionals knowing the family history could be the one thing they need to know to prevent another death.

The family do need to know. It could save their life. Let your mil and sil know that telling the other family members might prevent their death by suicide in the future.

Hugs to you and so sorry to your family. Hope you will all be ok x Flowers Suicide is extremely difficult to come to terms with and I send my best wishes and big hug to your husband and family Flowers

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