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Tantrums....please help!!!

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MMG · 10/08/2005 12:03

My little by is 15months, very active, quite forward and is into everything. generally he is a good and very loving but he has his moments especially if he is tired, teething or wants something i won`t let him have or do. How and what is the best way to deal with it?????

also has tanrums when he wants to get out the highchair, getting cleaned up and nappy changing

:-(

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matnanplus · 10/08/2005 12:23

Use a firm but not loud voice, explaining the reason for him doing or not doing the 'issue' at that moment, prepare him for being cleaned up, encourage him to help you, distract him. Don't say 'no' lots then at the continued tantrum give in as all he learns is the more he goes for it there is a chance he will get x.

Just say no and turn away, when he has a moment of calm/quiet praise him and grab his attention, if he starts up again ignore him until he calms, he will quickly get the message that all that noise acheives nothing and he gets no attention, they will accept negative attention as easily as positive attention.

MMG · 10/08/2005 12:41

thanks matnanplus i will put it into practice, its gets harder at this age

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fqueenzebra · 11/08/2005 05:59

ignore, prevent him for hurting himself, distract if it's getting on your nerves. Whatever you do, don't let him get what he wants by throwing a tantrum. Physically picking them up and putting them somewhere else can be a good distraction.

KiwiKate · 11/08/2005 06:27

All the advice given here is excellent. I've used it very successfully with my DS (now 2.3yo).

As they get older it is also useful to give them a choice. eg you want them to put on a jersey. The choice is not whether they do it or not, but they can choose if they want the red one or the blue one. So it gives them some kind of sense of control. Of course, they'll say they don't want either. Just stay calm and tell them that is not an option, and follow through with what you said would happen.

Most important. Be consistent. No must mean no EVERY time. Otherwise they will escalate matters because they know that at least some of the time they can get their way.

Stay calm. If they know they are getting to you then they push even more!

Also, you can distract them by the next thing. eg "when we've finished cleaning you up we can [something they like eg. play with your cars], but I need your help to get it done". Or distract them by letting them choose which clothes to wear while you give them a wipe down.

I also found my ds was much better behaived when he knew what was going to happen next. So I would tell him in advance when we were about to do something he didn't particularly like. There was no debate about it, but just letting him know (even when he said he didn't want to) did seem to help. I also tell my ds that he still has to do [whatever it is that he doesn't want to] even when he is tired or not feeling well (having said that I try and avoid eg shopping when he is tired, because they are still little and if it is possible to avoid a stressful situation, why not?)

Best advice: do not "reward" bad behaviour. Don't let a tantrum EVERN be followed by a treat (they will then just throw more and bigger tantrums). Praise good behaviour and follow good behaviour by a treat (could be as simple as a hug, or a word of praise or whatever).

MMG · 11/08/2005 13:53

thanks everyone the advice is appreciated, sometimes i find it hard to be consistant which i really need to work on :-))

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alfiemama · 11/08/2005 15:39

Hi everybody Im new to this but would like your help with this one.
My dd is 14 month old and throwing the most horrendous tantrums, ie throwing himself back in cot and playpen so that he hurts himself, biting, pulling hair and nipping. I do tell him off and sit him away from me but this results in a full blown tantrum resulting in him hurting himself even more. People tell you to ignore them but how long for. Is he doing this for attention. also he is getting really fussy at` eating which results in me making him things that I know he will eat, any advice as I really want him to eat healthier. He will eat veg ( a little if in the mood, but no fruit I have had to result in giving him smoothies.

Littlestarsweeper · 11/08/2005 16:00

If you have a play pen or travel cot put in there and let him have it out with himself. Its good for him to let it out, you know he is safe and walk away till he is all tantrumed out.

matnanplus · 11/08/2005 18:32

I am considered mean in that i will prepare a plate of vegs/chopped chicken, just a few bits of several vegs so 2 carrot batons chopped into 4 bits, 1 small cauli/broc floret cut into 4, 6 peas/corn and that's first course.

Pudding is a quater apple/pear/peach lightly cooked to soften [micro/steam] and quater banana thats that.

You eat, great you don't well you will next time.

Have to say i tend to feed every 2 hours, meals and alternating snacks so next oppertunity never to far away for them to eat.

Snacks would be cheese,bread stix, fruit, veg no crisps, biscuits, chocolate.

Plenty of water or well diluted fruit juice and a pint of milk each day.

Introduce a new food to an existing plate a very small bit at a time and only 1 new food a time and a day btw offers.

Kjaysmum · 11/08/2005 20:23

I am having same problems MMG, with my 15 month old, almost to the letter. maybe I should take up yoga, may help me be more consistant if I stay more calm!! Good luck hey. dd has trouble in waking up he gets very upset and cries and won't be comforted, arching back etc, so we have found an afternoon wake up routine where we sit together on the sofa of a bottle of rooibos tea with soya milk and a health food shop biscuit, works a treat, Matnanplus, do you think this is going down the "wrong treat" road ie no biscuits?

nightowl · 11/08/2005 20:26

looking at this thread with interest as my dd (now 18mnths) has always cried a lot. now she has fantastic tantrums. hv recommended a surstart course on how to deal with the behaviour and suggested keeping a "tantrum diary" ive done this for three days and have noticed we have an average of 8 a day. no suggestions on how to deal with it though, im hoping i may get some from this thread. you have my sympathy mmg.

Kjaysmum · 11/08/2005 20:34

wow 8 a day sounds alot but then I have never kept a dairy so it could be that many some days. I believe these kids of ours are sensitive souls, hence their extreme reactions, in our case both my partner and I are fairly highly strung although we make an effort to stay calm around dd....could be hereditory?

CelluliteQueen · 11/08/2005 21:24

My DS, two last week, has taken to rolling on the floor in a very dramatic fashion when he can't get his own way. I just walk away and let him get on with it and he soon gets fed up.

matnanplus · 12/08/2005 15:31

Hi Kjaysmum,

No biscuits are fine in moderation but i have found they can be dished out lots and are not exactly healthy. I use them as a treat not a snax so they are special not expected.

Just my view, i believe that there is plenty of time to introduce biscuits and crisps once a healthy well balanced fruit and veg diet is established.

KiwiKate · 13/08/2005 08:27

Alfiesmum - you ignore him UNTIL
UNTIL - he stops the tantrum, apologises and smiles.

My DS started with a tantrum phase (only ever had a max of around 8 tantrums total). He is now 2.3yo and is totally over it (although does start one every now and again). We tell him "nothing good comes from tantrums". We lavishly award good behaviour and totally ignore him when he misbehaves/tantrums (after putting him in a timeout situation). If we are out when he tantrums, we go straight home and put him in timeout.

If you are inconsistent or allow them out of time out before the tantrum ends you are making a rod for your own back. They know they can get you to cave in at some stage, and will up the stakes (going into self-hurting, choking, throwing up, weeing themselves, smashing things) whatever it takes to get their way. By being inconsistent you are encouraging their tantrums to get worse and more intense. Our response to a tantrum is swift and 100% consistent. DS knows there is no point at all in going there.

Kjaysmum · 14/08/2005 21:46

well I am happy to say ds accepted some 'nanna' and tahini rice cracker today instead of biscuit with his tea, so that gives me much more leverage with the biccies in future! sorry to digress from the tantrum thread a little......

lunarx · 14/08/2005 23:52

MMG> ohh i sympathise! ds is nearly 14 months and does a lot of the same. nappy changes are such a hassle these last few days! he cries and thrashes about, so i just do it as quick as i can.

when my ds sits and cries when he doesn't 'get his own way'. i first make sure he isnt hurt (in case he didnt something and i didnt see), then i leave him to it. within a minute or less, he is up and back into his toys. when ds is tired, i usually just bump up his bedtime or naptime, whichever it might be. or i try to hold him for a quiet cuddle (which he usually lets me do with no struggle when he is really tired).

it IS hard to be consistant. ds is my first, so all these behaviours are so new to me! but do your best to not give in, even he is screaming and wailing bloody murder.

excellent advice is given, thanks ladies..

kbaby · 15/08/2005 14:23

Ive tried letting DD cry the tamtrum out and it never seems to end. Yesterday she wanted a strawberry and took one bite and left it on the floor, then she wanted another so DH said no she already had one and was to eat that first. Well she threw herself on the floor and cried and cried and cried. She cried for 30 mins until I picked her up and comforted her. I dont know if that was the right thing to do or if I shouldve just left her.

lewislewis · 15/08/2005 22:18

I think you are supposed to leave them. What I do when my ds has a tantrum, I ignore him (I normally take advantage of his tantrum to do some tidying up) and ONLY give him attention when he stops crying and then tell him that I am now talking to him because he has stopped crying, and also tell him what a big boy he is for not crying. I think it is important not to give them too much importance when they stop though, no big cuddles or kisses, otherwise they learn that a tantrum will always result in lots of positive attention. He normally does stop (after about 10 minutes), if he carries on and I feel that I am losing it, I put him in his cot and explain to him that I will go to him when he has stopped crying/screaming. I am not sure that I am doing this right, any other suggestions? My ds is only just entering the terrible 2s after being fairly low maintenance. Quite stressfull at times.

KiwiKate · 16/08/2005 01:33

LewisLewis - I think your approach is EXACTLY right.

Kbaby - your dd now knows that she just needs to keep it up until mummy caves in and gives her attention. If you are going to go the route that LewisLewis and I suggest, brace yourself for it to get a bit worse before it gets better. But as soon as she realises that there is nothing to be gained from tantrums it will get HEAPS better.

My DS's first tantrum went on for TWO AND A HALF HOURS (talk about STRESS). Now he has the odd meltdown (very seldom) and it lasts a minute or two at most. He knows that he will not get any attention when he is in that state. We always tell him that nothing good will happen when he is in that state, and lavish him with attention when he has totally stopped yelling/crying etc. it really DOES work. It takes some effort but in the long run is very much less work than battling the wills of a toddler who knows that they can get attention from a tantrum at least some of the time.

lewislewis · 16/08/2005 22:04

Kiwikate - i keep arguing about the following with dp: when ds throws a tantrum, dp tries and distract him by showing him a toy, a favourite teddy, by giving him a snack, or whatever. I think that once the tantrum is on we should just leave ds to it till he stops, maybe we should try harder to distract him when we see that he is about to have a tantrum, what do you think?

kbaby · 17/08/2005 13:24

your right I guess I should leave her but she ends up sobbing for so long after and doesnt seem to be able to calm herself down. Next tantrum ill leave her and hope that she stops sobbing before I give up.

oaktree · 17/08/2005 13:59

my ds has taken to follwing me around when he has a tantrum clinging to my leg. i just go & sit down and wait for him to climb up on me or throw himself on teh floor.

KiwiKate · 17/08/2005 14:16

Lewislewis, if you can avoid a tantrum by redirecting attention, then that is great. The problem with trying to redirect the toddler's attention when the tantrum is already in full swing, is that they get attention. In their minds tantrum = attention (=reward).

With my DS we do try and avoid the tantrum with distraction. He really does not have tantrums anymore, but I do recall that if he had started with the first signs of the tantrum, we would try and distract him, and he could avoid timeout if he would "give us a big smile". This sometimes resulted in the tantrum being switched off, and a smile (if somewhat false) being produced. If he made the effort to stop the tantrum and smile (even if it was unconvincing), I would praise him and give him attention and the toy or whatever. My view is that it is really hard to pull back from the brink of a meltdown (even as an adult). My MIL thought I was nuts because he did not give me a genuine smile. But to be honest, if I am cross or upset I find it very difficult to change tack. So I was happy that he made the effort. However, if the smile was not followed by other positive behaviour (stopping crying etc) then the treat/toy would not be provided, and if tantrum re-started then timeout would certainly follow.

In my view, I was really impressed with how hard he did try to stop melting down. I think we have to remember that they are still little.

So the short answer is, my technique is definately try and distract BEFORE a tantrum starts. If in early phases, try and get them to stop (my way of doing it was to ask for a big smile) and if they do stop (even if they struggle) then really reward that. If they are fullon into a tantrum, it is a bit more difficult. I didn't really find that any distraction did work at that stage. However, if it did work (provided he stopped the naughty behaviour, gave a smile, and apologised if appropriate) then I'd forego timeout (Because I think rewarding him for getting his emotions under control is more important than punishing the tantrum).

Looking at it from their point of view - If a reward (attention etc) follows bad behaviour, then you are encouraging bad behaviour. If he made an effort to stop the tantrum by smiling etc and a reward followed that - then he knows it is the smile that is being rewarded, not the tantrum

If they show no signs of making an effort and are really just turning up the tantrum to make you give in then I would UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES give them attention/reward.

Kbaby, of course she can calm herself down! She just has no reason to because when she keeps it up she gets whatever she is after. As soon as she has no audience, then the tantrum won't be worth the effort. Beware, though as you have given in in the past, she is likely to up the stakes. She may fall over onto the floor. She may make herself throw up. Some kids wet themselves. Some break things. They just up the stakes until either (1) you give in or (2) you make it clear very consistently that you will not give in. If you are not going to give in then you MUST be consistent for it to work. If you are going to give in anyway, then you might as well do it right away when she starts her fit and save both you and her the bother of the tantrum. She WILL get worse until she figures out that there are new rules. You will probably have to tell her about the new rules every time she throws a tantrum until she gets it. But don't argue or negotiate. You do X, then the consequence is Y - simple as that.

Anyway, I am not sure why you are so concerned about her being upset. She is the one who is making herself upset. She is going to have to learn at some stage that she cannot get everything she wants. That is how the real world works. If you overindulge her now, you are not actually doing her any favours. She will have a false sense of entitlement - a sense that all she has to do is turn on the tantrum and the world will give her whatever she wants. It will be a shock to her when she gests to school and will suddenly have to follow the rules like everyone else. If she has no self discipline at that stage, then it is going to be a million times harder on her. If she can't learn to get over a minor thing like not being able to watch her favourite tv program now, how is she going to cope with having to sit down, be quiet, do her homework, not interupt others, hand her work in on time, come into the classroom from playtime etc etc when she is at school? How will she follow the rules at school if there are no rules at home for her to practice on?

Also, how will you handle it if, at say age 14 she wants to get drunk and sleep over at her boyfriends house? Or do drugs? Surely at some stage there is going to be something at which you will want to draw the line. It is FAR easier if you teach them NOW that they cannot have everything they want. I'm not a killjoy and my DS has a lot of freedom (as appropriate for a 2.3yo) but he knows where the boudaries are. Of course he tries to test them, but we have so much fun because he knows that if he oversteps the mark he has to take the consequences. It is nothing personal, but it is his choice (so I don't feel guilty because he can choose the action, and if he chooses the action then he chooses the consequence, there are no grey areas). He does not throw tantrums because as I've told him "nothing good happens" when he does. So instead he chooses behaviour that does reward him - I make a real fuss everytime he does something good/nice etc, and I make excuses to praise him and focus on his good behaviour.

Funny enough, in the last couple of months, as his language has developed, he often (a few times a day) will (unprompted) say things like "good driving mommy", or "good job daddy", or "great idea nana" or "fantastic dinner mommy". So our encouragement of him is paying off in an unexpected way - in that he is seeing the good in what others do, and he is developing into a person who encourages others (what a pleasure to be on the receiving end of such compliments - although I'm not sure what the one about driving says about my usual driving skills)

lewislewis · 17/08/2005 22:17

Kiwikate: you talk about timeout, did you put your ds in his room, cot, or? We normally let our ds cry it out, and leave him to it wherever he starts the tantrum. Sometimes if I cannot bear it I put him in his room for a couple of minutes. I read that it is better to leave the proper timeout thing for when they really do something bad. I must say my ds's tantrums have increased, if he does not get his way he has a little meltdown, uff, 4 or 5 times a day for 5/maybe 10 minutes.
Also: what do you do about disobedience? We are a fairly relaxed household, but there are 3 or 4 things ds knows he must not do in the flat (like taking dvds or cds out of their cases, opening the fridge, and similar). I normally remind him not to it and remove him from the situation. But he still does it, especially when I am not giving him attention because I imagine a) he is still learning, b) there are no consequences to his disobedience. What do you do with your ds? Do not want to overuse timeout because it is a powerful tool for serious bad behaviour. What do you think?

shrub · 17/08/2005 22:39

i read the following link on another post recently and found it really helpful with my ds2stopping a tantrum in seconds