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colicy newborn...any tips?

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motherbeyond · 31/05/2010 08:02

my 3rd baby is 3 weeks old. he reeeally suffers with his tum.you see the pain cross his little face and then he screams,and then farts like mad,screaming all the while!

he settles for 5-10 mins,then it all starts again. unless he's feeding..he's suffering.(now he's started being sick after feeds,am tinking he's being over fed..but it's the only comfort for him)

so that means i'm having barely any sleep at all.
i've got to others (2 and 4)and although i know most knew mums are exhausted...i'm on my knees..i don't even seem to get a full hours sleep.

i've tried infacol,bringing his knees up and down,massaging his feet.....any other ideas?!!

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posieparker · 31/05/2010 08:06

Not overfed, sounds like reflux. This is basically like heartburn, well comparative. You need to see your GP.

Signs of reflux
Arched back after feeding and screaming pain,
Sick after feeds,
frequent feeds
Unhappy and unsettled baby

Your GP will start with infant gaviscon, ds4 had this with a little water and a siringe because he was bf. They can progress up the meds.

MrsJamin · 31/05/2010 08:09

Eek you have my sympathy, I have a 3 month old DS2 and an early waking toddler so understand your sleep deprivation! DS2 suffered fart type colic, we'd often move his thighs right up to make him fart, it really helped, can you do it anymore firmly? Also I think quite a bit of the colic was to do with DS2 having a lazy latch, has yours been checked?

OhExpletive · 31/05/2010 08:09

How are you feeding him? I don't have much time but lots of sympathy for you, it's horrendous and I can't begin to imagine it with other kids to deal with too. Best tip is to get yourself a nice stretchy wrap sling and carry the baby upright. It help with wind and soothes them but you're handsfree. Other things worth considering are cranial osteopathy, expressing past letdown before latching if you are breastfeeding and tiger-in-the-tree carry. But get help from BF counsellor if BFing. Good luck.

Igglybuff · 31/05/2010 08:21

I second reflux. Also could be intolerant to cows milk protein with that wind and discomfort. (not the same as lactose allergy which is rare).

Speak to your HV/GP to get reflux meds. If cows milk allergy only way to fix is cut out dairy if you're BF (make sure you supplement your diet. Should take 2 weeks to see improvement) or get a hydrolised formula on prescription from GP (you could ask to try at least although it tastes grim).

Another option is colief which is said to help.

Also try a few mins of tummy time a day - used to help DS fart. Especially before bedtime. Also early bedtime, say 7ish, and keeping things calm is supposed to help (so can you sling baby for the evening?) - baby ismore relaxed and can deal with wind more easily.

Good luck- I hope things improve for you.

motherbeyond · 31/05/2010 12:53

thanks ladies.am breast feeding(constantly!)..he'll fall asleep on the boob,seemingly content,but as soon as he toches the basket,he stirs,then it all begins.saw bf counsellor who checked latch and said was fine but suggested co sleeping.
hasn't helped much and would rather him in his basket.
it's a toughie!

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posieparker · 31/05/2010 13:25

I had to co sleep with my last two, both had reflux, and found I slept very well.

Get to the drs, they can only diagnose through treatment...so if Gaviscon (infant) works then you know it's reflux!!

Good Luck, I had a two year old, reception and yr one child when my last arrived and I seriously have no idea how I did it!!

Igglybuff · 31/05/2010 13:49

mother can you make the basket more comfortable for him - so put it on a slight slope, warm it slightly before he goes in and maybe have a muslin that smells of you? I think the shock of going from warm mummy to cold mattress isn't nice so they prefer to be on mummy (my DS rarely slept in his basket as I didn't try any of these things and only moved to a cot at 4 months!)

motherbeyond · 31/05/2010 21:38

posie i don't sleep well with him in the bed to be honest,im too paranoid,and i make dh sleep elsewhere because he's a really heavy sleeper and has a drink most nights..i'd like to have him back!!

also,have mentioned to h.v and midwife,and also my friend who is a gp and no one seems overly concerned,just say that his digestive system needs time to sort itself out..maybe another dr would say differently though.thanks for the advice..sounds like you had your hands full too!!

iggly have tried a t- shirt in the moses basket,and a hot water bottle so it's warm when i put him back in..same story...but i don't think he'll last 4 months in the moses basket,he was a big baby and is nearly the length of it already!!...also meant to say,have tried a sling (premaxx)that was recommended on here..he screams blue murder when i've tried to put him in it!i don't blame him though,it seems too deep.
i thought the wrap ones looked too much of a faff to put on..but i definitely need my hands back with two other kids to tend to during the day

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posieparker · 01/06/2010 08:56

motherbeyond. DC4 is the thrid of my children to suffer with reflux. DS1 had it but didn't suffer with the pain. DD1 had it very bad for eight months, I visited the dr every other week and was told that some babies are just miserable, nothing they could do etc etc. DC4 fed in front of a consultant and arched his back, screamed and was sick and she said instantly 'he has reflux', I had been to my gps twice before and got nothing, nor HVs.

I would go to the GPs if I were you, you have nothing to lose. Read up on reflux and tell them you have, it may make a difference.

fatheadsgirl · 01/06/2010 10:29

My DD was like this when she was born. Cried all the time and you could see the pain in her face which was heartbreaking. She was 6 weeks prem and always from day one was a bugger to get wind from. Her tummy was always really tight too, and the screaming just made it worse for her. Here's things that I AND nurses in the NICU did:

keeping her in a sitting position, supporting her head and rocking her back an forth and side to side, alternate this with tapping and back rubbing

lying her on her belly across my lap, can only really do this at the begining though

baby massage, although this wasn't great for her

DD wasn't keen on being put in her moses basket either, was much more content on me. I was too scared to do the co-sleeping thing too, just in case. So I would change her, feed her, wind her then wrap her quite tightly in a blanket, give her a cuddle until she was sleeping/quiet then put her in the basket. If she cried instantly then rather than pick her up again I would put my hand on her chest and make gentle "shh shh" noises. Sometimes I would have to "shh shh" quite loudly to start with so she could hear over her screaming and then gradually get quieter.

when all else failed, I couln't find out what was wrong adn nothing I did made it any better and I was getting to my wits end, I would (now this is a bit odd)put the hairdryer on or the hoover and she would stop crying and eventually fall asleep! It sounds crackers but honestly sometimes it helps.

Hope that helps sweet, good luck x

motherbeyond · 01/06/2010 13:02

well,i was up from 11pm -5am last night.just horrendous.managed to get an hour or so in before he woke again and then the other dc's woke.
posie not sure it's reflux,no arching of the back after feeds and not sick a lot,more bringing knees up and farting.(like man sized farts..which was funny to begin with,now breaks my heart!)h.v is coming tomorrow,i 'll mention it again.

fatheadsgirl

i'll try the winding techniques...have done all the shh shh stuff in the moses basket..he just goes aperplectic!also have tried hairdryer and hoover type white noise,no joy...but thanks for the advice

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AngelDog · 01/06/2010 13:13

You poor thing, motherbeyond: sounds horrendous.

Agree with people suggesting seeing doctor about reflux. I wouldn't worry about feeding him too much - it's apparently impossible to overfeed an exclusively breastfed baby.

Harvey Karp's '5S' technique is really good for calming colicky babies - or any crying newborn (unless they're crying because they're hungry ). I think there is a video clip of him on Youtube if you search - he did an interview with Richard & Judy IIRC. I'd get the DVD rather than the book as I think it would be more useful - I couldn't quite find the perfect technique for DS, but I only had the book.

I didn't like the idea of co-sleeping, but for a while poor co-sleeping sleep was better than no sleep if you see what I mean.

Swaddling might help, as might holding onto him for 15-20 minutes after he falls asleep before trying to put him down.

teaandcakeplease · 01/06/2010 13:29

I've only had a quick scan of thread responses but I feel your pain Motherbeyond. There is a chance it is reflux as others have said. However my colicky boy threw up from time to time due to me feeding on top of the wind, as he fed so much for comfort due to the pain, he was on me a lot. It took me a while to realise that though. But do go and see the GP just in case.

It took with my second baby who was very windy up to 10 weeks to settle easier. Even at feeds at night he'd squirm with wind after and be uncomfortable for ages. Co-sleep if it helps for now, if you don't already?

My second child cried for 2 to 3 hours a night until aged 10 weeks and I got so desperate (and hadn't really discovered mumsnet yet) that I spoke to my health visitor about it, she was really helpful and agreed it was probably colic and her tips to try were:

Warm bath covering tummy.
Lying him on his tummy with a warm (not hot) hot water bottle under him to soothe tummy.
Cycling his legs whilst he's on his back. Holding feet palm to palm and rocking legs sideways, whilst lying on floor or lap.
Or scooping with right hand down his right side whilst holding feet palm to palm.
Or rocking him face down well supported on legs.

She also said don't eat anything that gives you wind such as brocolli, cabbage, caffeine, cauliflower, garlic or other stimulants. She said if none of the above did work I could try buying Colief drops from a chemist and mixing in with feed by expressing it first, as she said sometimes colic is caused by a lactose intolerance.

I found that out of all of those the cycling the legs was particularly good. I don't think changing my diet helped at all tbh thinking back. I also found that as he had trouble burping, the infacol made him cry harder as it coalesced the bubbles into one big one that still went downwards but hurt more. But giving him gripe water after every feed straight away really soothed his tummy. I had to do it every feed though without fail.

The warm bath in quiet room was also a real help. Every night at the time he started to get agitated I would put in the bath, in a bath cradle and keep putting warm water on his tummy and every now and then top the bath up with warm water, so it wouldn't get too cold for him. Once or twice he was in the bath for 2 hours in the early days as it was really calming for him. Once he started doing big yawns and it was bedtime, I'd take him out into a dark bedroom and change him and BF him quietly and then often he'd go to sleep straight away. His poor sister ended up watching a lot of television in those early days. It was hard going.

Things will get better soon lovely, you must be shattered with 2 DCs already, sending you a hug x

motherbeyond · 01/06/2010 18:30

teaandcakeplease stop being so nice to me,i may cry!
i shall try all of the above.interesting what you say re infacol...i thought he was worse after it and said as much to the visiting mdwf,who raised an eyebrow and said "i shouldn't think so"...i wasn't convinced

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motherbeyond · 01/06/2010 18:33

have just seen my spelling mistakes in op....obviously have TWO dc...and am THINKING..tinking,am not from dublin!

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LeninGrad · 01/06/2010 18:40

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teaandcakeplease · 01/06/2010 19:17

Good point, I also raised the cot too, like Lenin. Forgot that one.

bacon · 01/06/2010 20:29

I'm not sure if it helps (as neither of my two had anything as bad as this) but I wonder if routine helps?? I used Gina Fords routine (and numerous friends did successfully) and wonder if feeding at the same set times may help instead of constant feeding on wind. Might be talking absolute rubbish so please dont abuse me

teaandcakeplease · 01/06/2010 21:05

I did have a routine with my colicky baby but it was very relaxed, as the last thing you need is to put more pressure on you, when you're already sleep deprived and stressed. Mine consisted on 90 mins awake and then a nap for my little man throughout the day and then start wind down for bed at about 5-6pm with long bath etc. As his colic kicked in at 5pm. Awful awful time.

Maybe I'm wrong and Motherbeyond may be ok with Gina suggestion though. Different strokes for different folks and all that.

Thinking of you OP x

motherbeyond · 02/06/2010 07:55

yip,have tried raising the head end of the moses basket...no luck.

i think i have buckleys chance of getting a routine going at the mo to be honest..he's feeding on demand and i can't see it regulating for a while..although it would be nice!when he starts screaming, the only thing that stops it/soothes him, is sticking him on the boob.

also,it's tricky when you've two other little one's that have a routine,ie tea bath,story bed for 7 pm..easier to bath baby when one at nursey and the other having a nap!!although,this will have to change i know

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teaandcakeplease · 02/06/2010 09:32

LOL - Lenin

I couldn't get my boy to take a dummy, I sure tried with all his screaming. I once in desperation swaddled him up to his chin to try and keep a dummy in! LOL. He did find his thumb aeventually though.

It is worth a try though OP but you probably already have, I suspect.

How was last night?

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motherbeyond · 02/06/2010 10:08

lol LeninGrad and not eay to make me do that at the moment!i am co-sleeping,but would prefer not to,as i said,would like the dh back in bed at some stage!
re swaddling,spent £30 on swaddling blanket off t'internet..and he frigging HATES being swaddled!!
re dummies..gave my dd a dummy,but had such a battle removing it i swore never again..ds1 never had one..and they do say that it inteferes with b.feeding don't they..which i already have enough issues with..don't need any extra worries!

last night was a bit better, he woke for feeds but the farting didn't start til 4 am

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