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Giving Controlled Crying a go?

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mrspoppins · 20/02/2010 17:41

This is not a thread designed to evoke debate but it is written as a response to being asked what to do if you should decide to try this. There are a lot of parents here who are happy with it and a lot who aren't. We just have to accept that. If you are having difficulties settling your child of any age to sleep and are not happy with your present situation then it may be of use to you so read on!

If your child has been sleeping with you in their bed or in yours, withdrawing yourself completely will be too traumatic and you need to do a more gradual approach before taking on this technique. If anyone would like help with that, post here and I will jot a few pointers down for you.

First Things First

It is vital to choose a regular time to start the bedtime routine and stick to it.

If your baby is aged 6 months plus, timing the evening routine to coincide with their last bottle is important so as a rule of thumb, allow yourself an hour. Try not to let baby fall asleep on you whilst feeding in order to place them into their cot asleep as when they wake up, they may be disorientated. It is better for children to fall asleep in their cot/bed in order to promote a safe and happy feeling about being in bed but awake.

If your child is no longer having a last bottle, end your routine in their bedroom having quiet stories with the lights low.

Ensure an older child has a last wee before your stories start and their teeth are brushed so they don't need to leave their rooms again. They should have had their last fluids of the day with their evening meal to avoid needing the loo at 10.30pm!

Choose your timing method...You can choose any interval you like.
1min-3min-5min-1min-3min-5min
3min-5min-10min-3min-5min-10min
5min-10min-5min-5min-10min-15 min

If you would rather, keep the interval the same length 5min-5min-5min.

STEP 1 Put into cot/bed calmly and gently. Hushed tones for babies, whispering for older children...sleep well...love you. Night night...lights off. Door closed and leave the room. Do this even if you child is already crying. Smile and reassure with your expression.

STEP 2 If baby is crying immediately, wait the amount of time you have chosen then go in. Make no eye contact...look at their bodies or hands, lie them back down if they are standing, just gently touch their arm if they are still laying...no talking...just whisper sshhh sshhh sshhh in a calm, slow way. Stay for approx 2 mins. Leave.
If baby starts to cry after a little while, leave them to cry for the first timed interval you chose before you go in and do the above.

STEP 3 Continue with the timed intervals you have chosen until your baby or toddler falls asleep. Reassurance should still be kept to a minimum of no more than two minutes and they shouldn't be lifted out of the cot/bed or be cuddled or spoken to.

This may take a while. Be prepared for that. Have a chair to sit on outside their room, a coffee and a magazine or even set up the ironing board and get a few things done! You must not simply stand there waiting to go in...It will drive you nuts and the minutes will seem endless. I think having something to occupy yourself with will make things easier for you. Cleaning the bathroom or just tidying up is another idea!

Controlled crying can take a few nights to establish. You must give yourself time and be patient.

If you have a toddler who is constantly coming out of their room, take them as nicely as you can back to bed. I say this as they may not be cooperative at all about the idea! Even if they are kicking and shouting, ignore?ignore?ignore. Even if it kills you!
Toddlers who are coming out of their room to you, wait till they come out to put them back.
Toddlers who are in a cot, use the timed interval method but make it longer 5-10-15 as an example and then go back to 5mins.

The principal is the same for all age groups. Do not offer reward for crying and screaming about going to bed. They are safe. They need sleep. You know it is the best for them. It is simply that they don?t understand.

The younger child cries as they have no language. That is their language. It is hard to listen to and we are programmed to want to nurture/ keep safe our offspring when they cry but remember, they are safe and they don?t need protecting.

If there are questions you have, post them and I?ll do my best to answer them.

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FlyingDuchess · 20/02/2010 21:28

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GhoulsAreLoud · 20/02/2010 21:30

I don't know, I'm really on the fence over this one. I know children who at the age of two are still up constantly in the night and they and the parents are all exhausted and other children neglected a bit as a result. I don't know if that's optimal either, I really don't.

GhoulsAreLoud · 20/02/2010 21:31

Btw, I'm by no means a domestic goddess but if I only hoovered my house once a month it would be a health hazard! I don't think that's selfish.

GhoulsAreLoud · 20/02/2010 21:31

(not sure what it has to do with cc either )

FlyingDuchess · 20/02/2010 21:35

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GhoulsAreLoud · 20/02/2010 21:39

Yes, I think I agree with most of that FD. I thought CC was only for 12mo plus babies anyway, isn't it?

Irons · 20/02/2010 21:53

I'm not in agreement with CC because I believe it breaks a bond of trust between mother and child (but we won't get into that now), and hope I never get to the point where I'm so desperate I feel I have to use it, because I don't think I could.

But my question is, don't you think a child under 12 months (or maybe even 18 months) is too young for CC?

Jamieandhismagictorch · 20/02/2010 22:58

Ghouls - that's it, I think. I made a judgement about what was optimal for all of us (my DS1 as well, who was 4 at the time and being woken). I was becoming a basket case through lack of sleep.

Jamieandhismagictorch · 20/02/2010 23:02

harecare - I totally agree. I think that the ability to get to sleep can be disrupted by parents.

Jamieandhismagictorch · 20/02/2010 23:16

FlyingDuchess I didn't explain something very well in my first post.

DS2 had, prior to his sleep being disrupted by teething, always been able to settle himself to sleep. After that acute period, had passed (when he needed more comfort from me during the night), I felt he'd got into a habit of needing me there, so in a sense, it was not "learning" to self-soothe, but re-learning, that was needed.

Casmama · 20/02/2010 23:48

"This is not a thread designed to evoke debate but it is written as a response to being asked what to do if you should decide to try this."

This is from the original post - perhaps anyone who wishes a debate on the merits or otherwise should start a separate thread.

GhoulsAreLoud · 20/02/2010 23:50

Um, you can't dictate how a thread goes Casmama, that's not the nature of this forum.

mrspoppins · 21/02/2010 00:13

Casmama...I'd kind of hoped!!!!

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Casmama · 21/02/2010 00:48

Ghouls, I'm not suggesting that anyone can dictate how a thread goes, simply that in the same way you wouldn't post a question on breastfeeding in the relationships topic why start a debate on a thread that has clearly set out to be informative. This thread is apparently in response to a request for information and could be a useful source for people who have made the decision to try controlled crying. By turning it into a debate it looses some of its appeal for those looking for information.

FlyingDuchess · 21/02/2010 00:52

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mrspoppins · 21/02/2010 00:59

I didn't suggest that no one could post...I said it wasn't designed to evoke debate but in all honesty it was one sided information but meant to be just to let someone know the ins and outs. There are lots of different things people can try..What i find frustrating and it is what made me stop posting a few years ago though now my skin is thicker, I don't care as much,is that I get the feeling that people sometimes just want to sabotage someone else's plans.Not sure why?

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FlyingDuchess · 21/02/2010 01:04

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Casmama · 21/02/2010 01:14

It is a description of a specific method - of course it is one - sided. The title is Giving controlled crying a go? not a debate on various alternatives to help a child sleep.

mrspoppins · 21/02/2010 01:17

Well I might try that line next time..don't think it'll make much difference
I wasn't just meaning this thread but posts in general.They can have an air of anger about them. I think that is partly the fact that we are not known personally so feel freer to be more aggressive in our replies or that the people who will post are the mainly most outspoken sort of people anyhow in their real lives.It's the swearing thing as well and I can swear with the best of them but that always seems to make things seem a little harsher!

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FlyingDuchess · 21/02/2010 01:17

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mrspoppins · 21/02/2010 01:25

That has hit the nail on the head though FD..that is exactly my point!Generally, no one offers more comprehensive ideas as alternatives to the posters..not just here but anywhere..but they just banter and point score and nit pick...just like your breastfeeding dig...I thought it was a genuine question and you just wanted to point out that I had said bottle not bottle/breast. It is that kind of stuff that annoys me as it seems unnecessary to try to seem cleverer and bigger...it is a bit playgroundish

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mrspoppins · 21/02/2010 01:27

That isn't a personal attack...it is a general point but I couldn't remember who had asked the question and so quickly scrolled through and it was you!

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FlyingDuchess · 21/02/2010 01:33

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Casmama · 21/02/2010 01:38

Sorry, I was going to bow out of this conversation but, and I am genuinely interested, not being sarcastic, how is it desirable for a young baby to wake frequently. Are you just talking about the first month or two to help build supply if breastfeeding or are you talking about eg 6 month old babies?

mrspoppins · 21/02/2010 01:51

It doesn't matter if you are feeding still overnight or not, breast or botle..by 6 months, even if feeding on demand there will at least be some pattern to the feeds at night. If it is feedtime...you go in..lights off..feed and back to cot with no fuss. You don't want an awake baby in the middle of the night...so keeping interaction levels low and just doing what is necessary imo is the way to go the you too can get back to bed and hopefully baby hasn't been woken too much and will fall asleep again. If not you cc if that is what you are doing.
Babies are not supposed to be awake frequently throughout the night as they get a little older and bigger and off the 2/3/4 hourly feed stage. Babies need to sleep too as well as mummies.

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