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Giving Controlled Crying a go?

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mrspoppins · 20/02/2010 17:41

This is not a thread designed to evoke debate but it is written as a response to being asked what to do if you should decide to try this. There are a lot of parents here who are happy with it and a lot who aren't. We just have to accept that. If you are having difficulties settling your child of any age to sleep and are not happy with your present situation then it may be of use to you so read on!

If your child has been sleeping with you in their bed or in yours, withdrawing yourself completely will be too traumatic and you need to do a more gradual approach before taking on this technique. If anyone would like help with that, post here and I will jot a few pointers down for you.

First Things First

It is vital to choose a regular time to start the bedtime routine and stick to it.

If your baby is aged 6 months plus, timing the evening routine to coincide with their last bottle is important so as a rule of thumb, allow yourself an hour. Try not to let baby fall asleep on you whilst feeding in order to place them into their cot asleep as when they wake up, they may be disorientated. It is better for children to fall asleep in their cot/bed in order to promote a safe and happy feeling about being in bed but awake.

If your child is no longer having a last bottle, end your routine in their bedroom having quiet stories with the lights low.

Ensure an older child has a last wee before your stories start and their teeth are brushed so they don't need to leave their rooms again. They should have had their last fluids of the day with their evening meal to avoid needing the loo at 10.30pm!

Choose your timing method...You can choose any interval you like.
1min-3min-5min-1min-3min-5min
3min-5min-10min-3min-5min-10min
5min-10min-5min-5min-10min-15 min

If you would rather, keep the interval the same length 5min-5min-5min.

STEP 1 Put into cot/bed calmly and gently. Hushed tones for babies, whispering for older children...sleep well...love you. Night night...lights off. Door closed and leave the room. Do this even if you child is already crying. Smile and reassure with your expression.

STEP 2 If baby is crying immediately, wait the amount of time you have chosen then go in. Make no eye contact...look at their bodies or hands, lie them back down if they are standing, just gently touch their arm if they are still laying...no talking...just whisper sshhh sshhh sshhh in a calm, slow way. Stay for approx 2 mins. Leave.
If baby starts to cry after a little while, leave them to cry for the first timed interval you chose before you go in and do the above.

STEP 3 Continue with the timed intervals you have chosen until your baby or toddler falls asleep. Reassurance should still be kept to a minimum of no more than two minutes and they shouldn't be lifted out of the cot/bed or be cuddled or spoken to.

This may take a while. Be prepared for that. Have a chair to sit on outside their room, a coffee and a magazine or even set up the ironing board and get a few things done! You must not simply stand there waiting to go in...It will drive you nuts and the minutes will seem endless. I think having something to occupy yourself with will make things easier for you. Cleaning the bathroom or just tidying up is another idea!

Controlled crying can take a few nights to establish. You must give yourself time and be patient.

If you have a toddler who is constantly coming out of their room, take them as nicely as you can back to bed. I say this as they may not be cooperative at all about the idea! Even if they are kicking and shouting, ignore?ignore?ignore. Even if it kills you!
Toddlers who are coming out of their room to you, wait till they come out to put them back.
Toddlers who are in a cot, use the timed interval method but make it longer 5-10-15 as an example and then go back to 5mins.

The principal is the same for all age groups. Do not offer reward for crying and screaming about going to bed. They are safe. They need sleep. You know it is the best for them. It is simply that they don?t understand.

The younger child cries as they have no language. That is their language. It is hard to listen to and we are programmed to want to nurture/ keep safe our offspring when they cry but remember, they are safe and they don?t need protecting.

If there are questions you have, post them and I?ll do my best to answer them.

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DebiNewberry · 20/02/2010 20:22

I have read the whole thread.

Having a different opinion is not bullying.

To encounter discussion, debate or those with a different opinion and call bully is just not on.

CuppaTeaJanice · 20/02/2010 20:25

He'll happily drink juice from a beaker with a spout but if he has milk in one he'll either refuse it (usually at night) or fuss around with it for hours. As the reason they give for giving up bottles is because of contact with milk and teeth, I figured it would be better for him to guzzle a bottle in 3 minutes than sip at a cup for two hours.

He's only put himself to sleep once. Normally he'll either fall asleep on my lap or if he's still awake when we go to bed he'll come in with us and I'll transfer him to the cot when he's asleep.

All these bad habits I've got into...

MrsPixie · 20/02/2010 20:27
mrspoppins · 20/02/2010 20:31

Don't worry Cuppa...in that case withdraw slowly from his room or it'll be just too much.

Milk...I would seriously think about stopping the bottles altogether and he will soon realise that if he wants to drink milk it will be out of a cup or nothing.Until he sees that, he is a big boy and you can ensure he gets all he needs from his diet.
good luck.

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MrsPixie · 20/02/2010 20:32

"Children are not like flat pack furniture, a set of 1, 2, 3 instructions will not of course fit all."

I think they should hang this on a placard in mat. wards

BertieBotts · 20/02/2010 20:35

mrspoppins I have elaborated a bit in case you missed it above.

Have tried to keep this as non emotive as possible!

mrspoppins · 20/02/2010 20:36

Debates are good...arguments less so...and saying...
"I doubt this to be honest.
I have about 800 'anything' alternatives to cc, but they are all about your discomfort rather than your baby's! "

isn't really debate but I knew it was going to turn into this!!!!!

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Jamieandhismagictorch · 20/02/2010 20:38

I used CC with my second DS. This was when he was around 16 months, and we had had around 6 months of him waking in the night, and me having to take increasingly long to get him back to his cot and leave the room.

I had tried gradual withdrawal - sitting on the floor, not looking, attempting to creep out the room - but I just couldn't cope anymore when this process started to take up to an hour.

It was not an easy decision - you have to be sure you can stick to it, but it took only 3 nights for him to sleep through, and this saved my sanity (little dramatic, but you know what I mean).

I have never been able to sleep with a baby/child in the bed with us, so this was not an option. I guess you could argue that I was prioritising my need for sleep over his comfort, but I honestly believed I was teaching him to self -soothe.

Interestingly, he recently started waking in the night again (he's 6), and proved difficult to settle back to sleep, so we did a whole bed-swapping rigmarole for a while.

I discovered by accident that if I rouse him out of a deep sleep when I go to bed, he doesn't wake in the middle of the night, so if I had another child I might try that first .....

Thanks for posting in detail about what CC is. I totally understand why people might not choose to do it, BUT I think many people misunderstand what CC is.

FlyingDuchess · 20/02/2010 20:39

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DebiNewberry · 20/02/2010 20:41

It's a different opinion. And there are different ways of getting your baby to sleep than cc. And they do take longer, so the burden is on the parent(s).

It certainly isn't an instance of bullying, and it was unfair to say so, really.

BambinolovesBeccie · 20/02/2010 20:42

The late bedtime and switch from grobag to blankets could be working. He went down in half the time and so far so good. Fingers crossed.

FlyingDuchess · 20/02/2010 20:45

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CuppaTeaJanice · 20/02/2010 20:46

Thanks very much for your help.

...trying to ignore all the arguing.....

mrspoppins · 20/02/2010 20:51

cuppatea That's good advice..now I'm off to read with my 12 yr old before bed so will pop back later.

Bambino..great..

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Igglybuff · 20/02/2010 20:55

Can anyone tell me why 6 months is the time that controlled crying can be used from?

Also is the idea that CC will mean a baby will sleep through? My neighbour used controlled crying on her then 16 week old so he goes to sleep after being put down drowsy. However he still wakes up in the night every two hours. I don't understand - I thought CC would teach him to go back to sleep?

GhoulsAreLoud · 20/02/2010 20:56

Um, a quick question for those who are anti-controlled crying (and I've never done CC by the way).

How do you feel when your baby cries and you can't comfort them? E.g. in the back of the car - this used to happen to me all the time when DD was small and always when I was in heavy traffic or on a dual carriageway and couldn't stop.

I know you would say one thing is unavoidable and the other isn't (unless you stop driving altogether!) but the baby doesn't know that, do they? So do you think that is an equally terrible thing?

mrspoppins · 20/02/2010 21:00

Bertie...sorry had missed it. I can see what you are saying but I disagree with the point.

Children who cry for long long periods of time unattended eventually learn not to cry because they are damaged by the lack of contact.
This is not the same thing at all as reassuringly being there..lightly touching a back or leg and making soothing sounds at points inbetween.

Now I am off to listen to some stories! Back later

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Igglybuff · 20/02/2010 21:04

mrspoppins - somewhere I've read that leaving a baby to cry and not looking at them is quite stressful for the child? How does a child react when their parent just touches them but doesnt look?

I know you didn't want a debate...!

mrspoppins · 20/02/2010 21:06

dd2 still doing her teeth..braces!! Take ages!!

Igglybuff some will sleep through at 6 months purely because nutritionally they can manage without a night feed.When they can, you can do cc.
I think your neighbour's baby is simply waking up for his feed which he will still need at 4 months as he is probably not yet on solids or on very little.

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FlyingDuchess · 20/02/2010 21:07

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Igglybuff · 20/02/2010 21:10

mrspoppins yes you're probably right - he's not on solids and wakes for food.

How long do you think it would take for a baby to sleep through using other methods? I'm trying to teach DS to self settle eg if I hear him wake I'll give him time before going unless he's crying. Occasionally he has drifted off although not when it's cold!!

FlyingDuchess · 20/02/2010 21:13

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Igglybuff · 20/02/2010 21:14

Ghouls I feel awful if I can't comfort my DS. It's happened in the car and we pulled over as soon as we could. I've also carried him home when he was screaming in his pram.

Ultimately though at some point I can go to him whereas with CC there's no way out except sleep.

GhoulsAreLoud · 20/02/2010 21:18

Perhaps the people who do cc are just more accepting of the fact that a baby can't always expect to have optimal care for every second of every day, then?

harecare · 20/02/2010 21:22

Flying Duchess - sometimes children and babies cry because they are just plain tired. Doing anything other than letting them sleep is not responding to their basic biological needs.
I happily leave 5 month DD2 to have a little cry before she drifts off to sleep and I don't pat or reassure her as this could make her really cry. She isn't crying "Mummy cuddle me, feed me, rock me", she's simply crying "I'm so tired, I wish I could sleep, oh, I'm tucked up all nice and warm and I'm well fed and clean, perhaps I will just sleep then". and off she goes.
If I pick up my tired baby then she really screams "get off me Mummy, I was just about to go to sleep, can you not just let me be?"