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How do you discipline a 2 and a half year old?

35 replies

squirral · 11/02/2010 22:18

When I tell my son not do something he can at times completely ignore me, what's missing is the consiquence. Get down off the chair or...
He doesn't have a favourite toy or comforter, he's not interested in stickers.
Stuck about where to go.

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Eglu · 11/02/2010 22:26

I use the naughty corner or naughty step with DS2. He is 2.5. If he won't do something I ask, I make him sit for 2 minutes. Then he will usually do what I have asked.

verybusyspider · 11/02/2010 22:29

another vote for naughty step/time out. ds2 was 2 at christmas and been on and off time out ever since we do it super nanny style, one warning at eye level then time out, it takes a few goes before they get it but works for us.

hughesrob · 12/02/2010 07:32

Nursery used to suggest, and we took the advice, "thinking time" in the "thinking corner" to sit down and think about their behaviour: v similar to naughty step, but nice, fluffy (Montessori ?) name for it. Pleasingly every room of every building seeems to have one of these corners if looked for .

I'd take the little one to somewhere (it didn't even need to be a corner), sit her down, explain why she was being put there, then after a little while (one min for every year was the suggested time) go back ask the little one if they understood why they were there and if they were ready to come back and join in again. If there was excessive crossness or shouting I'd tell her she'd be left there until she'd cooled her jets, returning every so often to repaeat the question "are you ready to cool your jets yet?"

When monkey #1 was 2 my ultimate, somewhat pathetic, and to me rather meaningless threat after all other sanctions had been carried through and failed was "if you do that again I'll be cross...right, now I'm cross!"

Being cross didn't actually involve doing anything like shouting, beating, taser, putting her in the stocks or anything, but curiously she didn't like the idea of me being cross and its success rate was surprising.

One key plus side of this threat is that I could demonstrate the following through of a sanction without it actually involving something tedious or tricky to follow through with. I guess the main thing was when I was scrabbling around after an "if you do that one more time..." it was always at hand, I didn't need to try and find something to remove or confiscate: I could be cross anytime, anywhere!

Good luck!

ChairmumMiaow · 12/02/2010 07:41

DS is only just 2, but he responds very well to choices.

e.g. "If you want to walk, then you need to hold hands, otherwise you need to go in the pushchair"

He normally gets about 3 warnings and then a count to 3, and if he doesn't do what needs to happen, I make it happen (put him in the pushchair, take his dinner away for a few minutes while he stops messing around etc).

He is a bit younger, but he seems to know that although he gets plenty of warning, I am serious (as I follow through on consequences) and he eventually does what I ask.

However, on some things he has a lot of leeway - if he wants to walk and we are not in a hurry I will let him walk so long as he is doing it sensibly, even if it is a hassle for me.

The only time I put him away from me is when he hits or kicks. Then he gets a stern telling off ("Don't kick Mummy, it hurts") and I take myself out of the situation for a minute or two. If he comes back and wants to do something else, and doesn't try to continue hitting etc, I will play with him straight away.

numerouno · 12/02/2010 09:13

I am at the end of my tether this morning! I have tried the naughty step twice, I sent her to her room, I shouted, I even confiscated her comforter - NOTHING IS WORKING!

At the moment she is just sat on a step at the bottom of the stairs with all the balloons I asked her to put away half an hour ago and the bag they go in!

She just stares at me and cries a little. She is SO DEFIANT! What do I do now?

lou031205 · 12/02/2010 09:29

Help her. Say "Mummy asked you to put those balloons away and I meant it." Take her hand and feed balloons into bag. Escort her to where you want them and guide her hand to dropping them in.

CirrhosisByTheSea · 12/02/2010 09:31

Stop giving her the opportunity to defy you. All the while you are keeping the battle going, so will she because it is human nature.

Pick up the balloons and put them away and say "oh well, if you can't put them away after using them then I can't have them out again. That's a shame"

end of battle. consequence given. No further horn-locking required.

You need to be the clever one, the one who shows her that complying with your requests is not about simply obeying, but that there's a reason you ask and a consequence to her if she doesn't go along with a request. You don't need to battle with her to get her to do what you want - just show her the consequence.

MarthaFarquhar · 12/02/2010 09:37

The two keys for me are:
Developing your Serious Mummy voice. Takes more work than you'd imagine.

Also counting to three seems to work here - doesn't really matter so much what happens at three, you give them the chance to back down a bit without losing too much face.

BertieBotts · 12/02/2010 09:51

Punishments/consequences are useful, but they are not the be-all and end-all of discipline.

numerouno · 12/02/2010 09:54

Thank you!

At last the battle is over. She got bored and needed a wee.

Phew!

PureAsTheColdDrivenSnow · 12/02/2010 09:56

Very glad you posted this OP (was about to post something v similar)

DS is 2.3 and getting more and more defiant. Choices are currently not working with him, he's started with the tantrums, his eating is awful, everything has to be his idea, etc etc.

I need to develop the naughty step I think, but I like the idea of being cross (as he doesn't like that)

numerouno · 12/02/2010 09:59

The cross idea works beautifully with my eldest, but DD2 is not so easy to deal with. I think they all react differently to different disciplines and you know your own child and how their minds work better than anyone else.

Sometimes though you get to a point where nothing is working and you need someone else's opinion!

DorotheaPlenticlew · 12/02/2010 10:00

Agree that counting to three often works for some totally mysterious reason.

Does everyone else's child willingly stay on the naughty/thinking step or corner or whatever for the whole two minutes? 'Cause we never get anywhere near that! DS simply won't stay put; he tends to leave the corner/area and follow me as I walk away, protesting loudly. He is v v strong and heavy, and I am getting to the heavily pregnant stage, so I can only lift him and replace him back on the spot so many times before I'm exhausted.

numerouno · 12/02/2010 10:01

Sorry i meant "ideas", not "opinions"

MarthaFarquhar · 12/02/2010 10:02

mine too Dorothea
it is therefore reserved for when mummy is too exhausted to think straight very serious misdemeanors (biting) only

RumourOfAHurricane · 12/02/2010 10:07

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PureAsTheColdDrivenSnow · 12/02/2010 10:14

shiney - yes, true.. but at wits end!

What am I supposed to do with this:
DS wants his cereal in the red bowl. I make cereal in his red bowl. He instantly has a meltdown and demands the green bowl. I say no, (because if I didn't we'd be there all day) and he has a meltdown and refuses breakfast.

this is just an example of 1 of the hundreds of little things like this we have through the day, it's bloody exhausting.
I know he's not being naughty, and i know he can't deal very well with choices atm, but arrrggh

sorry. better now

vesela · 12/02/2010 10:14

hughesrob, I do that, but in our case it's sitting on the sofa and thinking. Steve Biddulph advocates standing and thinking, but it probably comes from elsewhere too. DD stays put but then she doesn't really mind sitting on the sofa (which is OK since punishment not the aim of it).

She goes to a Montessori nursery but I don't actually know what method they use.

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PureAsTheColdDrivenSnow · 12/02/2010 12:07

you didn't seem grumpy, don't worry

lukewarmcupoftea · 12/02/2010 13:25

I think (and I might be being a bit soft here, it has been known), that some of it comes down to communication. As DD1 (2.5) understands so much now, I expect her to be able to communicate with me just as well - but using your situation, Pure, it might be that he doesn't really know which the red/green one is? So not being naughty or difficult as such, just frustrated at not being able to tell you which one is the preferred option.

We have a frequent battle over choice of pudding, where DD1 says she wants vanilla, I go and get vanilla, bring it back, cue meltdown as it turns out she really wants chocolate flavour or whatever. I'm not sure what she thinks vanilla means, but not what it actually means! I've now got wise to this (only took about 5 months) and just bring her a choice of two so she can actually see them, and let her pick.

Also, making things into a game can avoid a lot of conflict - e.g. can you help put these balloons away really quickly. There's a limit to how consistently helpful a 2 year old can be when left to their own devices, sometimes amazingly so, other times head in the clouds and teeth grindingly uncompliant. So discipline as such doesn't always work/or isn't appropriate.

When it is, though, I second the 1,2,3.... technique, and also sending to the bedroom for a couple of minutes to cool off. Am still trying to develop the mummy voice... (better still, the mummy look - one glance from my mum would freeze me to the spot)

PureAsTheColdDrivenSnow · 12/02/2010 13:37

Hmm interesting.

He definitely knows his colours, but I think you might have something there in that he thinks he knows which one he wants, and then when he sees it he realises that it's the other one he wants (IYSWIM)

Wouldn't be an issue if DP had given him his normal white breakfast bowl that he has every single morning

Argh - he also won't eat the petit filous that have a cartoon of a girl on them, only the one's with boys on. Lord knows where that's come from!

lukewarmcupoftea · 12/02/2010 13:47

Oh yes, depart from the normal routine at your peril! Do you think all toddlers have a touch of OCD?

PureAsTheColdDrivenSnow · 12/02/2010 13:50

absolutely - you should see him lining up his cars on the rug. if I dare touch them or help him he throws a wobbly.

ChairmumMiaow · 12/02/2010 13:57

I definitely think their communication skills are an issue. We generally get around with meal times that by letting DS pick his own cup/bowl/cutlery/whatever from his drawer. (I started this because it kept him busy while I was getting breakfast together/dishing up rather than because I have an amazing master plan!)