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All those with boys age 4-7 please help...

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SolidGoldpiginablanket · 22/12/2009 18:59

I have to fill out the assessment form for DS who has a problem with fine motor skills - he is 5. Can you please tell me if your DS can:
Dress himself (including buttons/zips)
Bath himself (I doubt many 5 year olds can???)
Cut up his food with knife and fork
Ride a bike
THread beads

Thanks so much - I have to state how DS compares with other DC of his age and I simply don't know.

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MrsMorgan · 22/12/2009 19:52

Ds, just 7 and can thread beads, and ride a bike and could wash himself, given several hours, but he does struggle with cutting up food and zips and buttons.

Libertyloberty · 22/12/2009 20:06

DS 4.5

Can dress himself, can't do buttons or zips.
Can wash himself in the bath. I do his hair.
Can cut up soft food like carrots and fishfingers. I help with things like roast pots, meat.
Can ride a bike (since 2 yrs). No stablisers.
Can thread big beads, can't do hama beads though, and wouldn't have the concentration to do so!

Good luck with the assessment. What is it for?

MrsDingDongMerrily · 22/12/2009 20:08

DS (6 next month)

can dress himself, although sometimes gets stuck starting zips. could manage when he started school but very reluctant when at home, something clicked a few months ago and he now dresses very quickly and easily.

could bath himself if I let him but have never suggested he wash his own hair

does not find it easy cutting food up tends to hold food with one hand and cut with the other rather than using the fork to hold with. Mainly prefers foods that don't need cutting such as pasta, curries so doesn't get too much practice

Can ride a bike with stabilisers but is not in the least bit interested in doing so

Can thread cotton reels but not small beads

I think he is is a bit delayed in fine motor skills TBH

SolidGoldpiginablanket · 22/12/2009 21:51

The assessment is for occupational therapy - the problem is likely to be that he gets put off at school WRT writing because he can't do it.
The other thing with DS is that he is very bright and an advanced reader - I think maybe the motor skills need to catch up with the verbal skills a bit. THe bead threading etc is just not something we've ever done, he's never expressed an interest.
Mind you he did put his own glove on today which is something we have been struggling with...

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Awassailinglookingforanswers · 22/12/2009 21:59

DS2 has just turned 6

He can dress himself, including buttons and zips
Bath himself (reasonably well)
Still a bit clumsy with his knife, but can cut most things up now unless very tough to cut
Ride a bike - no, but neither can DS1 (who is 9) can ride one with stabilisers though
Thread beads........ermm don't know - probably.

TeamEdwardsSparklyBaubles · 22/12/2009 22:02

DS1 is four and a half.

Dress himself (including buttons/zips) - struggles with buttons but can do zips.
Bath himself (I doubt many 5 year olds can???) - could if he had too, but avoids shampoo at all costs!
Cut up his food with knife and fork - Yes, has done since 18mo
Ride a bike - yes, with stabilisers
THread beads - yes.

jollyma · 22/12/2009 22:11

Sounds like a poor questionnare if its asking you to compare to other children. They probably just want an idea of what they are facing before they see him to help them prioritise the referral and make sure the right person sees him. Give as much detail about what he can and cant do and leave the comparisons to them at the assessment.

These sort of problems if not severe are usually dealt with fairly easily with a programme of activites for home and school. Its always good to identify problems early so they don't escalate. Good luck.

posey · 22/12/2009 22:14

Ds is approaching 7. He can do all now but the bike riding (though hoping to sort that out with his birthday bike!)
At 5 I think he would have struggled with some buttons and starting a zip, and cutting up food (thats quite a recent thing really)

jabberwocky · 22/12/2009 22:15

Ds1 has sensory problems and fine motor issues:
Dress himself (including buttons/zips)- could not at 5 until his occupational therapist worked on it.

Bath himself (I doubt many 5 year olds can???)- not really....

Cut up his food with knife and fork - no

Ride a bike - with stabilizers

THread beads - maybe, not exactly sure

ChasingSquirrels · 22/12/2009 22:22

ds1 is 7, ds2 is nearly 4. I'll try and answer for ds1 as I remember him at 5 and ds2 now.

Dress - ds1 yes but I then had had ds2 and ds1 had to sort himself out more / ds2 getting there but is lazy toad and I baby him.

Bath - to what extent? Both could sit in the bath, I wouldn't have let either run it without supervision at 5 in case of burns. ds1 is only recently washing own hair etc.

Food - both yes

Bike - without stabilisers? ds1 learned at 4y11m / ds2 - no, only with stabilisers.

Beads - both yes

Heated · 22/12/2009 22:23

DS is 5

  • can dress himself with buttons and zips but has been known to have a meltdown over socks
  • can shower himself if we turn the shower on but not bath himself (as that's more complicated re regulating hot water temperature and not getting water all over the floor)
  • can cut up most food with a knife and fork but will still ask for help with tricky stuff
  • yes can ride a bike
  • yes thread beads

Will try and find an excellent piece of advice on here I read for encouraging fine motor skills - back in a sec.

M1SSUNDERSTOOD · 22/12/2009 22:26

Ds1 6.9 can
Dress himself (including buttons/zips)- yes
Bath himself -well stand for ages in shower
Cut up his food with knife and fork - prefers hands unless prompted
Ride a bike - yes but only within last 6 months
THread beads - hope so as we are going to string popcorn together tomorrow for the tree
DS2 4.3 can
Dress himself (including buttons/zips)-needs assistance
Bath himself -no
Cut up his food with knife and fork - no
Ride a bike - yes but only with stabilizers
THread beads - not sure but ditto Ds1 above

Heated · 22/12/2009 22:27

SGB, this is the post that has loads of ideas for encouraging fine motor skills (courtesy of mrz).

Upright working surfaces promote fine motor skills. Examples of these are: vertical chalkboards; easels for painting; flannel boards; lite bright; magnet boards (or fridge); windows and mirrors; white boards, etc. Children can also make sticker pictures; do rubber ink-stamping; use reuseable stickers to make pictures; complete puzzles with thick knobs; use magna-doodle and etch-a-sketch as well. The benefits for these include: having the child's wrist positioned to develop good thumb movements; they help develop good fine motor muscles; the child is using the arm and shoulder muscles.

Rolling play dough into tiny balls (peas) using only the finger tips.

Cutting play dough with a plastic knife or with a pizza wheel by holding the implement in a diagonal volar grasp.

Tearing newspaper into strips and then crumpling them into balls

Scrunching up 1 sheet of newspaper in one hand. This is a super strength builder.

Using a plant sprayer to spray plants, (indoors, outdoors) to spray snow (mix food colouring with water so that the snow can be painted), or melt "monsters". (Draw monster pictures with markers and the colours will run when sprayed.)

Picking up objects using large tweezers such as those found in the "Operation" game. This can be adapted by picking up Cheerios, small cubes, small marshmallows, pennies, etc., in counting games.

Turning over cards, coins, or buttons, without bringing them to the edge of the table.

The following activities ought to be done frequently to increase postural muscle strength and endurance. These activities also strengthen the child's awareness of his hands.
Wheelbarrow walking, crab walking

Clapping games (loud/quiet, on knees together, etc.)

Catching (clapping) bubbles between hands

Pulling off pieces of thera-putty with individual fingers and thumb

Drawing in a tactile medium such as wet sand, salt, rice, or "goop". Make "goop" by adding water to cornflour until you have a mixture similar in consistency to toothpaste. The "drag" of this mixture provides feedback to the muscle and joint receptors, thus facilitating visual motor control.

Picking out small objects like pegs, beads, coins, etc., from a tray of salt, sand, rice, or putty. Try it with eyes closed too. This helps develop sensory awareness in the hands.

The joints of the body need to be stable before the hands can be free to focus on writing.
Wheelbarrow walking, crab walking, and wall push-ups.
Toys: Orbiter, silly putty, and monkey bars on the playground.

Fine Motor Skills
When a certain amount of body stability has developed, the hands and fingers begin to work on movements of dexterity and isolation as well as different kinds of grasps.

Children will develop fine motor skills best when they work on a VERTICAL or near vertical surface as much as possible. In particular, the wrist must be in extension. (Bent back in the direction of the hand)

Attach a large piece of drawing paper to the wall. Use a large marker and try the following exercises to develop visual motor skills: Make an outline of a one at a time. Trace over your line from left to right, or from to bottom. Trace each figure at least 10 times . Then have the child draw the figure next to your model several times.

Play connect the dots. Again make sure the child's strokes connect dots from left to right, and from top to bottom.

Work on a chalkboard, using chalk instead of a marker.

Paint at an easel.

Magna Doodle- turn it upside down so that the erasing lever is on the top . Experiment making vertical, horizontal, and parallel lines.

Ocular Motor Control
This refers to the ability of the eyes to work together to follow and hold an object in the line of vision as needed.

Use a flashlight against the ceiling. Have the child lie on his/her back or tummy and visually follow the moving light from left to right, to bottom, and diagonally.

Find hidden pictures in books.

Maze activities.

muppetgirl · 22/12/2009 22:31

ds 5.9

Dress himself (including buttons/zips) yes though does have some occasional help

Bath himself (how is this fine motor?)
Not sure what is meant by this but he can sit in a bath and knows how to clean himself and will do it.

Cut up his food with knife and fork. Can use a knife very well but can't cut with a knife.

Ride a bike. Doesn't want to. (How is this fine motor?)

Thread beads. Probably could though not seen him do it.

I would have an alternative (and more relevant set of criteria;

Can he concentrate for long periods on things he finds interesting? (if he's not interested you can't really judge his fine motor skills by it. Ds isn't into threading beads...)

Can he build lego models? (fine motor skills needed here)

yes it's tongue in cheek but I feel with boys there is a lot of the 'tion's' that need to be taken into condoseration.

Inclination
Motivation
Concentration

DS 1 has reputedly not great fine motor skills at school yet at home he can (since he was just over 1) put keys into locks and turn them to open doors, build the most amzing and intricate lego models refining until he is satisfied it is to what he wants it to be, can build train tracks that go in around and under furniture and can arrange his army soldiers (the very small green ones)into groups of goodies/baddies tightly packed together and not have any problems knocking them over.

He just doesn't want to write, draw, make playdough models, do junk modelling etc. Which is, unfortunately, what he is measured by at school.

Francagoestohollywood · 22/12/2009 22:39

My ds is 7 and a half now:

When he was 5 he could:

Dress himself (including buttons/zips) yes
Bath himself (I doubt many 5 year olds can???) No, I didn't leave me alone to bath himself, he started doing it a few months ago.
Cut up his food with knife and fork no, even now he can't be bothered
Ride a bike yes, he stopped using stabilizers when he was nearly 6 though.
THread beads yes

muppetgirl · 22/12/2009 22:40

heated -great ideas, stress balls also good.

I would say a lot of those ideas ds 1 would see as 'art' based activities and he's wouldn't want to do them, We've written/painted on the dinning room floor, drawn around mummy's/daddy's car to make parking areas and then made parking tickets when daddy parked in the wrong spot, used shaving foam/porridge oats, cornflour etc etc etc but anything that is 'good' for fine motor skills ds finds contrived and doesn't want to do.

He, very much, is self motivated and can be amazing at the things he wants to do but as I said these aren't the things that are measured at school. He has artwork on the walls that he knows isn't great (if I say anything he says 'you think that's good? Really?? Now I just say I'm pleased he had a go) Yet there isn't any mention of the 'art' he can create from his lego. The planning, symmetry, purpose and refining skills don't matter unless it's paint and art straws!

SolidGoldpiginablanket · 22/12/2009 23:56

Thanks so much everyone. I think the questionnaire is basically a completely general one sent out to all kids referred by the SENCO as there are several questions which look to me like assessment for ASD stuff, which DS hasn't got (no sensory issues for instance and no great motor skill problems either). ANd there is a waiting list of about 8 months apparently.

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tispity · 23/12/2009 13:23

Dress himself (including buttons/zips) -yes, as long as i help with with bottom of the zip for difficult/fussy clothes
Bath himself (I doubt many 5 year olds can???) i don't bathe him v often due to skin condition so donno
Cut up his food with knife and fork - yes but we use spoons a lot more
Ride a bike - can with stabilisers
Thread beads - yes, if he must - but not the most interesting thing for many 4 yo boys.

dd could do all this and more a lot earlier

tassisssss · 23/12/2009 13:26

ds is 6.8

dress himself, yes and has for a good few years

bath himself, doesn't tend to but easily could apart from hair whcih I'd help with

cut up food - hopeless at this but we're terrible at just doing it for him!

ride a bike - yes, learned when 5.2

thread beads - can do

gottasmile · 23/12/2009 17:01

My ds turned 6 a few weeks ago.
He can

  • dress himself but still has difficulty with the button on his jeans and is very slow with other buttons.
  • bath himself
  • cut up food, but uses a knife awkwardly
  • ride a bike without stabilisers (has done so for about 8 months)
  • thread beads
Pannacotta · 23/12/2009 17:14

DS1 was 5 this week.
He can

  • dress himself but struggles with buttons.
  • bath himself though I dont trust him with bath bubbles etc (would empty the whole bottle!)
  • cut up his food with knife and fork - but not that well, esp use of knife.
  • ride a bike - with stabilisers.
  • thread beads - that I don't know but he probably could.

He has good fine motor skills (according to his teachers) and can write and is good at eg making cakes and craft things.

HTH

Oblomov · 23/12/2009 17:19

Ds could do all those things at 5. without stabilisers. but his food cutting it still a bit naff.

simpson · 23/12/2009 17:20

DS is 4.4

  • he can dress himself including buttons/zips
  • can bath himself but I put the shampoo on
  • he can cut his food up with knife and fork, but sometimes chooses not to
  • ride a bike - yes with stabilisers
  • thread beads - yes.
ChristmasMoon · 23/12/2009 20:30

Dress himself (including buttons/zips) - Yes often tops are back to front, zips an issue
Bath himself (I doubt many 5 year olds can???)- With supervision, certainly wouldn't let him fill a bath but he can wash himself (not his hair though)
Cut up his food with knife and fork - Yes but badly!
Ride a bike - Yes without stabilisers
THread beads - never tried.

DS is 6 in March.

ChristmasMoon · 23/12/2009 20:31

Oh socks are a major issue in this house too, melt downs over socks are frquent. often comes home from school without them after PE!