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SCREAMING - HELP ME PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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kidbell · 18/03/2003 21:58

Hi everyone sorry to bother you with my problems but I am at the end of my tether. I have a 7 year old girl who grew up with the normal problems but I now have a 2 year old devil boy. It started about a year ago - these terrible tantrums - he just wont stop screaming and I dont mean crying I mean earpiercing screaming where he can just be standing in the middle of a room and start I feel I have tried everything from understanding him, asking whats wrong, ignoring him where he then wants to lash out at me or anything in his way to smacking him but nothing seems to be working please help.

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judetheobscure · 18/03/2003 22:40

Have you got a safe place you can put him and leave him, whilst surreptitiously (I need a spell-checker) making sure he isn't coming to any harm. Ignoring totally behaviours like this is generally accepted as the best route to minimising them although depending on the child it may still take time to eradicate them.

Do you know what sets off the tantrums - without bending over bacwards to him, is there anyway you could head them off in some way - distraction etc.?

My first three were relatively calm but the 4th (now 18 months) has a terrible temper on him but he does calm down now fairly soon after I have left him. One day he may decide it's not worth the bother getting started in the first place.

judetheobscure · 18/03/2003 22:40

Have you got a safe place you can put him and leave him, whilst surreptitiously (I need a spell-checker) making sure he isn't coming to any harm. Ignoring totally behaviours like this is generally accepted as the best route to minimising them although depending on the child it may still take time to eradicate them.

Do you know what sets off the tantrums - without bending over bacwards to him, is there anyway you could head them off in some way - distraction etc.?

My first three were relatively calm but the 4th (now 18 months) has a terrible temper on him but he does calm down now fairly soon after I have left him. One day he may decide it's not worth the bother getting started in the first place.

judetheobscure · 18/03/2003 22:41

sorry - didn't mean to post twice.

kidbell · 20/03/2003 22:05

Thanks Jude but at moment no I dont have anywhere to put him because if I put him in another room he will destroy it so I just walk around ignoring him but he doesnt care and just seems to scream louder

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Furball · 20/03/2003 22:35

Crikey, I could have written the post myself. I'm at the end of my tether. DS 19 months has the last week or so decided at even trivial things like maybe putting on his coat or being put in his high chair, will emit the most ear piercing scream that you've ever heard - Blood curdling, literally. (What the neighbours must think what goes on in our house I don't know) Anyway it's followed quickly by throwing himself onto the floor and banging his forehead against the floor - really hard. He is now sporting bruises and grazes all over his forehead. I've tried walking away, that just fuels him up more.
It can happen 4-5 times a day. I have no idea what the solution is, but hopefully it is a communication thing where he just can't tell me yet what he actually wants.

kidbell · 20/03/2003 22:45

Hi furball I'm really sorry to hear your dilema as I have been going through it for so long now - somtimes I think it is getting better then it seems as if it becomes 10 times worse but you dont realise how happy I am to know that it's not me or my child sometimes I feel like such a failure because I can't stop it - the screaming and the headbanging (with the bruises) are terrible and ds(dont know abbreviations yet) just lashes out but thanks againg for letting me know that there is someone else out there that understands - remember if you find any solutions please please please let me know

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Furball · 20/03/2003 23:03

I will, Surely we can't be the only two with screamers? Help us please someone!

I won'be be around until after the weekend now, so I hope you don't think I'm ignoring you.

Good luck, as I know at times the frustration makes me want to throw myself of the roof (Not literally, but thats how I feel If you get my gist)

judetheobscure · 21/03/2003 01:00

My ds4's worst tantrums are when I have to strap him into the buggy or carseat, or when I get him dressed and undressed, or when I take something away from him. He doesn't actually bang his head on things but does throw himself on the floor and bang his fists (or hit me if I'm close enough). Obviously with the buggy/carseat tantrums they're easy once I've got him strapped in because he know he has lost this particular battle and there's nothing he can do about it. The dressing /undressing one he is fine once I've finished with him although it is hard work getting a kicking and screaming child dressed as I'm sure you know. Which leaves the taking things away one - I leave him on the floor and walk away. Yes he gets louder for a bit but eventually he'll calm down - he may be crying still so then I'll give him a cuddle. It has always been my rule that I keep going, as afar as possible, with what I want to do and ignore the bad behaviour.

kidbell - you're doing the right thing by ignoring him - I'm thinking what I would do if my ds3 was lashing out at things (rather than me). I think I would strap him in the buggy (if it was sturdy enough) or take him to the car and strap him in the carseat. I would warn him first what I was doing and why (even though he might not be able to hear it!) Perhaps reminding him later (at a good time) of why he had to go in the buggy/carseat.

Surely there's some other mums out there who've got some ideas?

(By the way, it sound like I have a little devil child when he is the most sunny happy child most of the time - just doesn't like certain things!)

aloha · 21/03/2003 18:18

My 'solution' (& I do admit that my son has a very calm nature so maybe this isn't very helpful) is to go along with him as much as possible. ie if he really protests about his pushchair I let him walk - very, very slowly- with me. He also likes to push his pushchair while I steer the handles. I find he eventually gets tired and is less miserable about his buggy. If dh and I are out together dh carries him on his shoulders which he loves. If I have only a short journey I will sometimes even carry him (obviously not practical with more than one child) - eg from the car to the shop, let him walk around, walk to next shop, carry back to car. In the car, I always play his favourite music tape (Know all the words!) as this seems to keep him happy in his car seat. When moving from one activity to the next - eg from playing or reading to lunch, I give him a LOT of warning of what I want to do next - eg 'In a minute we are going to have lunch. Mmm yummy lunch. Have to go into the kitchen... for a while before I actually move him. He doesn't much like being yanked from one activity he is enjoying to another. But then I wouldn't, either. And I very rarely take anything away from him. He sometimes goes out waving his toothbrush or my mobile phone. He seems to get bored and I can retrieve them pretty soon. If I have to do it, I give him plenty of notice, offer him something tempting to swap with it, and if that doesn't work, well, there's nothing to do but ignore the tears and carry on. If he seems to be getting frustrated I very often give him something to eat, which seems to distract my little fat boy quite nicely. Also, if he is getting wound up, it is very often because he is tired. My son is only 18months so I may be eating my words in a few months but I much prefer to go to these lengths to avoid conflict if possible. It must be very, very exhausting to manage four tantrums a day and I do feel for you.

judetheobscure · 22/03/2003 00:29

Agree aloha about the warnings - very impt.
Unfortunately, as I have 4 children I can't let mine have the same degree of freedom as your ds so I use a different strategy - and the things I take away from him are usually dangerous things that the others have left lying around - like scissors for example! kidbell - your two are a bit a few years apart aren't they? Do you know why he is tantrumming?

Sabbath · 22/03/2003 20:14

Hello all,
My ds was exactly like that, just after he was one, he used to follow me around all day whinging, used to drive me mad. All I can say is that they do grow out of it, my ds is now 3 and has hardly any at all. It is hard work when you don't know what to do. hope things work out for you.

breeze · 23/03/2003 07:28

With my DS (3.3), he went through this stage luckily for only a few weeks, which him it was a communication thing, he is a good communicator and as soon as he was understood clearly it stopped. I did then go through the stage of him making a noise and me trying to figure out what the hell he was saying, with him getting more annoyed with each incorrect guess I made. In this situation, I was able to just leave him on the floor and walk to another room, saying that I don't think I could of done that if he was head-butting the floor though.

Good Luck

kidbell · 24/03/2003 17:13

Hi all Ive just returned home after a weekend away with my dh it was fantastic. MIL looked after the kids. I cant believe how refreshed i feel ds has had two minor tantrums today but i feel totally unfazed by them it helps when the weather is nice i just put him out in the garden with his toys(poor neighbours) they all have kids too so they understand. Jude when you asked if there is anything that instagates these tantrums i would have to say no because they are so unpredictable. I understand that ignoring him is the best solution and we shouldnt reward bad behaviour with attention but after 15mins of high pitch screaming all i want is for it to stop.Sometimes i feel that my dd (7) is losing out on my attention because i am constantly asking her to wait until i tend to ds and before i know it its bedtime again and i promise tomorrow will be different.DD has such a kind and caring nature that she never complaines. Sorry for going on and on its just this is my saving grace my link to the outside world and today has been a good day sado that i am

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judetheobscure · 29/03/2003 20:57

That must be very difficult if you don't know what causes the tantrum. I would say that if you can find the cause of the tantrum that would (obviously) help you to deal with it. Are you watching him or in the same room when it starts?
Is he a danger to himself or others when he lashes out? Is there anywhere in your house that you could make safe for him?

I think if it were me, as it's been happening for a year now, I would be asking for more expert help. Are there other people who look after him at all and what do they think? What is your health visitor like? Might be worth keeping a diary of the tantrums - see if you can spot any patterns eg. after eating certain foods, or in certain weathers, or after certain TV programs (I'm clutching at straws here). Does he go out much? Could you be thinking about sending him to a pre-school yet to give yourself a couple of mornings break. Perhaps he picks up on your tension (after your weekend away he was better).

Sorry for being so waffly. Just hoping things get better for you soon.

kidbell · 31/03/2003 15:46

Hi jude thanks a million for your suggestions Ive actually started to strap him in his pram as you suggestions on the 18 march (i think) and it seems to be working he soon calms down and ill start a diary as you suggested too again thanks a million please dont go to far away . your advice has been great i suppose its all down to experience and trial and error ill let you know how i get on

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emwi · 01/04/2003 17:05

Just out of interest, did he have tantrums with the MIL?

kidbell · 02/04/2003 15:36

hi emwi mil said that he had 2 mild tantrums. She took his trousers off to let him know he wasnt going out to play in the garden and put him in his cot until he calmed down and after 10 mins he did. I myself tryed this method but didnt work aswell for me and stripping him whenever he takes a tantrum isnt always feasible i didnt want to start something i couldnt see thought till the end. And that really isnt my style anyway.

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SimonHoward · 05/04/2003 09:22

I hate to say this but everytime my DD or my nephew or any of the wifes friends children do something like this when I'm around I usually sit in front of them and scream louder than they do.

Boy does it shut them up quick. Hurts the throat though.

crystaltips · 05/04/2003 10:49

kidbell - have you tried rewarding DD for her good behaviour in fromt of DS? WOuld he understand this message ?

What is his speech like - it sounds to me that he is getting very frustrated and perhaps this is the only way he can "communicate" and get your attention??

kidbell · 05/04/2003 13:02

Hi Simon i had a laugh as this message beleive me i have on more than one occasion but by the end of the day im cutting my nose off to spite my face cos dd goes to bed exhausted and i go to mine with a migraine.

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Dahlia · 05/04/2003 14:19

Kidbell and Furball - wow, do I feel for you - ok, I had exactly the same thing with my dd when she was 2 ish (she is 7 now). She had the most epic tantrums ever - example - went to corner shop for stamps or whatever, and I decided to have some chocolate so she chose a bar and I chose a milky way, and she went completely off her head and in a Damian Omen type voice (possessed by devil in case you don't get the name) she screamed at me to put it back - I had to literally drag her out the shop as I couldn't lift her up and then somehow got her in the car, arms and legs flailing, screaming in this hideous devil voice - I couldn't do up the car seat as she was that hysterical. Eventually got home, put her in her room with the stair gate on the doorframe - she ram raided that with her pushalong horse which then got lobbed down the stairs along with the stairgate, toy beauty parlour and about 47 other large and heavy toys. I then ran into my room, slammed the door shut and phoned my mum, could hardly hear her advice on the phone as dd was ramraiding my door with some heavy implement and screaming wildly and damian-ishly. I was sobbing - completely distraught as this sort of tantrum happened very regularly for no reason. So here goes and please don't anyone go mad, because it flipping well worked. Take child outside, stand them there and tell them if they don't stop you are going to throw cold water on them. They will just carry on screaming, so then you follow it through and you throw or pour a jug of cold tap water over their head. I tell you this, the shock of it will absolutely stop them in their tracks. Clothes can be taken off and dry ones put on. Do it outside so you don't soak your house. Do it fast and mean it, and then tell them firmly that you will do it again if they don't behave. Tell them you are the Mum and you are in charge. They are NOT in charge. Then you turn and walk away so they don't see you start to cry because you will. I had to go in the kitchen and weep because her face was a picture, she just crumpled. Shock, pure and simple. And at the end of the day, she knew she was controlling the situation and deep down she didn't want to. She WANTED me to be in control but she didn't know how to stop herself. I had to do it twice in quick succession that day, I think the first jug made her scream even louder, but the second straight after totally silenced her. And afterwards, I took her back in, changed her clothes, gave her a little cuddle and explained that I couldn't let her behave that way because it was wrong and bad for us both. And she understood, and she NEVER had a tantrum again.
Now, there will be those of you out there who think this is absolutely disgraceful of me, but hey, it worked. Like my Mum said (and she raised 4 decent children), it is non violent, non aggressive, and it is a shock. I tried everything before trying this believe me, I tried ignoring, telling off, shouting, cajoling, shutting in bedroom, screaming back, rational discussion, bribery, and the odd smacked bottom. None of it worked. This did, and on the one occasion about a week later when she started to go into tantrum mode, I just said calmly to her "do you want the water jug?" and she stopped immediately. Simple. And completely effective. And she has been angelic ever since. Of course she carried on having strops, and mild paddies, which are normal, but never a major tantrum.
Sorry this is so long, but I feel for you two, and really hope you can bring yourself to do this, like I say, its not violent or aggressive. Just a shock. And its effective.

fallala · 05/04/2003 19:43

Dahlia, that's a brilliant idea.I don't think it is discraceful at all.
HAs anyone else tried it?

Tortington · 05/04/2003 20:24

i think thats fab

SimonHoward · 05/04/2003 20:28

Never done it to a child but it worked wonders on my mother when she was having a go at me one day when I was a teenager.

kidbell · 05/04/2003 21:26

Dahlia in the last 2mins it took me to read your message ive laughed and cryed. I think its a great suggestion and definetely not a disgrace.( Cant wait till his next relaps) only joking!!!!I laughed cos you said you locked yourself in your room and called your mum crying i do that at least twice a week and the funny thing is ill say mum speak to him ,(hes two). Mums can fix everything cant they.I cryed when you spoke about turning round and walking away when they are all wet and shocked and how unnatural that would feel to me just like it did to you (with the tears) Thanks a million Dahila for the laugh the tears and most of all the great advice

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