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Gina Ford yay or nay?

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Tracy551162 · 18/04/2008 10:49

Just finished reading the Gina Ford Comtented Little Baby book and have to say that everything she says is very logical and makes full sense. She writes and explains everyhting in a very structured way and I found it is very easy to follow.

I am now looking at The Baby Whisperer by Tracy Hogg and I find that book so unstructured and random, but so far she is saying the same as Gina Ford bar the odd bit here and there.

I think I am going to try with the Gina Ford method, but obviously adapting for my and my baby's own needs, and without getting in a flap if I get behind schedule.

Has ayone else read these books or tried to work by them with their babies? Am I completely mad even mentioneing the name Gina Ford? I've had a lot of negative reactions from friends, who say she's a baby nazi - most of them haven't even read the book though.

Thanks.

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Umlellala · 18/04/2008 20:05

Tiktok, amen!

I liked reading Baby Wisdom by Deborah Jackson and Mothers Talking by Naomi Stadlen. Of course, both slightly biased to own views but no instructions, just sharing of lots of ideas (and written by mothers too )

Makingdo · 18/04/2008 20:10

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GreenMonkies · 18/04/2008 21:37

"perhaps this is the problem, if there was better support out there for new mums, some of us wouldnt have turned to a book because i admit thats exactly what i did do, i didnt go looking for it, i just came across it and when i read the structured timetable it as a relief!

I did get support to some degree, but also felt very anxious that i was failing with my baby, so it was still easier for me to look at a book than actually just say, help me. I do believe all the things in the book can and are picked up naturally, but not all of us have faaith in our own instincts, especially first time mums, and those with no family or friends or internet!"

To me this is the problem with GF style books, they prescibe a routine and don't actually encourage mothers to listen to thier instincts. EG; it is instinctive to rock your baby to sleep, but "the books" tell you not to do this, it is instinctive to pick your baby up when it cries (and generally offer it a boob to soothe it) but "the books" tell you not to. And so on.......

When we abdicate our decision making status and give it to a book, particularly one written by someone who has not had thier own children (I used to be a nanny, I do know, now, how different it is when it is your child!) and who has no emotional (and instinctive) connection with your baby, then you run the risk of not being as sensitive to your babys needs etc as you might be if you were listening and allowing yourself to respond from your gut. How many of us were told that "you'll spoil that baby if you keep picking it up" by a midwife/health visitor/MIL etc?

If we are going to read books we need to read ones that help us be the best mother we can be, not ones who tell us exactly what to do when, as, cliche though it may sound like, every baby is different and no two are the same, some sleep, some cat nap, some feed like a starving man, some snack, some like to lie flat, others need to be held upright, and so on, and so on......

And before anyone else says it, YES, I have read it, I've also read "Three in a bed", "Attachment Parenting" (the sears one and the granju one) and "why love matters" and these are far better as they explain why babies do the things they do, what they instinctively expect and offer suggestions of how to meet those needs without becoming a total slave to either the babys demands or a timetable.

Dottydot · 18/04/2008 21:46

Tracy - welcome and hope you're still around. I'm a very old MNer and am glad you started this thread because it still needs discussing.

It's a real shame that what happened, happened and I always feel torn, because (deep breath) I really appreciated the GF routine with ds1.

There. I've said it. I'm a MN traitor...

But for us it worked. We lived hundreds of miles away from our families and anyone who had babies/children. Dp got PND and basically we were looking for help.

We GFed ds1 from a fairly early age - a few weeks old - and he and we all took to it really well. I have to say we didn't follow it to the letter - all that stuff about having your tea and toast at 8am or whatever, went out of the window. But the basic stuff about babies needing to have a nap 2 hours after they wake up and then again a few hours after that all worked.

Right. I'll pack my MN bags now...

Have to say it didn't work at all for ds2, because once you've got a toddler and baby then the concept of a routine fades away very quickly!!

HeadFairy · 18/04/2008 21:51

Tracy I hope you're still reading. You'll get a lot of advice and support on here. 7 months ago I was exactly the same as you, I didn't have a clue, and I've got so much help from the ladies on here.

Re: baby gurus.... I have read both gf and th and decided that it all sounded too much like hard work so I didn't follow either. Also most of them required me to be up and dressed far too early for my liking. As it turned out ds likes a lie in in the mornings too!!!

I think on reflection, what I've realised most is that babies are like adults, they're all so different. There aren't any books out there saying that every adult should eat at the same time and go to bed at the same time are there? We all get so hung up that babies should be doing x y and z at the same time, but really they're human like us and just like us sometimes like to go to bed a bit later or wake up a bit earlier, and some times they're really hungry and want a four course meal and sometimes they just want a snack.

Dottydot · 18/04/2008 21:55

i think it's about confidence as well. We were so unsure of ourselves when we had ds1. We were a lot more confident and less nervous about stuff when ds2 came along - and I'd been Mumsnetting for much longer and had access to lots of good advice!

bobsi · 20/04/2008 17:56

GF and Mumsnet rock - I would hate to choose. Both have been a great help to me and continue to be

MilaMae · 20/04/2008 21:02

Hi Tracey-definately a yay from me saved my life-twins then another 15 months later.

To be frank couldn't have got through it all without her. I had noooo idea what newborns were like and have to say the 1st 6 months were a time in which I needed all the help I could get. The result was 3 very contented babies and very happy contented parents who could cope well with all that early parenthood throws at you.Previous to this we were pulling our hair out as we were clueless!!!!!!!!

We are all different personalities so also different types of mums, it isn't a one size fits all. Don't be pressured into mothering in a way that doesn't suit you. Read around go with the book that most suits you or if reading up isn't your bag do your own thing. Either way babies pick up you not parenting the way that suits you, mine certainly did. They were far happier in a routine probably because I was, I am crap with no sleep

Motherhood is a lifelong journey with various different stages,you can't be good at them all(unless you're Miss Perfect)so may need a bit of advice at different stages.Whatever gets you through it IMHO. Books can help. Personally as a primary teacher I think I'll do great during the primary years but will be scouring Mumsnet and book shops again like a mad thing during the teenage years!!!!!!!!

Spidermama · 20/04/2008 21:07

Big NAY here. Nothing would induce me. Nothing. It's my personal belief with no implication that this belief is shared by MN towers or anything, that she's a dangerous loon who should be prevented from peddling these cruel and outdated methods.

sweetkitty · 20/04/2008 21:20

I read her book whilst pregnant with DD1 and even then I didn't like the dictorial style (I guess I'm just not a routine kind of person) or rather I make up my own as I go along.

I think theres a difference between a PFB when all you do is focus on the baby and say a third baby (mine due in July) where she will have to fit into our lives rather than the other way around. Her feeds will fit around the nursery runs/toddler groups/musical minis/playdates etc that we do in a day. I don't know if GF would fit around that.

For us sleep is do whatever you need to do to get the most amount you can for me that will be cosleeping and breastfeeding as and when.

llareggub · 20/04/2008 21:27

I bought GF pre-baby because I was completely clueless about babies and wanted something to tell me what to do. I told lots of people about my plan to GF and have routines and the mothers around me nodded and smiled encouragingly.

When DS was born I realised that he had not read the book and did not want to conform. Besides, he liked to sleep all day and breastfeed all night so DS and GF really weren't compatible at all.

That said, now that he is 18 months we have fallen into a very comfortable routine that has him waking naturally at 6.30am and going to sleep at 7.30pm. During the day he will nap for about 2 hours, either in one go or in short bursts. I'm glad I didn't force him into a routine but I'm also glad that he did evolve into one at around 8 months or so.

scottishmummy · 20/04/2008 21:28

new baby meant to be fun not baby borstal. too regimental,rigid and poker arsed for me.

llareggub · 20/04/2008 21:28

Oh, and without GF I would never have found my way here...

FloridaKbear · 20/04/2008 21:28

who?

misspollysdolly · 20/04/2008 21:42

Nay!

Gina Ford made me cry!

Any book that tells me wehn to get up and what to eat for breakfast - no thanks. DH put it in the wheelie bin!!

Find and trust your instincts - and enjoy your baby

MadameCh0let · 20/04/2008 21:44

Gina ford is madness. Even if you could stick to it for baby one, you CAN't for baby two!!! As baby 1 needs to go to nursery!
Impossible and stupid.

peacelily · 20/04/2008 21:49

Nay, and nay again, babies are individuals and can't be learnt through a "manual". Trying to get a baby to fit into a bootcamp regime will only lead to feelings of inadequacy and guilt.

Chuck away the books and see what other parents have to say.

blithedance · 20/04/2008 22:20

I adopted a 6mth old and found the CLBB was very illuminating reading. I had not the faintest clue what an average baby of that age needed in terms of sleep, feeds etc and it gave us something to get started with which we then adapted to suit him. (could never get those 7am starts!). It was helpful to have an insight into trying to think ahead so baby didn't get too tired/hungry. I don't think it is presented as baby bootcamp, that is cariacaturing it.

Now if I pick up a GF book, I just cringe at the rather matronly tone of it, but that's easy to say now I have 2 years of parenting behind me.

Welcome to Mumsnet, Tracy. It is better than any book.

sweetkitty · 20/04/2008 22:24

Now if you have a baby that came out having read the book that would be good.

What if you have a baby that refuses point blank to be put into any kind of enforced routine?

tiredlady · 20/04/2008 22:53

Tracy, I am a complete newbie to MN too, and at times it feels like joining a new school half way through term. Quite bewildering in my opinion. As for Gina Ford she seems to cater for phsical needs rather than emotional ones. If a baby cried at night because it had done a pooey nappy, GF would of course tell you to get out of bed and change it's nappy. If a baby cried at night because it was scared or lonely and wanted comfort from it's mum, she would tell you to ignore that cry.It all kind of boils down to the fact of whether you believe babies can feel those kind of emotions and whether you can ignore emotional, rather than pysical distress.

pinkyminky · 20/04/2008 22:56

When people say 'it's just common sense' I always think, why don't they just use their own instead paying for someone else's. I read the CLBB because someone showed it me- for a joke I think, and I though it was a bit arcane, TBH. LOved the idea of my boobs emptying of milk like literal 'jugs'. Very strange concept.

milou2 · 20/04/2008 22:59

If it hadn't been for the publicity I wouldn't have heard of mumsnet. I haven't been off it since!

puffling · 20/04/2008 23:10

I bought GF, Babywhisperer and something about crying babies. BW was absolute waffle, all common sense but repetitive and not really informative. I don't know what I'd have done without GF. Thank God there's someone who dares to be prescriptive. If you have any common sense, you can take what you need from GF and then make it work round you.

tiktok · 20/04/2008 23:45

I'm puzzled, puffing.

You want someone to be prescriptive.

What if that prescription doesn't fit your needs or your baby's needs?

Squackycake · 20/04/2008 23:58

Has GF ever posted on here undercover since the broo-har d'ya think?