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How do I help my 5-year-old to socialise?

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imaginaryfriend · 19/01/2008 23:43

My dd seems to be getting more and more shy. She's always struggled socially but at parties would join in a bit with games like musical statues etc. We've been to a lot of parties lately and she seems to spend most of the time sitting as close to me as possible. I've thought about leaving her but she gets hysterical at the prospect and won't go unless I promise I'll stay. In any case I think she's just as shy when she's at school and I'm not there.

Today we went to a really sweet birthday party - just dd and 6 other girls, all from her Reception class, all really lovely girls. I watched her and, no exaggeration, she didn't say a single word the whole time to any of them. Not a word. Not during games, tea, anything. She didn't say hello when we arrived or goodbye when we left. And what worried me even more was that none of the other girls seemed to expect her to, like they're used to her being separate. They all chatted to each other about their dresses, what they were doing etc. and dd sat by herself fiddling around with whatever was at hand.

I understand shyness, being shy myself, but I do wish there was something I could do to help dd. I can't help but feel that the longer she goes without friends, the harder she'll find it to make them.

She does have 2 friends who she sees outside of school who are dds of friends and she's very friendly and chatty with them. We've known them since they were about 3 months old. However if we ever see the 2 friends at the same time dd doesn't even try to play with either of them. It's like she can only do one-on-one play with someone she knows extremely well.

Any tips on confidence building?

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imaginaryfriend · 20/01/2008 21:34

Yes dinny, that's dd to the core. She's very compassionate, actually the most compassionate child her age I've met. I've never known her to be mean to anyone and she gets very upset by meanness.

She's a Libra by the way but I'm a Taurean!!

I like to think too 'her time will come' but being in inner city London with life so tough I hope she doesn't end up a lonely teenaged depressive.

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dinny · 21/01/2008 09:35

did you used to be MLL? am sure we have spoken about our dds before!

yes, dd is also very very kind and has a VERY strong sense of justice! was just redaing your profile (she is v cute btw!) and funnily enough I have a background in philosophy and I always think dd thinks in a v enquiring, philosophical way.

we are moving in a year and a half and am dreading how it will affect dd moving schools but maybe it will suit her (as moving somewhere more remote and smaller school)

imaginaryfriend · 21/01/2008 11:05

Yes I was MLL and we did speak about our dds before.

Dd's sense of justice is very strong too. She can become almost hysterical when things aren't fair. Perhaps that's part of the reluctance to have same-age friends? The rules change a lot in young children's friendships don't they? One minute they're Best Friends, the next they're not. I think dd finds that very hard.

Where are you moving from and to? I think you may find if it's quieter that your dd likes it more.

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dinny · 21/01/2008 11:56

ah, thought so!

I remember thinking even at about 3 and pre-school dd stood apart a lot... it is definitely her nature to be independent.

so agree about the sense of right and wrong - my friend who knows dd really well says give it two years and she will be really really in demand as she is such a fair, kind, bright girl. doesn't help now though! is your dd reception or year 1? now dd is year 1 her teacher says she mixes more and she does have a favourite friend, who is also a kind gentle character. dd can't stand all the bossy ones! remember being the same at school - one girl was horrible and controlled all the (only 7) girls in the class and would say who could and couldn't join in. I distinctly remember thinking "what gives her the right to tell me I can't play?"

as it happens, am still kind of in touch with her and she is so shy and lacking in confidence as an adult - mad. am also sure it has a LOT to do with whether or not they are the eldest...kids with an older sibling are always tougher and louder and bossier...ds (3) is at nursery bit of the school and bosses them all around a fair bit.

we are moving from Surrey to Cornwall.

binkleandflip · 21/01/2008 12:03

my dd is like this too - she is also five and a taurean and I am Libra - spooky!!

imaginaryfriend · 21/01/2008 12:06

dinny, just looking at the picture of your dd leads me to think she's like mine! They don't look alike but they have a similar kind of look to them if that makes sense? Both your kids are gorgeous by the way, really lovely.

Dd's also always stood apart. There are so many occasions I can think of. In toddler groups she'd sit with me and the mums eating fruit and watching the 'children' play (as though she wasn't one of them!), a princess party when she was about 4 - I persuaded her to don a princess dress so she wouldn't be left out. She made me take her 'real' clothes in a bag. I got one photo of her at the party then she came over and whispered 'can I take it off now? It's really scratchy and horrible'. So she stayed in her ordinary clothes. Just many incidents when she prefers to do what she wants rather than what the others are doing. During her first week at school the teacher went round the class asking all the children what their favourite colour was. Every single girl said 'pink' except dd who said 'lilac'. Apparently all the boys said 'blue' except one who said 'purple' - dd's always remembered him!!

It's good in a way and I'm proud of her in a way. But I also think she suffers at this stage as she doesn't have the confidence to 'enjoy' her independent mind. And I think she does get lonely that there's nobody for her to really relate to at school. I also think she gets bored at school.

It's good to hear that Y1 is better for your dd. I'm hoping it will be the same for dd. The more structured work will suit her for sure. She's not that good with 'free time' at school.

Cornwall will be bliss! I'm very envious. I love Cornwall. Where abouts? I am so utterly fed up of London but we're tied here for at least the next 2 years.

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imaginaryfriend · 21/01/2008 12:08

binkle that is spooky! So maybe Librans and Taureans are all shy, somewhat anti-social individuals who quietly want to rule the world?

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binkleandflip · 21/01/2008 12:13

I was very shy at school - I had individual friends who werent friends with each other - but wasnt comfortable in a big group of friends. Now, I suppose people would consider me quite extrovert - and I am - one on one or in a small group but I am still painfully shy is large groups - like a party for example.

I think people who are drawn to deep one on one friendships are probably more interested in other people than those who have lots of acquaintances but dont really invest themselves in those friendships. It isnt a bad trait to have I think.

I want dd to be more outgoing but she is the loudest child in the world with those she feels comfy with and I try my best to accept that is who she is. She is also very kindly, compassionate and caring - as I say I thinkk quieter children tend to invest more emotional interest in others - which is actually quite nice when you think about it.

imaginaryfriend · 21/01/2008 12:21

My dd isn't loud with her close friends, but she is very intense! And she talks non-stop to them, it's like a waterfall of words she's been holding in all day. I have to stand back and hope her friends can cope with all the attention she lavishes on them!

She's also very popular with other mums. Are your girls like that? I often think of her as rather old-fashioned.

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binkleandflip · 21/01/2008 12:23

She is an only child - my friends all think she is wonderful - very polite!! (She isnt quite as angelic at home I must say!)

imaginaryfriend · 21/01/2008 12:26

Same as mine. Whenever they've been on a school trip the parent who's been looking after her tells me she's been wonderfully polite and well-behaved. But yes, at home she's a bit of a diva. I think she has to let off steam somehow though.

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binkleandflip · 21/01/2008 12:26

your dd looks a gorgeous, bright little girl IF, you must be so proud.

oops · 21/01/2008 12:43

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dinny · 21/01/2008 12:47

IF, yes, I thought they had a v similar look about them! my mum always says dd has an intensity and profundity somewhere in her!

so weird about the Taurean thing - my mum is Taurean and totally same as dd - independent and a couple of soul mates. whereas I am Aquarius and need loads of people around me!

I also think of dd as old-fashioned - and I just KNOW she will be vegetarian, she virtually is now (I am veg, dh isn't so kids eat a nit of meat when he is cooking).

I can't really say where am moving too as it would really prob give away too much identity-wise but it is a v small place! are you CAT-able?

binkleandflip · 21/01/2008 12:48

whats with all the zzzz'z?

oops · 21/01/2008 12:55

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binkleandflip · 21/01/2008 12:55

lol

dinny · 21/01/2008 13:06

my ds is a Virgo - and a VERY fussy one!

imaginaryfriend · 21/01/2008 13:20

Hello oops! I thought you were writing with a German accent for a moment there.

dinny, I am cat-able. I was just being nosy, and jealous, about your move to Cornwall.

binkle, your dd looks a little sweetheart too.

I wonder what would happen if we put them all together in a room?

My dd in one corner, dinny's in another, binkle's in the third one, leaving one little corner for oops' ds!

I remember the first ever birthday party I took dd to when she was about 18 months old ... She sat with her back to the room, facing into a corner looking at a touch-and-feel type book!! I should have seen it all coming ...

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dinny · 21/01/2008 14:13

will CAT you, IF, later...

I so remember feeling really upset so many times when dd was younger, she just was loath to do what everyone else was doing and just seemed to observe from the sidelines...

can't tell you how much it helps to know she's not the only one! well done for starting this thread, IF!

TodayToday · 21/01/2008 14:18

My 5 year old Reception age DD is very similar. Knowing her as a bright, funny, sunny, energetic girl with a vast vocabulary it is difficult to watch her struggle in situations that make her anxious.

There is no way to change your DD (and of course we would not wish to) but I do think parents can help teach their children coping skills at the same time as accepting them completely for who they are.

DD seems to have friends at school. She doesn't seem unhappy or have any qualms about going to school each day - although occasionally says her tummy hurts. We now refer to it as her morning school tummy ("the one we all get from time to time which disappears as soon as we're happily playing with our friends" says I breezily to DD!)

Parents Evening revealed that DD doesn't participate in Music and Movement. The teacher holds her hand or lets her sit it out and do something else. She's confident that she will do it in time, when she's ready. Her teacher is wonderful and is keeping an eye on my DD, to ensure her anviety doesn't get out of hand. I could not have asked for a better start to school.

Sadly, we are moving in the summer and I know it is dgoing to be doubly difficult for my DD to integrate into a new school, starting a year later than her classmates.

Some of the things I have started to do....

I talk to her about how lots of people feel apprehensive on the inside but that they act a different way on the outside.

I'm not brusque with her but I also maintain a matter-of-fact sing-songy voice, rather than mollycoddle her.

Worried that her self-esteem could get dented by school or over-anxiousness I'm trying to teach her not to think in black and white terms so that she learns there are often a myriad of reasons for other people's actions, not just the negative, self-focused assumption she might come to make.

We have started some child-orientated yoga and meditation at home which teaches her breathing techniques to get rid of the butterflies in her tummy.

After she has been somewhere new or participated in something she was nervous about, we spend the next few days (matter of factedly again) talking about the positives. I highlight the positives to distract her from the negatives.

We had no joy with ballet or swimming lessons. Swimming was going fine until she moved upt o a class with a dragon teacher who had no rapport with 4 year olds! Ballet was not her thing from day one despite the teacher being wonderful with the age group.

She's started gymnastics recently and Rainbows. I am a parent helper at Rainbows and I think that has helped a lot. Although she won't speak when all eyes are on her, she will join in games and activities. Gymnastics overwhelmed her during the warm-up but she was fine once split into a small group. I know the warm-up and having to answer to a register will continue to worry her enough that she'll try to get out of going to gymnastics. Despite the fact she loves actually doing it. We will persevere.

Parties are a disaster. I think I am going to have to stay with her when she goes to a party next month.

I feel for you. Perhaps we should start our own support group on here. Schools greatly differ in the way they approach this type of child. I do believe they need extra help and should get some of this help through school. I recently learnt of an organisation called the Pyramid Trust. They run nurturing after schoolgroups in schools for children aged 7-9 who need this sort of help. They rely on (trained) volunteers. If you you are still worrying about your DD when she is 7, perhaps you could encourage the school to contact this organisation and run a club at your school.

dinny · 21/01/2008 14:28

TodayToday, wow, what similarities (sorry if am barging in, IF) - good idea about the support group!

I LOATHE parties and can't really bear to stay and watch despite us thinking dd is bright she hasn't exactly excelled that much at school - it just doesn't seem to SUIT her somehow. and, like you, I worry about what our move will do to her confidence

dd started gymnastics this school year and she loves it and I hope it will help her at break time as an alternative to skipping (which she hates). annoyingly our school has no climbing frame, which is something she's really good at, so she feels left out as can't kind of excel at skipping and hates kiss chase. oh, the best thing ever was when her drama teacher (I started her at Stagecoach to try and help her gain some kind of, I don't know, confidence, I suppose) gave her a set of jacks. she plays those at playtime and it seems to keep her not having to sit "looking at my friends the birds waving at me from above"

TodayToday · 21/01/2008 14:50

Did stagecoach bring about any improvement in her confidence?

I worry that DD will end up one of those invisible children. Quiet and well-behaved. She'll work as hard as she needs to but not wanting to draw attention to herself, she's not going to single herself out as remarkeable in anything particular even if she turns out to be. Awful sentence. Sorry. Does that make sense?

imaginaryfriend · 21/01/2008 15:27

Today, how fantastic to read your post. And yours dinny - I think dd is very clever actually, she reads and draws so well at home but at school she does exactly what you say, the bare minimum in order to get by. And she'll never put herself forwards for anything.

I've also tried the out of school activities and I've noticed she likes the ones which don't make her self-conscious / put her on the spot. Ballet was a total disaster, we tried it twice, she just couldn't get into it despite loving music and dancing at home. Gymnastics she seems to love and is always keen to go to. And swimming has been pretty good so far. Singing at Christmas plays is a nightmare even though she knows the words, on the day she's like a startled rabbit in the headlights. With so many outgoing children in the class I worry that the teacher will never notice what she can do. And dd will never sing her own praises. When I ask her how she's done in, say, handwriting she always says 'so-so'. It drives me crazy!!!

I wanted to ask you guys what your children are like with confidence. Do they tend to underplay their abilities?

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HonoriaGlossop · 21/01/2008 15:43

I just wanted to say that I think reception age is very young - their confidence will increase as they get older. Even some kids who end up quite extrovert, can be lacking in confidence at this stage.

I would keep on encouraging at home, keep a 'watching brief' basically but I wouldn't DO much at this stage personally other than to ensure the teacher is enabling them to achieve in a way that suits them, eg in one to one conversation rather than having to stick their hand up in front of the group.

Also it's quite young for them to thrive at activities and groups; if they don't LOVE it, they don't need to go IMO.

My ds has a swimming lesson once a week, and that's it - that's all he wants to do. We have given him tasters of other things but he hasn't wanted to pursue it. I'm sure he will - I'm thinking maybe at 7 or 8.