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I feel bemused why DS friends mum tested his handwriting ability at playdate!

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frecklyspeckly · 17/01/2008 22:56

My ds started school on september and is 5. He has made one friend who is like a special pal, although he is rather boisterous and we have been gently notified by teacher his immaturity can make my son copy it and she is trying to keep them apart in lessons. We have had a lot of positive feedback onmy sons behaviour but we do not broadcast this to any other parents (because its irrelevent to anyone but us!) Friends mum is a bit insecure in my private opininon, u know, obsessive questioning about what reading book my ds is on on a daily basis.Her son was misbehaving last week at school and she said she asked the teacher how my son had been that day to which the teachersaid she could not discuss other children. Good on her!!

I accompanied him to friends house for tea tonight and after tea friends mum announced she was going to play a little game. She said she was the teacher and got the kids to write their names and draw pictures. Now undoubtedly her child was better(not that i no it makes any difference her child is neater at the age of 5)!! I am just sad and mortified that anyone would exploit this situation like she did because i could see her asessing, identifying and comparing the two kids abilities. My ds was so proud of his beautiful scribbly picture whilst she ignored it and praised her childs beautiful (bloody boringly perfect)pic. I wonder if she has been planning this playdate for some time for this purpose and it makes me feel like my ds has been used to make her son look good and her feel better. I actually feel like its put me off going back, iyswim??
Does anyone understand this or am i being rather paranoid?? she was honestly pushing and ordering thecrayons into the two boys hands, on a mission!! Why cant people just be nice without an ulterior motive??(by the way i prob wont check this thread till tomorrow but pleas will someone reply i feel crap about this (THanxx)

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Eliza2 · 18/01/2008 09:35

I feel myself coming over all Xenia here and saying that some of these mothers who are so anxious about their children's performance in relation to their friends' need to get jobs and throw their competitiveness into their own careers.

Sometimes I have a friend's son over to play with my son and, if she's away on work and the children have a spelling test the next morning, I'll do spelling practice with them both because I know my friend won't get back in time and I'd have to do it with my daughter anyway. I feel bad if her son doesn't get them all right the next day.

theITgirl · 18/01/2008 09:41

TortoiseSHELL - I used to do the same, especially on Thursdays (test on Friday). But so did my other 2 friends and we all knew our sons were at roughly the same stage and it meant that we didn't have to do them on the walk up to school on Fridays

SSSandy2 · 18/01/2008 09:44

yes but you are all jsut normal, sitting them down together to get their homework done because otherwise there'd be no time for it.

Weird is giving them some kind of test so you can get off on praising your dc to the skies and making the other dc and mum feel strange. That is just whacko behaviour. She's a nut

mrsgboring · 18/01/2008 09:51

Agreed she sounds a loon, but she could just be a misguided one rather than a mad scheming competitive one. Picture this, she may well know that the teacher thinks her DS is a bad influence on your DS and feel paranoid about it. She wants to convince you she's not a crap mother so she puts on this big show of supporting their schoolwork and she thinks this pushy parenting is helping/the right thing to do.

Breathe and let her relax and she may surprise you yet.

And if she is a loon and your DS wants to be friends with hers, then you can give the poor little boy a break when he comes to yours and try to encourage some games to tke them both away from the competition.

2GIRLS · 18/01/2008 10:09

Yes she definitely sounds bit wierd, but I wonder how my kids do at school in relation to others. But I wouldn't dream of doing anything like that in front of another parent, I'd leave it 'til she wasn't there

tortoiseSHELL · 18/01/2008 11:13

Is it possible she wasn't trying to 'show off' her child, but isn't a very relaxed parent, and this is the sort of thing she does with her child, so was trying to be a good host? If she's fairly anxious anyway, I could believe that she wouldn't realise the way it would look. And we play teachers and schools the whole time. Ds1 and dd are always playing 'teachers', and if her ds is an only child, then maybe she always has to be the teacher.

Ime, first time reception parents are very uptight about how their children are doing. I now avoid most conversation about school work, although by Y2 it's only the MOST competitive mums who actually care.

cory · 18/01/2008 13:23

Sounds clear that she is trying to show off her son and she's an insecure loon.

But I wouldn't make your ds drop his friendship because of that. It's his life and the other boy's- up to them to decide what they want.

Also, insecure parents can (and do!) change over the years. I've known a few who were unbearable during the first 5 or 6 years, constantly competing and comparing- and who were then quietly put in their place by their offspring who had realised that this wasn't doing their street cred a lot of good. Obviously, the best chance of this happening is if her son gets a chance to have a social life.

If your ds hasn't noticed what's going on, don't make a fuss; if he does, then make a little joke out of how the two of you know the other mum is just to be ignored.

phlossie · 18/01/2008 14:59

You're not being paranoid - I totally understand where you're coming from! I had someone in my antenatal group who was a total competitive mum and used to make me feel like a sh*te mother and made out mine was a difficult baby. We lost touch over time, and recently got back in touch. Now I'm more confident I can see that, like your ds's friend's mum, she's really insecure and that's why she constantly compares.
This woman clearly picked something she knew her boy was good at to make her feel better. Just try and avoid her. Unfortunately, when your dc's get old enough to pick their own friends you have to put up with their parents!
Sounds like the teacher is on to her too.
You could try putting a Charles Dickens book in his bag next time her goes to tea, or dropping into conversation that he reads Shakespeare's sonnets before bed every night?

EffiePerine · 18/01/2008 15:01

LOL at testing times tables. There are some seriously strange people out there...

helenhismadwife · 18/01/2008 22:10

what a sad insecure woman she must be

normajean · 18/01/2008 22:45

She's a nutter, must have a inferiority complex.

critterjitter · 18/01/2008 23:20

I've heard it all now.

Clary · 18/01/2008 23:35

freckly she sounds completely bananas.

This is not normal behaviour and yes it sounds as though she is aware her DS is falling down in the behaviour stakes so feels the need to show off his other skills to you ... very odd.

Ellisa · 19/01/2008 09:48

I'd say teacher's told her that school have noticed he's immature for his age, & she's trying to prove he's not. Now she can go back & tell teacher 'No Johnny's not immature, when he & Jack did drawing & writing at my house, Johnny's was much better than Jack's!'

Of course, teacher will then think 'Aha, now I can see the source of your son's immaturity'. And explain that all children develop at different rates, yes Johnny does lovely writing & concentrates well on his drawing but still wants the teachers to get his coat, pout it on him, do the zip up, take his hat out & put it on his head... or whatever the teacher has observd as a concrete example of why she feels he is immature.

tortoiseSHELL · 19/01/2008 12:50

Or perhaps teacher has mentioned one or two problems/issues in class, and she is very anxious and trying to see what the teacher means?

Dynamicnanny · 19/01/2008 15:14

tw@t - her not you

LIZS · 19/01/2008 15:22

Perhaps she often plays that "game" with her ds to get him to practice ? Odd

mumofhelen · 19/01/2008 18:56

Does anyone understand this? Yes. am i being rather paranoid? No.
Why can't people just be nice without an ulterior motive? I ask myself this question every day.

There is one mother in particular who was like this with my family, and this is how I fixed it: go along with it and come Christmas, give them a big hamper. (I spent £45). Even the mother admitted the present was "overly generous." I've haven't had a repeat preformance of her unacceptable behaviour since. If it involves a reciprocal action which involves money, these types won't go along with it because in order to 'beat' you or 'outperform' you, they would need to spend even more money. And she can't hardly say to people "oh, I don't want them around again because they gave our family an overly generous hamper."

Examples of this woman's past behaviour: The Tests
She gave my dd a paint brush and asked her if she knew had to paint brush strokes.
The pencil and paper test as you described.
The going to the park and asking my daughter whether she could climb the "huge" frame. My daughter could. Her daughter could not and dd and I were promptly asked to go back home because they had somewhere to go to.
The table manners test: Asking my daughter, "what do you say when you want to leave the table?"
The toilet test: "oh Helen, can you use the toilet? Do you want to show me how?"
"I've got a skipping rope in my hand, can you skip?"
"Do you want to play catch? Do you know how to throw a ball" (dd says yes and throws ball). "Can you catch the ball?" (dd says yes, and catches the ball). The words in quotation marks are what the mother actually said.

Now, I know what some of you are saying/thinking, "but she's only being friendly, she's playing with your dd, what's wrong with that?" The thing is, all play is very short lived. For example, the ball game. When dd threw and caught the ball once, this other mother decided try something else. In other words, once my dd demonstrated whether or not she could do the skill, the 'game' or play promptly stops.

I ended up having to do the hamper thing because although I was polite, my dd was begining to say things to the mother and daughter in a really sarcastic tone of voice, "can you do this? can you do that? Let's play 'can you draw?'"

Then there's:
the search through the bag, look at the labels on the clothes dd is wearing, asking about dd routine; what dd eats, what sports dd plays and then testing them.

Another confession: I thought the whole thing was hilarious. I sat on her sofa, reading my book with a cup of tea and biscuit and left her to it!

lljkk · 19/01/2008 19:12

What Tortoiseshell said.
I'm a cynical old bat but I can't believe she did it just to be competitive (especially since you were right there). More likely she's just over-enthused about helping her own child's learning along.

normajean · 20/01/2008 16:30

mumofhelen, good for you the nutter! some people are so competitive, and your dd handeled it like a dream! to freckly, just let her make a complete fool of her self, you can handle the crazy lady, plus gotta feel sorry for her child imagine what its like to have her as a mother, Gawd!

mumofhelen · 20/01/2008 17:51

I know how it feels to be the child because my mum was like that. Always checking out what other children could or could not do. We all knew what was happening and yes, it was embarrassing. I remember my mum saying things like, "Antonia can do it, why can't you?".
It can also be isolating for the child. If every parent avoids the family, it's not very nice.
I have every sympathy for the OP. I have the good fortune that my child does not go to the same school as the other child.
Sometimes in life you have to search hard to find the funny side of an unpleasant situation, especially if it's out of your control.

Ineedacleaner · 21/01/2008 14:29

I agree with the posters that said they don't think it was competative just misguided.

She has most probably been talked to by the teacher about her ds immaturity and I think this is probably the root of her actions.

I think she is either trying to show herself and possibly you that he is not immature some parents don't seem to get the immature term as being emotional rather than developmentally in reading, writing, drawing whatever.
Or she is in a rather misguided way trying to stop him feeling crap at being told off at school boost his confidence a bit by praising him for things at home.

I think she probably needs more pity than scorn.

colditz · 21/01/2008 14:33

Madness.

You should have been in the other room, drinking coffee and agonising over whether to finish the biscuits while the boys played lego, not sitting next to them agonising about their writing, their self esteem and the friendships!

frecklyspeckly · 27/01/2008 22:30

most of the time that is exactly what i do with him if we visit someone colditz but i had no tbeen round there before and did notknow she wasgoing tobe like that. But i know now what she had a bee in her bonnet about. They had an assembly where they held up pictures they had painted !! My ds one looked exactly the same as everyone elses(shall we say , not quite anatomically correct?? ) ha ha ha!!

She kept her son off that day, why i dont know.. poor little kid.. but i am meeting some of the other mums now...just in the yard though, no more playdates planned !by year 6 perhaps will meet someone vaguely ok (him i mean not me)

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