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Is too much exposure to Disney princesses bad for a lttle girl?

264 replies

Shitemum · 13/12/2007 00:12

Trivial compared to some of the other threads in this topic, I know, but need to know if I should just indulge 4 yo DD1's princess phase or if I'm setting her up for a lifetime of waiting for her 'true love' to arrive on a white charger and whisk her off to 'happily ever after' (yeah, right).
Going to bed now but am genuinely interested in your replies!

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deaconblue · 13/12/2007 12:27

Why not buy her Babette Cole's marvellous book "princess Smartypants". A fabulous "feminist" and very funny fairy tale. A real antedote to Disney nonsense

Hulababy · 13/12/2007 12:40

I think everyone analyses it way too much. I honestly cannot imagine my parents ever worrying about stuff like this!

They are stories, make believe characters. None of it is real!

And using UQD's link - part Jasmine, part Cinderella here

blueshoes · 13/12/2007 13:05

Disney princesses are a marketing godsend for Disney. Makes them millions and millions.

They got this stable of cartoons based on fairy tales. So some clever marketing person goes - how can I milk these existing characters for even more money, without having to go through the risk and expense of another movie?

Ta-da - disney princesses. Every little girls' dream to be one. The stories behind each have largely become irrelevant.

My dd can recognise Belle, but not know the story behind it, Disney-fied and all. I myself have only a tenuous grasp of the princesses' names and which fairytale from which they originate.

Is it bad for girls? It makes me uncomfortable, tbh. It is very seductive, the notion of a handsome prince (who no one can ever remember the name of, does he have one) who rescues the BEAUTIFUL princess from her spell or predicament, who never did anything worthy except be born to royalty status and is young and blessed with good looks. I somehow link it to the shallow celebrity culture that is endemic in the media.

Surely there is something better my dd could aspire to? I don't prevent dd from playing with the dolls and merchandise and even bought a few tokens on occasion (shudder). But the marketing is very clever and insidious. My dd, who is not naturalltt a girly girl, is now very aware of the brand if only because her friends and cousin loves it.

WideWebWitch · 13/12/2007 13:19

Good post blueshoes, I agree. And Hula, we KNOW it's not REAL but it does matter to some of us nevertheless for reasons already explained.

lol at 'she could go and get a job' good idea, will do that

Anna, but she's beautiful that's the main point made about Cinderella. Her beauty is her passport to another life. Of inherited wealth and monarchy. Oh god, can feel myself about to rant, gotta go out in a minute, must go and put some make up on and straighten my hair, school play beckons! (I see the irony)

OComeOLIVEfaithfOIL · 13/12/2007 13:19

I am Pocahontas (sp?) on that link

Anna8888 · 13/12/2007 13:22

WWW - Cinderella is beautiful once the fairy godmother has dressed her up but that is not her only trait (or maybe it is in the Disney version, but definitely not in the original).

cherryredretrochick · 13/12/2007 13:29

This argument may be essentially pointless, but us mums need a diversion from the real important issues sometimes too.

blueshoes · 13/12/2007 13:36

Am I right to say that aside from 'Disney princesses', Barbie have also cashed in on the act and come up with 'Barbie princesses'?

At least they are honest and do away with the whole pretence of the fairy tale, which is superfluous, to the fluffy dream of being a girl, beautiful, young, titled and rescued by a (nameless) prince.

Anchovy · 13/12/2007 13:50

I have a 4 year old DD, who is as smart and feisty as they come. I dislike Disney Princesses intensely and they offend my world view on every single level - passive female role models; emphasis on physical attraction; shallow one-dimensional good/evil portrayal; man as answer for all problems; pervasive brand extension; inappropriate saturation marketing (disney Princess pull-ups FFS); pinkness; tacky nylon dressing up clothes etc etc.

I do think the pysychology/social history behind fairy stories is very interesting but I categorically deny that being a "princess" is a necessary and inevitable developmental and evolutionary phase for a small girl, and am a bit pissed off that we are being "merchandised" this as an idea. It certainly wasn't the case in the 60's when I was growing up. Where and when did this happen?

I did a thread asking for alternative books and had a fantastic response see here fellow DP refuseniks

Anna8888 · 13/12/2007 13:54

Anchovy - didn't you have Ladybird books in the 1960s?

Princess and the Pea
Sleeping Beauty
Rapunzel
Cinderella

etc

Now I think those books are incredibly dull compared to the beautifully illustrated fairy tales of today. But they are engraved in my memory nonetheless.

ItWasOnlyAWintersTellus · 13/12/2007 13:57

I rather like the old ladybird books.

I was certainly raised on Cinderella et al.

Anna8888 · 13/12/2007 14:00

Can I ask for this thread's opinion on Dora the Explorer?

I have never ever gone near Dora, because, from a distance, it looks horrible. Are my uninformed prejudices justified?

Fennel · 13/12/2007 14:00

I'd agree with Anchovy and WWW, the Disney princesses are offensive on so many levels. Including the whole issue of a royal family and hereditary social hierarchy, which I'm not too keen on either. Even feisty princesses aren't very republican in spirit

my 3 dds aren't very princess-oriented, they love fantasy play, we have lots of pirates and witches and talking animals, and a few faries. You can have a vivid imagination and still bypass the synthetic passive princesses.

Hulababy · 13/12/2007 14:03

I had all the fairy stories too when I was little - born early 70s. And I remember watching films of these characters too. We didn't have Disney princess dresses, but we still got dressed up in pretty (or rather guady second hand stuff) dresses, plastic heals, and pretended to be princesses, or brides, or fairies. My sister, born early 80s had more access to them too and I remember her having even more of the filsm inc the Disney ones. Have things really changed that much, other than the dresses being more accessible to get hold of?

But I don't see that it has affected me or my sister adversely in anyway. Maybe I am still a bit of a romantic and like the idea of "happily ever after" - but is that such a wrong thing to like?

OComeOLIVEfaithfOIL · 13/12/2007 14:04

oh god, you are all so worthy

it is a bit of dressing up and role play, not a cult!

Hulababy · 13/12/2007 14:04

Anna8888 - in what way horrible? My DD loved Dora when she was younger, as do most of the little girls of 2-4 I know. The Dora character is just alittle girl who goes on adventures with her best friend, Boots the monkey, in tow. I really can't see there is much to be offended by in it.

Anna8888 · 13/12/2007 14:07

I didn't have any nice dressing up clothes when I was little . My daughter has some lovely - and definitely not tacky - ones though.

However, I adored acting and being on stage and played a princess on more than one occasion - in particular when I was about 8 and was in a play about the young Anne Boleyn. My mother turned a particularly unfortunate pair of 1970s orange curtains into an Elizabethan dress .

Sigh.

Anna8888 · 13/12/2007 14:08

Hulababy - I think the Dora cartoon drawings are really ugly so I just avoid it.

Anchovy · 13/12/2007 14:08

Ooh, yes, Fennel, I'd forgotten the fact that they offend my egaliterian sensibilities as well.

I did have the Ladybird books Anna888 refers to when I was a child. But that was all they were - short books telling well known stories in a straightforward way. I did not have a Princess & the Pea drinky cup/umbrella/ pull-ups (marketing opportunity missed by Disney, I feel LOL). They were not a big deal and although I probably played Princesses a few times (or possibly not - I was sandwiched between 2 brothers) I did not spend 2-3 years of my life surrounded by branded pink items and sparkles encouraging me to think I should be a princess.

(For the record, I think I liked "Mrs Pepperpot" and Richard Scarry books better at that age).

bozza · 13/12/2007 14:10

Anna I had those ladybird books (in the 70s ) and have bought DD one or two. The princess in the pea springs to mind, which I bought in a nostalgic mood for DD's last stocking. That princess is soooo pathetic, and the prince is not much better.

I am apparently a Cinderella - and never complain. Ha, wonder what DH would make of that....

Anna8888 · 13/12/2007 14:11

Anchovy - OK, so you did have princess stories/fairy tales. I was a bit worried for a moment .

I completely agree on all the gross merchandise there is around - vile, tasteless, useless and of course we as parents do not have to buy it for our children and, if they are given it, we can dispose of it. End of story.

cherryredretrochick · 13/12/2007 14:11

Dora is a fantastic role model for a child, teaches them that there is adventure everywhere and to have fun. Also she is a little girl not a soppy passive woman/teenager as all the others.

OComeOLIVEfaithfOIL · 13/12/2007 14:12

oh yes, Mrs Pepperpot! Loved those

I can't stand Dora, mainly for them singing find the map find the map find the map find the map about 25 times

bozza · 13/12/2007 14:14

anchovy you do get character pull ups... or did when DS was in them 3 or 4 years ago.

Our favourite dressing up thing was an old net petticoat of my Mums that we all thought was beautiful.

RudolphtheBluenosesaintdeer · 13/12/2007 14:16

lmao at this thread

How i longed to run away and live in Care Bear Land when i was little ...