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DS (4) is off to bed with no dinner..... long

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Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 18:47

I think I did the right thing but still feel guilty.

For the last couple of months DS has often been too busy to come to the table to eat. Some days he comes on the first request or after finishing his picture or whatever he is in the middle of. Other days, he need to be asked several times and joins us when we are halfway through our main course. Then he proceeds to eat reasonable quantities but of course finishes long after us.
Yesterday lunchtime was particularly bad. We got home from an outing and DD was really hungry and DS went up to his bedroom to play even though I said lunch would be ready as soon as hands were washed. About four times during the meal that DD and I were enjoying together, I popped upstairs to tell him we were eating and ask him to come to the table. The final time, I said, we're nearly finished so if you don't come now, lunch will be over. By the time he came down, we had finished and I had cleared up. He went up to his room to sulk for a bit and then we did some gardening together while DD napped and the day went on its usual course. We even played make believe picnic with sand, earth and cut grass. Not once did he request food. I brought out squash at one point when I was thirsty.
In the bath, when I said he could do x (can't remember what) after bath, he said 'But I want my dinner straight after bath, I'm hungry, I didn't have any lunch' so they had their meal straight away. He ate more than usual.

Today after we got in from school, same thing. This time I said - dinner will be ready in 15 mins and set the timer to ring. He was too busy in his room to come. I got DD started and went to ask him again. 'I don't want any dinner'. While DD was still eating he came down and played in the living room, which communicates with the kitchen and chatted to us whilst playing. After I had cleared up after DD, he came into the kitchen 'I'm ready for my dinner now'. I told him, 'I'm sorry, dinner is over now. You can play for 10 minutes and then it'll be bed time.' He started to go into meltdown but fortunately DH arrived home from work and DS remembered he needed help with the train circuit he was building so they went off for that. They didn't have time to finish before bedtime. A couple of times whilst getting ready for bed he said 'I wanted to have dinner before going to bed' but he didn't say he was hungry and was more bothered by the fact the train circuit wasn't complete.

I feel sure he would have eaten a normal dinner if I had agreed to serve him just after DDs meal was finished, but this is a home not a restaurant. At 4 it is not to much to expect him to come to table when the food is ready (give or take a few minutes), is it? I don't force them to eat if they don't want to. But I feel that he needs to learn that everything cannot revolve what he wants. Or am I cruel?

On the plus side, I am thankful to have a child who is sooo into his playing.

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zippitippitoes · 15/03/2007 20:57

thats what i suggest

get him to lay the table as his job

and any other tasks

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 21:02

Getting him involved in setting the table might help. I will try that although I suspect he will say 'I'm too busy building a Lego castle'.

He did respond really well to a star chart when we had some getting up after we had put him to bed issues last year. And for once, it would be acceptable to use food as a reward eg, "come to the table when I ask for a whole week and you get to choose what Sunday night's dinner will be."

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PeachyClair · 15/03/2007 21:03

My boys love to lay the table- one gets drinks, the other cutlery (DS1, ds2 takes forever LOL)- even DS3, nion verbal and asd, can put a sauce bottle on table and likes to do it.

I would try and find dome routine breaker before dinner, perhaps lego has to be away regardless 15 minutes before so that he knows even if he doesn't eat or join you then he won't be having fun playing either. There's a huge difference between suitting playing and sitting alone, that might be enough.

And if he doen't have dinner on a few occasions you will rpobably see his sleep suffer- probably not a good thing! Although a glass of milk before bed would make up a lot of shortfall without him knowing.

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 21:03

He used to love help prepare the food when he was 2 and early 3!

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Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 21:08

Yes, toys away is another idea to try. But I am reluctant to tidy away his constructions when he hasn't finished playing with them, they are so precious to him. It would really seem like a punishment to him. This would be more of a stick than a carrot.

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Fillyjonk · 15/03/2007 21:08

I think def avoid power struggle

but there is an underlying problem here, surely. WHY isn't he coming to the table to eat?

I don't insist anyone comes to the table to eat. I do, however, involve the kids in preparing meals, laying the table etc. Also we have a low table (toddler height) in the kitchen which we sometimes eat at.

My kids have never, not once, decided not to come to the table. Sometimes they will come and not eat but...they always come and chat.

I dunno, power struggles over food=bad IMO.

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 21:12

"WHY isn't he coming to the table to eat? "

I think he is genuinely too busy with what he is doing and not starving enough to think about food until a time which no longer fits in with the rest of the family.

It's like holding in a wee until you're bursting because you're on an interesting thread on Mumsnet!

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FrannyandZooey · 15/03/2007 21:16

Yes I don't think it is odd or worrying that he doesn't want to come to the table

ds (nearly 4) is often like this, for exactly the same reasons - Lego Extravaganza, etc

I do insist and because he is fairly malleable I have not had the same issue. But if he was a more stubborn / less biddable type of personality I could imagine it being nearly impossible to achieve without huge power struggle

edam · 15/03/2007 21:24

I don't know why you are going up and asking him and then returning without him. I drag ds downstairs if he won't come after several attempts at persuasion (he's four in July). I don't have another child to worry about but you are leaving his sister on her own while you go up and ask him anyway.

I have the problem that the kitchen is on a different floor to a sitting room so kind of similar to you having to get them down from upstairs.

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 21:27

Thanks, FandZ. He is very stubborn. Once he sulked for 15 minutes in the bathroom because he did not want to get dressed. I was prepared to help.

Our stairs are wooden. I would end up having him taken into care if I dragged him down them!

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edam · 15/03/2007 21:30

Oh, I don't actually drag him, but I do physically pick him up and carry him! (Even though he's a real bruiser and it is actually a struggle for me to carry him at all).

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 21:30

Besides, I'm against dragging him if it is not a matter of safety. It's a bit humiliating for both of us.

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FrannyandZooey · 15/03/2007 21:33

I think it is an ok, and fairly straightforward discipline technique, to learn consequences of ignoring meal times, at this age

but I would be trying to work with him if at all possible, by discussion / trading, as mentioned earlier, rather than teaching him in what is after all a rather punitive way, that it is not a good idea

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 21:35

I repeat: "I cannot carry him down the stairs when he is struggling, and even if I could, I cannot make him sit at the table".

The main reason for this thread was to not feel guilty about him going to bed on an empty stomach and to get some new ideas for encouraging him to come to the table.

I no longer feel guilty. And I've got some new ideas to try should this current tactic not work. Thanks for all your help!

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FrannyandZooey · 15/03/2007 21:36

Yes, I meant that letting him find out he will be hungry if he has no dinner, is vaguely punitive

I know you are not going to drag him.

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 21:38

I knew what you meant. It was a crossed post.

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FrannyandZooey · 15/03/2007 21:39

sorry

hope it improves, anyway

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 21:40

That's ok. I didn't take any offence.

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suedonim · 15/03/2007 21:43

Personally, coming to the table is a non-negotiable for me and even though I'm not that large would have no trouble tucking a 4yo under my arm and carrying him/her there.

But I acknowledge that my way is not your way so I'm thinking that taking the coming-to-the-table bit out of the equation might make life easier for you. How about instigating a 'family get-together' (or whatever you want to call it) around the hour or so of meal time? Part of the time will include sitting at the table but it's not the only thing. Perhaps ds can have specific toys or activities that he/you only do at this time, in the kitchen or wherever you eat. Taking the focus off the table/food will remove some of the heat from the situation.

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 21:46

Didn't want to offend you either Franny. You have been extremely supportive.

I was responding to Edam. I have to be careful with carrying them. When DS was 2.6 and DD was 9 months I carried them both down the stairs at once and then ended up at the doctors (with both in tow) because I couldn't stand up straight. DH was away on business for the week.

Our young, not bad looking doctor gave me a massage which really helped and when DH got home, DS told him 'Mummy took her top off and the Doctor caressed her'!

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FrannyandZooey · 15/03/2007 21:47

S'ok, I like fighting the losing corner

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 21:49

It's getting late over here so I'm off to bed. I hope DS doesn't wake me up for a midnight feast!

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CountTo10 · 15/03/2007 21:57

It's hard. I believe firmly in boundaries and rules and children sticking to them but I also have experienced being dragged to a table as well as being made to sit at a table for hours on end in front of a bowl of food I couldn't eat and neither made me any more able to do what was expected. It is important that children respect that they are being asked to do something so they should do it and that food does not grow on trees so they should be eat it but being too ott on either can cause further probs down the line. I think what you're doing is perfect. By having a timer and telling him that if he has not sat at the table by the time it goes off will result in him not having the meal shows him that you are in control of the situation and not him. His tummy will soon start explaining to him that 15mins away from his toys is a lot better than not eating and then he will see that his toys are still there. The key is you have to show him who is the adult and who makes the rules - and that is you the parent and not him!!!!

overtherainbow · 15/03/2007 23:11

my Ds(7) is like this - i also have a dd1(5) and dd2(2).
I don't really like having little helpers at mealtimes as it causes too many arguments.
I only put the food, etc. on the table once all children are there. I then tell them all if they sit nicely and try their best to eat what they feel is enough we will all play a game together afterwards. Usually they will try to be the first to finish so they can then choose the game. It usually works 7/10 times!!

Othersideofthechannel · 16/03/2007 06:06

Overtherainbow, great to know I'm not alone.

My DS has a perfectly healthy attitude towards food and conversation when he finally makes it to the table.

At the moment, it would be so unfair on my DD who is also 2 to make her wait the amount of time it requires to get DS to the table. She is usually hungry and also getting tired and ready for her nap.

But when she is older, if we haven't resolved the issue, or if it crops up again, I will try the team spirit idea.

It is now 7am, DS's usual waking up time and we haven't heard from him during the night. So looks like it didn't disturb his sleep.

Oh, here he comes....

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