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DS (4) is off to bed with no dinner..... long

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Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 18:47

I think I did the right thing but still feel guilty.

For the last couple of months DS has often been too busy to come to the table to eat. Some days he comes on the first request or after finishing his picture or whatever he is in the middle of. Other days, he need to be asked several times and joins us when we are halfway through our main course. Then he proceeds to eat reasonable quantities but of course finishes long after us.
Yesterday lunchtime was particularly bad. We got home from an outing and DD was really hungry and DS went up to his bedroom to play even though I said lunch would be ready as soon as hands were washed. About four times during the meal that DD and I were enjoying together, I popped upstairs to tell him we were eating and ask him to come to the table. The final time, I said, we're nearly finished so if you don't come now, lunch will be over. By the time he came down, we had finished and I had cleared up. He went up to his room to sulk for a bit and then we did some gardening together while DD napped and the day went on its usual course. We even played make believe picnic with sand, earth and cut grass. Not once did he request food. I brought out squash at one point when I was thirsty.
In the bath, when I said he could do x (can't remember what) after bath, he said 'But I want my dinner straight after bath, I'm hungry, I didn't have any lunch' so they had their meal straight away. He ate more than usual.

Today after we got in from school, same thing. This time I said - dinner will be ready in 15 mins and set the timer to ring. He was too busy in his room to come. I got DD started and went to ask him again. 'I don't want any dinner'. While DD was still eating he came down and played in the living room, which communicates with the kitchen and chatted to us whilst playing. After I had cleared up after DD, he came into the kitchen 'I'm ready for my dinner now'. I told him, 'I'm sorry, dinner is over now. You can play for 10 minutes and then it'll be bed time.' He started to go into meltdown but fortunately DH arrived home from work and DS remembered he needed help with the train circuit he was building so they went off for that. They didn't have time to finish before bedtime. A couple of times whilst getting ready for bed he said 'I wanted to have dinner before going to bed' but he didn't say he was hungry and was more bothered by the fact the train circuit wasn't complete.

I feel sure he would have eaten a normal dinner if I had agreed to serve him just after DDs meal was finished, but this is a home not a restaurant. At 4 it is not to much to expect him to come to table when the food is ready (give or take a few minutes), is it? I don't force them to eat if they don't want to. But I feel that he needs to learn that everything cannot revolve what he wants. Or am I cruel?

On the plus side, I am thankful to have a child who is sooo into his playing.

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duvet · 15/03/2007 19:59

Yeah I see where you're coming from, could you not say if you don't come within the next 5 mins/by the time the beeper goes off then they'll be no dinner? give him a warning beforehand then follow thru as you have done.

hana · 15/03/2007 20:02

of course its not too much to expect him to come to the table when the food is ready. I would have done same

ScottishThistle · 15/03/2007 20:03

Have you tried telling him, ok dinner's on the table but 10mins before it is?

You may be lucky & he may just arrive at the table tomorrow night as he didn't enjoy going to bed without dinner.

FrannyandZooey · 15/03/2007 20:04

I would personally insist he came to sit down at the table with the rest of the family. This may sound odd after the last thread we were on together about being relaxed about food, but I think it is good manners to come and sit down at the table even if you don't want to eat then and there. I wouldn't make him sit for ages if he didn't want to eat - that's up to him - but 5 or 10 mins or so and then if he wants to get down without eating, then the meal is over for him.

Themis · 15/03/2007 20:16

I think you may physically have to bring him to the table - I dont mean kicking and screaming , but by going to him, putting down the toys he is playing with and take him by the hand and lead him to the table.

tracyk · 15/03/2007 20:24

I'm sure your consistency will win. I would have given in and given some food before bed. But you stuck to your guns -so I'm sure he'll get the message.
Maybe next time he asks for something important close to a meal - you could say no! ie ds:I want help with my train track - you:well I want you to come and sit with us as a family! so if you come and sit with us - I'll help you.

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 20:30

"Yeah I see where you're coming from, could you not say if you don't come within the next 5 mins/by the time the beeper goes off then they'll be no dinner? give him a warning beforehand then follow thru as you have done."

I'm already using the timer to tell him when dinner is ready. However, until the last couple of days hadn't thought about not giving dinner, mainly because he did come to the table about 10 mins after everyone else. It just sort of happened naturally yesterday at lunchtime because he delayed too long. I guess after a few more mealtimes like this, the threat will be effective.

FandZ, I completely agree with you about it being good manners to come to the table. This thread is about trying to motivate him to come and sit with us. I cannot carry him down the stairs when he is struggling, and even if I could, I cannot make him sit at the table. Many times when he says 'I'm not hungry' I have said, you don't have to eat, just come and talk to us for five minutes, and he has always come, stayed well beyond the timer ringing and eaten a decent amount.

I am concerned for his little sister. It is not fair on her nor a very good example for me to be popping out of the room during mealtimes while I try to motivate DS to come to the table. I don't want this to turn into attention seeking behaviour from DS.

Anyway not many replies so far (only a few brave individuals made it through the original post!) but at least no one thinks it is cruel.

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Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 20:31

"putting down the toys he is playing with and take him by the hand and lead him to the table"

If I try to do this when he has his mind set against it, it would end up with dragging a kicking screaming child...

Gotta go and cut DH's hair. Back soon.

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indiajane · 15/03/2007 20:35

Def not cruel imo. I do agree with fanny though - if you went upstairs to him and got him to actually look at you so you got his full attention and then told him to at least sit at the table, would he do it?

I'm forever having to go and get my children out of their bedrooms - selective deafness I'm afraid.

FrannyandZooey · 15/03/2007 20:40

Sorry Otherside, I had misread the situation. I didn't realise you were seeking ways to get him to come and sit down.

Erm, can you do some clever negotiating? Is there something he likes to do but you don't often allow, or approve of? Can you trade off (ie bribe) that you personally will play x / allow y z / whatever is important to HIM more often if he will agree to YOUR rule about coming to sit down, initially at first, whenever it is a meal time? Explain about "family rules" and how they benefit everybody in the family. Give examples of things that other people in the family do for him, (eg giving him lifts to football, washing his clothes) which they might not really enjoy doing, because as a family you all work together. Any hope something like this might have an effect?

(and yes fully agree how wonderful he is so focused on his play )

Themis · 15/03/2007 20:40

I do think that you have to be quite insistant with him about coming to the table . He is 4 yrs old and you are the parent , I dont think there is any motivation to be done .

Does he do other things when you ask him ?

what part does your DH play in this , does he help get him to the table ?

fruitful · 15/03/2007 20:40

Our rule is that everyone comes to the table at the beginning of the meal and stays until we're all finished (even if 'finished' for some means they chose not to eat anything). If dd (4) said she didn't want to come I'd give her the choice of sitting at the table or sitting on the stairs. Because the rule is we all sit at the table. If she physically wouldn't do it we'd start sanctions (no tv etc). Am I mean?

Maybe you could tell him its dinner time in 5 minutes, then tell him its dinner time now, and that if he isn't down in another 5 minutes there will be no food. And then leave him to it. And stick with it till he gets the message.

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 20:40

I'm doing that already. And leaving 2 yr old sister at the table on a standard chair (she's better at escaping than Houdini, we gave up on the high chair and booster seat many moons ago) surrounded by food, cutlery and other potentially hazardous items

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Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 20:40

I mean going into his room and looking him in the eye.

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fruitful · 15/03/2007 20:42

The motivation in this house is "I am the Mummy and the children obey me". It is good for children to learn about authority isn't it?

Themis · 15/03/2007 20:43

I agree with fruitful .

FrannyandZooey · 15/03/2007 20:45

No I am going to back up Otherside here

she is not the authoritarian type, obviously

I think it is reasonable for a 4 year old who is very busy with Some Important Lego to not see the point of coming to sit down at the table

and short of dragging him screaming she is going to have to be more inventive and subtle

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 20:46

"Maybe you could tell him its dinner time in 5 minutes, then tell him its dinner time now, and that if he isn't down in another 5 minutes there will be no food. And then leave him to it. And stick with it till he gets the message."

Yes, think I will choose this policy and stick with it. I just wanted reassurance that this was reasonable. And you've given it, thanks everyone.

DH does help entice him to the table when he is around but that's only at weekends as he is home too late to eat with the kids in the week.

Breakfast is never a problem. DS always wants it as soon as he gets up. Until about 2 weeks ago I wasn't even allowed to remove his nighttime nappy until he'd had breakfast. Then all by himself he figured out breakfast is much nicer when you're not sitting in your own wee!

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FrannyandZooey · 15/03/2007 20:46

because NO I don't think it is good for children or anyone to unquestioningly obey authority at all times

and I am surprised that anyone else does

hana · 15/03/2007 20:47

if your son continues - in that you don't find any confrontational way to get him to the table to sit down for however long, his sister is going to copy. No good ideas that might be helpful., I'm in the other camp. hope you can move forward on this one though

ScottishThistle · 15/03/2007 20:47

Have you tried a reward system?

Themis · 15/03/2007 20:50

It is reasonaable and understandable that children will get engrossed in an activity that they dont want to stop , but sometimes they do have to do what an adult tells them to do.

Its not a one off , it appears to have be going on for some months.

I wish you luck in getting him to the table , I have no more advice to give.

traceyn · 15/03/2007 20:50

Do you have a set time for Dinner, get him to tell you when the little hand points to five o'clock.

Could you get him to be Mummy's little helper and givehim a little job to do ?.

My little girl loves to help make lunch, shes 2 1/2, girls may be different though.

puddle · 15/03/2007 20:56

I would try and get him involved 10 mins before you're about to have the meal by setting the table, getting drinks etc. Once he's in the kitchen it'll be easier to get him to the table. Perhaps reward him for helping with a special story afterwards or a game with you before bed?

My two are keener to get to the table if daddy promises one of his stories over dinner - they love to hear about what he got up to when he was little.

Othersideofthechannel · 15/03/2007 20:57

"I am the Mummy and the children obey me".

On certain points I agree with this which is why I think it is time to make a stand on this. But to be honest, Franney is right, I have never managed to 'make' my children obey me in ways that aren't inventive and subtle. If I can't remove the problem (eg removing a toy that is being abused) distraction has always worked better for me.

Neither of them will stay on the 'naughty step'. I don't know how to keep a child in time out when you have another one to deal with. After saying something like 'please stop xxxing' I tend to just say 'I don't want to be with you when you are like this' and go and pointedly have lots of fun with the other one by which time the misbehaving one usually decides that what we are up to is far more fun than xxxing.

I don't see myself as soft, I can be very stubborn when it comes to a power struggle such as this one we are having about coming to the table. I just find it easier to avoid the power struggles if poss.

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