Manchester area - single jabs instead of MMR?

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Just that really. We've chosen to go down the single jabs route for DD who is 12 months old. DR's incredibly unhelpful and unwilling to even discuss this, just telling us we have to get the MMR.

Has anyone got single jabs in the Manchester/North West area and can recommend somewhere to take DD?

Bump..Anyone?!

I would try posting on the local board for Manchester.

The company (merick?) that made the mumps vaccine no longer do it. It's impossible to get all three single on this country anymore. You can get measles and rubella vaccines singularly though

Why don't you want the MMR, given that all the evidence is in its favour?

My LO had the MMR last year. All was fine, no side effects, not even irritability and she had the 12 & 13 months jabs together. All other jabs had made her a bit unsettled, but not the MMR. I was very worried at the time but i was assured that as long as she is healthy there is no reason to worry. All kids have them, ( almost )

My brother is autistic, DH's brother is autistic and so is DH's sister. Far too much autism in the family.

Both MIL and DM convinced autism came on after vaccines.

I don't personally believe that the MMR causes autism...I just think it's more likely that if you have a gene set up which just needs 'turning on' so to speak, then the MMR is a risk.

I would probably give her the MMR booster when she is a lot older, but at 12 months and still a baby, I feel it's too much all in one go.

The 'link' between autism and MMR has been comprehensively debunked - in addition there is no possible way in which a gene for autism could be 'switched on' by an immunisation jab. It is not impossible that autistic-type behaviours may start to be exhibited at a similar age to when the MMR is administered, but there is no causal link.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that at all. I have my own brother to prove it, and also DH has his siblings. There are far too many cases out there where children's personalities have changed overnight - literally. It's crap to say it's just a coincidence imo.

Sorry, but you don't have to believe it. Literally every piece of research that's been done (and there's a lot) has demonstrated that there is no conceivable link. Anecdotal correlation isn't the same thing.

Well, I didn't come on here to get into the whole MMR debate! I was asking if there were any clinics I could go to get separate jabs.

I'm pretty sure if you told any parent whose child has been affected by the MMR jab that there is no conceivable link, you'd get a flaming!

But thanks for your scientific input

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that at all. I have my own brother to prove it, and also DH has his siblings. There are far too many cases out there where children's personalities have changed overnight - literally. It's crap to say it's just a coincidence imo.

FFS why do some people continue to insist that their own very limited anecdotal evidence trumps the opinion of scientists who have done massive studies and actually know what the fuck they're talking about. It's about as sensible as saying "I know two people who fell over after taking an aspirin so I'm not going to touch that dangerous stuff".

And yes, there are people who insist there is a link despite all evidence to the contrary. And I'm sorry that their personal sadness leads them to so desperately seek an explanation. But they can flame away, because their unscientific anti MMR ranting is actually DANGEROUS.

Well, you believe what you want to believe. Two very nasty comments off you there.

I'm not saying I'm not vaccinating, I'm saying I'm not happy to inject my daughter with the MMR - and as her mother, I have that right.

In ten years time, you might be eating your words. MMR is political, not medical.

I have crossed the road, repeatedly, without getting run over. This means that, anecdotally, cars can't run you over. However, people get run over all the time, it has been proved that being run over happens. There is evidence for this. My own experience is not evidence - it is a story - an anecdote.

The link between the MMR that was found years ago, it turned out was from a scientist who had been paid by someone whose interests it was in to find a link (can't remember the details - maybe a drug manufacturer?).

As a mother it is totally your choice, but there is no evidence to support the link (and I agree, just because they haven't found it doesn't mean they won't - they used to prescribe cigarettes for a cough lol).

Personally for me, if it's a choice between no jab at all, and having the MMR, I'd have it. We were at that position just after the outbreak of measles in Wales (where very few children had been vaccinated due to the aforementioned faulty evidence). Children were dying then so it was a no brainer for us!

Sorry I can't help you though, just felt someone should be a bit nicer about it! As a mum you always have to do what YOU feel is right, and I support your right to question what you are told by everyone, including professionals!

if your concerned why don't you consider following a delayed vaccine scedual, quit popularin the US as many feel that it's too many jabs at once that is more of an issue.

I think you'll find some information on this on DrSears website.

I did this to a certain extent with both mine, I refused to let them give all jabs at once with DS as when DD had hers they where stress out more anyway.

To be honest, the guy who came up with the link, not really that bothered about. Our family already had their concerns/reservations way before he came on the scene..we literally just all nodded and went hmm hmm when it all blew up.

We are going to get the jabs separately, so she will be covered (well, measles and rubella. The fact that the mumps isn't available as a single vaccine in this country really annoys me, it's totally a political move)

Thank you for being a lot nicer! I wish I'd not brought up my personal reason now for not wanting to go down that route!

Thanks MigGril will have a look, do definitely want to space them out.

In ten years time, you might be eating your words. MMR is political, not medical

Please remove the tinfoil hat.

It is not currently possible to get a single mumps vaccine in the UK. It is not known whether this situation will change as the mumps vaccines produced other manufacturers are not licensed in the UK.

You could easily get her vaccinated against measles and rubella, but leave her at risk of catching and then transmitting mumps to others who are unable (rather than have chosen not to) to be vaccinated. Mumps is not a disease to be shrugged off. It can have serious complications such as:

Infection of other organ systems
Mumps viral infections in adolescent and adult males carry an up to 30% risk that the testes may become infected (orchitis or epididymitis), which can be quite painful; about half of these infections result in testicular atrophy, and in rare cases sterility can follow.
Spontaneous abortion in about 27% of cases during the first trimester of pregnancy.
Mild forms of meningitis in up to 10% of cases (40% of cases occur without parotid swelling)
Oophoritis (inflammation of ovaries) in about 5% of adolescent and adult females, but fertility is affected in almost half of these 5%.
Pancreatitis in about 4% of cases, manifesting as abdominal pain and vomiting
Encephalitis (very rare, and fatal in about 1% of the cases when it occurs)
Profound (91 dB or more) but rare sensorineural hearing loss, uni- or bilateral. Acute unilateral deafness occurs in about 0.005% of cases.

While these may not concern you unduly as your dd is 12 months old, there will be teenagers and adults who cannot be immunised who mumps poses much more of a risk to.

I'm not sure that I follow your argument of MMR being political rather than medical.

In answer to your question about where you could get your child vaccinated, a simple Google will be sufficient. May I urge you make your decisions and get her immunised as soon as possible as the incidence of mumps peaks in late winter and spring.

It's political in that...

If the government just wanted people to get their kids vaccinated either through the MMR or single jabs, then it would make both options available to parents.

The very fact that you can't get the single mumps jab in this country says to me that the MMR is a political hot potato. Why is this govt forcing people to have the MMR or leave your child unvaccinated against mumps? Incidentally, my brother had mumps as a child and I never caught it (I wasn't vaccinated against mumps) so I'm thinking the risk of her catching mumps is probably low and one I'm willing to take.

If a simple google search had been sufficient, I wouldn't have come on here asking for help would I?

DorothyParker You clearly have (luckily) no cause to worry about the MMR or it's possible effects. As such, why don't you leave this thread. You've made your viewpoint perfectly clear.

Why on earth should the NHS, which we all pay for, offer different vaccines just to give people "choice" when there is no link between the MMR and autism? The NHS bases its use of drugs on three things: safety, effectiveness and cost. The MMR is safe. It is effective. And it is cost-effective. There is therefore absolutely no need to provide an alternative just because some parents choose not to trust the science which has proven repeatedly on a world-wide basis that the MMR is safe and works.

IMO there was no need to introduce the MMR. 3 single vaccines worked just fine.

OP, anti vax stances on here usually get a very hard time.

I don't know what the answer is for you, but I think you could have the two separate jabs now and when you are ready, get the MMR.

Is there an age you would be ok giving it to your dd?